Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

Sonny678

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119290878#Comment_119290878

That is the worry alright. It would be similar to kildare you can see same with kildare. But there would be difference.

Glen Ryan is the manager, has a presence of authority. They all kind look up to him, Earley Rainbow Doyle because he was their captain. And Ryan has experience managing Longford seniors and kildare U21 to All Ireland final. Flynn doesn't have that. It would make more sense for Brennan to be manager, in that be has experience at very high level of club football with Crokes reaching All Ireland club senior final this year.

Flynn Geraghty Giles would be hugely respected and our all time heroes in Meaths, worshiped as players deservedly so. But the issues you mentioned above are a major concern and major worry. You are 100% right that could be a big problem.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119283988#Comment_119283988

Sums up the type of lads often involved in GAA. Always wanting to look the hard man rather than actually be hard.

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119290878#Comment_119290878

Yes I agree and I'd argue that there is the same problem in Kildare at the moment as well.

Bass Reeves

For Fitzmaurice to take the Meath job there would have to be some package available. With virtually all intercounty games in the first six months of the year it would nearly be incompatible with any teaching job. Maybe if he only travelled one day a week, but with championship and later stages of the league unless Meath reached the AI semi's there season would be over in June.

I would imagine he would need to take a career break from teaching for a few years. Along with his punditry work for RTE he must be earning 100k. Allowing for accomodation and travelling you need to be looking at a 150k+ package

MacDanger

Let's say it was 150k/year for Eamon Fitz and say he has a pretty successful 4 year stint (gets to D1 next year and stays up the following 3 years; 1 Leinster and an AI semi-final) - would people consider that level of success and the interest generated by it would be worth 600k (less whatever you'd pay an alternative local manager)?

For me, it probably would be worth it if you were fairly sure of the success BUT there's no guarantee of that success so I think the money would be better invested in strengthening the underage & club scene in Meath

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292073#Comment_119292073

.Meath and Kildare's biggest problems is they have done nothing about there football coaching and training structures for the last fifteen+ years. Admittedly the money pumped into Dublin structures has not helped them.

Flynn et al are a generation away from most of the modern football managers. Neither do they have a history of team management not to mind successful team management.

The only advantage of Fitzmaurice or any outside fairly professional manager ( or a player from the late noughties) is they will know the modern structures need to be competitive whether they can be successful or not. Fitzmaurice's skill would be to put structures in place at all intercounty levels that could bring the county back to the fore.

While 6-800 k might seem a lit of money you have to factor in that he may make the county more attractive for sponsor ship

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292014#Comment_119292014

Get the helicopter, like Paidi did with Westmeath....

Sonny678

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292073#Comment_119292073

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292912#Comment_119292912

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292151#Comment_119292151

Some excellent points made above. Its always fascinating to hear what people think outside county. Yes the logistics money etc its all issue. Outside managers seem to be in vogue again if they ever went out. Rory Gallagher in Derry, Davy Fitzgerald went to Wexford, Henry Shefflin to Galway. Our neighbours kildare have tried Mick O Dwyer, Kieran McGeeney and Jack O Connor. Offaly have John Maughan and their hurlers had Kevin Fennelly. Laois have had 2 kerry men recently Quirke and Surgrue. Westmeath had Paudi and O Flathera. And of course Micky Harte is in louth.Banty was Meaths only fray into an outside manager appointment.

Regards helicopter the Football men and football ladies sponsors both have helicopter and hurling sponsors are involved in property. Something could be put together. And most counties have private donors for outside manager. I think that could be possible here, but I don't know exactly how they would put together an outside managers package.

Anyway it's looks like it's between Bernard Flynn and Eamon Fitzmaurice but McDermott cannot still be ruled out. Eamon Fitzmaurice has attended 2 interviews. But how it works out we will have to see. It might be early next week before we hear anything, but we should hear news on who is new Meath manager by Friday.

Sonny678

Rumours going around tonight last minute candidate like Mick o Dowd in 2013 who in 2013 no one knew had gone for even interview. Former Meath senior selector and former Meath minor, U20 and U21 manager Barry Callaghan name as next manager is doing rounds. Has Fitzmaurice negotiations collapsed??? There seems to be issues with Flynn and what happened with U20 last year. Hopefully they can still get Fitzmaurice over the line.

kirk.

Is Mickey Harte canavan and oisin mconville gone now for the championship ?

I'd way prefer to watch them over rte

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119295571#Comment_119295571

No, Sky are still showing the SF and Final as well as RTE.

BaywatchHQ

I bet the middle aged Derry fans have booked tomorrow off work to go up in their attic to decide which jersey from the 90s to wear to the game.

A lot of Derry people are actually off work next week for the 12th holidays. If Derry win there could be a lot of drama in towns because the unionists won't want the Derry flags up. Some unionists are hating this Derry success as there have been a lot of comments on social media. To be fair though I hated Northern Ireland being in Euro 2016, I couldn't bring myself to watch a second of their games.

600k over 4 years for a manager. That's into the hand too. Incredible nonsense. Is that what he would be paid or is that for his entire setup?

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304394#Comment_119304394

I think I remember a story from a few years ago where a village in NI did a quick turnaround from having unionists paraphernalia up for a Saturday Apprentice Boys parade to having the Tyrone GAA paraphernalia up for a semi final on the Sunday.

callaway92

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304440#Comment_119304440

Generally that would include full setup

Manager chooses (with his backroom staff) what Fitness Analysis products/services they use, what Performance Analysis Products/Services they use

Manager, in agreement with the County Board would agree rates for other Backroom staff too then

A common thing for a Manager to say when I speak to them is 'Ok, so I've budgeted x amount per match for Analysis' etc.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304449#Comment_119304449

any excuse to put up some flegs

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304394#Comment_119304394

Sure with your BIG at the same Euros, why would you have need to watch the GAWA and their cretinous supporters?

