Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307923#Comment_119307923

The problem with replays at playoff stages is that there will be two weeks between rounds

The winning team involved in a replay will be out three Sundays in a row. They will not win the third Sunday unless in a miss match.

After whining over the need for replays the next whining would be the need for a rest period.

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307958#Comment_119307958

Meath played a game nearly every week on the way to the 1991 final. Let them whine, don’t change the entire calendar because it doesn’t suit some teams.

How hard is it for teams to play a game every 7 days? They have to do it at club level, particularly in Dublin where it’s fairly intense. Thems the breaks in sport, some of the rules suit some teams some of the time and other times it doesn’t but everybody has to deal with the same rules at the start of the tournament , get on with it.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307944#Comment_119307944

Clubs were being strangled to death by the IC season. County boards could not put in place championship fixtures. They still needed to finish competitions not involving county players by early July in most counties other than those that could be fairly sure they would be still be involved.

The championship of the weaker code in a county could be started before the stronger code finished or the game fixed for the Saturday after the county team exited.

Most of the whining and whinging going on is by Pundits, some journalists and people who only attend IC games.

At club level previous to this the training season started in a January and could could end up it going on all year long. Now it starts in mid March and players know when championship starts and can arrange holidays around this

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307923#Comment_119307923

Replays are great in a romantic sort of way and I loved the Limerick vs Tipp 3 in a row but they were neighbours like Dublin and Meath.

Imagine Kerry and Donegal had to do 4 games on the road. Limerick vs Galway cost me 70 tickets/travel + food and drink so I can understand people not being happy to walk away from that with no resolution.

Pussyhands

It's so wrong for the finals to be in July. They should be in September.

Also worth remembering that the world cup should be on now so it's going to be competing directly with the world cup in future.

Then you'll have the euros every 4 years too. People going on holidays.

MacDanger

I think it's worth waiting until we complete the entire calendar before complaining about it. The club championship should be greatly improved by it (altough I'm not sure why Mayo are waiting until Sept to start ours) and I think most GAA fans will appreciate that

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308086#Comment_119308086

I don't see why September really makes a difference except for "that's how it always was so that's best" old man shouting at cloud stuff.

Going back to September means running the club game without the intercounty players because what was happening the club players (who are the vast majority of players) was a load of sht.

We haven't even got to the club championship yet and all change is written off.

Dr. Bre

If cork had beaten Dublin the attendance at cork Kerry this weekend wouldn’t have been great . Maybe 40k?

Fattybojangles

This arguement that its great for the clubs doesn't really hold water most counties haven't even started their club championship yet? Why not? We're told we have to cut back the intercounty championship rush it all off in a few weeks to benefit the club game and championships yet they're all waiting till August/September to start anyway like they would have before. The intercounty championship should be given priority it is the main event after all.

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308329#Comment_119308329

There's just too many games for a player to play both county and club.

StupidLikeAFox

Replays provide great drama on the day for fans but it's a disaster from a scheduling perspective and not fair on the players. It's at semi final now, so if there were a couple of replays then one team would be a lot more worn out than the other which is not what you want for. We already had the scenario in the super 8s, where teams coming through the qualifiers had 4 or 5 games played in quick succession whereas the stronger provincial winners had a few weeks off and were fresh as daisies.

I'm looking back at the scheduling here and picked 1997, which was disrupted by kildare and Meath playing 3 games (2 replays) in leinster. Offaly won leinster by 8pts that year, playing meath who had played Kildarex3 and Dublin already. Kerry won the all ireland that year after playing just 4 games: 29th June, 20th July, 24th August and 28th September. It's mental to have the season that spread out

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308515#Comment_119308515

The scheduling is going to be a lot worse next year and especially for the Ulster teams.

Ulster

QF, SF and Final v tough teams and potentially a preliminary round too.

The team that loses in the final will be 2nd seed, so expected to finish 2nd in the round robin. That means they need to play

R1, R2, R3 of the round robin and then a play off for the quarter finals.

Then a QF, SF, Final of the AI.

That's 10 games for an Ulster team.

Ulster teams who want to win the AI will now play at LEAST 9, with a maximum of 11 games.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308612#Comment_119308612

And don't get me started on the round robin.

Higgins5473

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308086#Comment_119308086

I don’t think major sporting events, euros, world cups etc, interfere with the GAA championship. Just adds to the list of what to watch. July Vs September thing I’ve no real opinion on, I’d watch or go to games either way, no real nostalgia feeling for me with September either.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308673#Comment_119308673

The soccer, rugby, tennis, Tour de France are always waiting in the long grass if you ask some GAA fans.

I saw a documentary about North Mon in Cork from back in the 90s and a coach is worried that tennis and basketball are gonna to lure away all the kids.

I don't think there is any actual stats that back up a drop in GAA during a World Cup.

Swaine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119292151#Comment_119292151

Don't talk sh1te about things you know nothing about. Kildare's record at minor/u17 and u21/20 level over the last 15 years is excellent and there's very good work being done at underage in this county. Problem is playing moneybags Dublin every year in their own back yard and getting duly hammered turns lads off once they get to senior level. They go travelling and generally are not going to give the commitment when the lads up the road are handed every advantage, and who can blame them.