Poor wee craturs, them men of orange. What happened to this shared space bull they have been spouting every June and July since the Fleg protests began?

Sonny678

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119304440#Comment_119304440

A new Meath sponsor supposedly will pay most cost of appointing someone like Fitzmaurice. And even if Meath go for internal manager, stay in the county, his management team is going to be pricey also.

Here is an article from local Meath website on developments they have heard about next Meath manager.

https://meathlive.net/2022/07/07/exclusive-2-fitzmaurice-may-join-flynn-ticket/

Local Meath new website above mentions Bernard Flynn wants Eamon Fitzmaurice as coach. As it says Fitzmaurice is interested in the Meath managerial job. All the signs last few week it was between Flynn and Fitzmaurice. Doesn’t mean they will get it, but thats being the talk in the county. For last 3 weeks I have heard Fitzmaurice is interested in Meath job. The article says they hear Robbie Brennan is no longer part of Flynn’s management team. I personally have heard nothing about Flynn and Fitzmaurice management team together, but that both are interested in the job on their own. A new Meath sponsor supposedly will pay most cost of appointing someone like Fitzmaurice. All the interviews are done. You would have expected decision by now, maybe there was a hitch at start of week. Maybe Flynn and Fitzmaurice are going together like Dooher/Lohan or Declan Bonner with Stephen Rochford in Donegal. I have heard nothing about Flynn and Fitzmaurice together, but the above article mentions this. Thats very interesting at this stage. We should hear something tonight tomorrow or early next week. But I hope its Fitzmaurice on his own. For me that would be the best choice, but it is interesting the article says Flynn wants Fitzmaurice and him to work together. Watch this space.

dobman88

James McCarthy is taking part in this clip, I couldn't spot Con.

https://twitter.com/DubGAAOfficial/status/1545088530409455618?t=kvtoPW-S3HrTi-Z_qPPR9Q&s=19

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119305248#Comment_119305248

I cannot see Fitzmaurice coming in unless he has the complete say. There is no upside in just being Coach. If you are involved in any management situation you need people you can trust and have confidence in. Coming in as a number two to someone you never dealt with before is not any option

blowitupref

65k the expected attendance for the two games in Croke Park this week.

If Saturdays Derry v Galway game was a stand alone instead of having the Tailteann Cup played along side it the attendance would likely be 35 to 40k

Must be the lowest attendance for a Dublin v Kerry championship game in Croke park for a number of years. The cost of inflation kicking in.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306047#Comment_119306047

That and having games every fortnight. Daft.

Charles Babbage

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306047#Comment_119306047

There are enough more or less millionaires in Dublin to fill Croke Park, they just don't want to go.

Fattybojangles

By God Fitzmaurice has some job ahead if he takes the Meath job they are absolutely chronic bad I don't think they've ever been as bad in my lifetime.

As for the attendances playing every 2 weeks and the wider cost of living crisis really starting to bite the GAA should be offering discounted tickets to get people in but they'd never do that of course.

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306065#Comment_119306065

Yep, whoever decided to condense the entire champo with no replays is a moron (or comittee of morons). I really miss the older schedule, it’s like the championship is an inconvenience where the meat of its been squeezed mostly into June and July. (May and April don’t feel like championship months it’s a summer tournament).

I get it’s for the clubs but it’s poxy. Is there any chance it will revert back even closer to the longer schedule?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307557#Comment_119307557

Monaghan and Tyrone, two First Division teams went out of the Championship on the 4th of June and will not play again for seven months. Will players commit to that in the future?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307557#Comment_119307557

It may be tinkered with but it will not change back. The problem is you would have to go back to a split IC season. You are back again to county managers refusing to release county players, arranging team holidays during April and county executive 's afraid to challenge them.

As for the replay BS,. next year every team will have three round robin games and you will have peliminary QF for 2nd and 3rd placed team.

Replays would be the end of the championship for most winning teams with a 7-8 day turnaround to next match.

For yourself start to follow your local club

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307754#Comment_119307754

Believe it or not players are delighted with it. There whole year is no longer dominated by there IC scheduled. It's now 7-8 months rather than 9-10. They can schedule family events during The club season. If there club season ends early they have a couple of months of freedom

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307557#Comment_119307557

Calling them morons is harsh.

The championship schedule has been a topic of hot debate for years.

A championship running from early May to late September with 3 weeks to a month between games for some teams was not ideal either.

And as for the no replays, have people already forgotten all the "Grab All Association" tropes when games finished level?

I'm not a fan of the condensed schedule, but I'm not going to blame anyone for trying it either.

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307888#Comment_119307888

As somebody who fell in love with Football after the Dublin v meath 1991 replay saga, I can’t get on board with no replays, even with a round robin. Like Armagh v Galway being decided on penos, it’s a terrible way to end such obsorbing games and a real shame people won’t get to see another great game. Replays usually involve close games that everybody wants to see. Round robins don’t make the game anymore exciting , certainly as an alternative to replays.

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307918#Comment_119307918

I don’t know anybody who liked the idea of changing the championship calendar so radically and cancelling replays. Maybe hardcore club men love it, maybe some players do aswell and maybe it’s because me and my friends aren’t as involved in our clubs as we were when younger, but I could never see how it was going to enhance the tournament. It’s a pile of sh*t like this, maybe that’s just me but I can’t see how anybody thought it would be a success in that format.