Blaming Meath and Kildare is a cop out, no one wants to discuss the blatent bias the GAA show towards Dublin.

Get rid of these supid provincial championships for good, they're a joke and have been for a long time.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308673#Comment_119308673

You don't think, that's for sure.

If Ireland are playing at the Euros or WC you don't think it would affect attendance or viewers?

I mean we literally have evidence to show that when the GAA decided to go up against Ireland v Scotland and Leinster in the European Cup Final only this year!

Not to mention, when in 2016, the Leinster SF was up against Ireland v France at Euro 2016. Honestly, it's mental that the GAA see a crowded environment and think "ME TOO"!

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308715#Comment_119308715

Come on now.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308723#Comment_119308723

Yeah, that's the reason you can't bate decent teams, cos Dublin are too good 😂

I hope they do away with the provincials just so Meath and Kildare will have to come up with some new excuses.

Higgins5473

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308741#Comment_119308741

Ireland playing in euros or World Cup is at this stage an extraordinary event, not something regular, a once off, let’s be honest. The GAA have enough wherewithal to work around a situation like that. I’m old enough to remember going to dr Cullen park in 2002, we played Wexford after Ireland played Cameroon in the World Cup that morning. It was very messy with lads out of their box but it had zero impact on attendance, ground was packed, if anything it added to it.

Swaine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308816#Comment_119308816

Funny, ye weren't very good 15 years ago before the GAA pumped €19m into Dublin GAA over 5 years. Next nearest county Cork got €2.5m over that same 5 year period.

But yeah.. it's all Kildare and Meath's fault.

Delusional.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308745#Comment_119308745

About which bit ?

The Cork fella is true and I think the stats might be but open to correction.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308723#Comment_119308723

Kildare and Meath are single code counties. Galway a dual county was struggling at Football 7-10 years ago. They changed structures and are now a much stronger football team. They will probably reach an AI football final this year

The success at underage should actually mean it should have being easier for Kildare and Meath to transition. Do I agree with the Dublin funding model no I do not. But both Meath and Kikdare have themselves to blame for a lot of there issues.

Cork is in the same boat in both codes. The former County Secretary refused to change to academy structures when all the evidence pointed to that.

For the last ten years Leinster counties have been unwilling to put any challenge to Dublin. TBF Kildare actually beat them.in the league this year. They were unlucky not to retain D1 status. This was mainly down to only three home games. Next year's league will be interesting in that Galway and Roscommon will have four home games. Galway will definitely survive. Roscommon will struggle but the extra home game may allow them to survive.

Kerry Armagh, Monoghan and Tyrone all have only three. Monoghan will probably definitely go down and I would say Armagh or Roscommon

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309020#Comment_119309020

So that's why Kildare can't beat any of the top tier teams? What province would Kildare be winning titles in? Ulster? Nope. Munster? Nope. Connaught? Nope

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308741#Comment_119308741

What big game was affected by the Ireland and Leinster match ?

https://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-results/

If it's Dublin vs Kildare you are talking about I think the rest of the season shows it was no rugby match that has caused the drop in Dublin fans.

I wouldn't be a fan of having a big championship game the same time as any big Ireland game as I like all those sports but overall GAA attendance holds steady on World Cup and Euros years.

Swaine

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309164#Comment_119309164

More nonsense. Give Kildare and Meath €20m each and let us play every game at home. We'd improve no end.

Sounds silly doesn't it? This is the reality. But the likes of you just want to blame Meath and Kildare and ignore the elephant in the room.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119309197#Comment_119309197

How much should they give Tyrone? 😂

Swaine

Anyway onto the 3 games this weekend..

The Tailteann Cup final should be a decent game. Was very impressed with Westmeath's demolition of Offaly last time out and a bit underwhelmed with Cavan. Bookies have Cavan as favorites but I'm going for Wesmeath. Westmeath by 2.

Derry v Galway is as impossible to call as Armagh v Galway, Galway very ropey at times against Armagh and their goalkeeper is a massive weak point for them. Derry been impressive all year and their ability to get goals is making me lean towards them. Derry by 4.

Dublin v Kerry the hardest to call of all 3 games, no idea what's going to happen here. Is Clifford fit? He didn't look it last time out. Much will depend on him. But Dublin at home swings it for me and can see them winning. Dublin by 3.

Should be a great weekend of football.

Drumpot

How is Kerry v Dublin not sold out? I’m really surprised at this, Dublin aren’t favourites , it’s probably the two most likely winners and it’s kind of the two biggest names in the sport fighting it out.

I remember 59,000 at a Donegal v Dublin league final replay in 1993. Football was horrendous but it still got a savage crowd.

robbiezero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307495#Comment_119307495

Could be a good time to take them over all the same. As you say they are at a very low ebb, looked like a team that had checked out this year.

Mightn't take a whole lot to get them back up around the top of Div 2 and there could be some good young talent from that minor team and some decent underage teams coming through.

For the right man, it could be a canny move. You would think the only way is up from here.