Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

dunnerc · 11-07-2022 11:33PM

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Clifford is without doubt a class player , and i have no doubt in my mind , if he can stay injury free will go on to be one of the all time greats

MfMan · 12-07-2022 12:10AM

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Rather unusual thing to say.

Re: scoring, open to correction, but Galway were the highest scorers across the 4 league divisions. In their 5 championship games to date they have scored 11-82, an average of 23 points per game; only in the Mayo game have they only goaled once. Last Saturday was their lowest total to date.

Re: beating the big teams, they've beaten the defeated AI finalists and Division 1 runners-up, Division 2 champions, Ulster champions and another Division 1 side. Not really much more they can do until the next match. This squad isn't a patch on the '98 team, but is similar in that both had a mixture of experienced, established and promising young talent which suddenly converged into a very good team that only gave the impression that it arrived overnight.

I hope this is wrong, but it may well be a year too soon. The age profile of the squad is not yet that high, bar Conroy and maybe Silke and Walsh, and a couple of significant injuries and absentees this year, (Mulkerrins, McLaughlin, Cooke, Hernon?) would strengthen the squad further next year. So there is good potential in the Galway squad for a few seasons ahead.

Green Peter · 12-07-2022 12:22AM

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It's when you become serial losers in finals that the media focus in on it, many good teams lose finals, often they bounce back and win one within a few years after learning from the experience, unfortunately Mayo just kept losing them and didn't seem to learn from their mistakes, hence the reason the media get on their back sometimes. But maybe like in 98 Galway will just grasp the opportunity and get it done.

ShamNNspace · 12-07-2022 12:38AM

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Get kexit done

Always_Running · 12-07-2022 01:35AM

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Its official photo from yesterdays match from James Crombie who is the 2021 & 2022 Irish Press Photographer of the Year.

doc_17 · 12-07-2022 10:08AM

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Going for a ball is not behaving dangerously to an opponent. Duty of Care is rugby talk.

doc_17 · 12-07-2022 10:09AM

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It’s rugby talk.

doc_17 · 12-07-2022 10:11AM

I’d say Eoin Murchin squirmed a lot when he watched replays of Seán O’Shea’s goal.

Large bottle small glass · 12-07-2022 10:28AM

https://youtu.be/gyzwQ_v3T_M

Where does Eoin Murchan play for his club?

There are 3 Kerry players who pose a threat, he runs to the least threatening (who is marked) allowing O'Shea (in possession and the biggest threat) a free run at goal.

Something similar happened at opposite end shortly after (when Kilkenny made final pass but I can't remember who scored point) where the defender ran out leaving an open path to goal.

Is it a consequence of picking players good on the ball that they don't posses stopper/basic defending instincts? With all the quality on display I could believe the above happening and it had a massive influence on game.

If Murchan defends that properly I'm not sure Kerry win the game.

Bass Reeves · 12-07-2022 10:33AM

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In the John Small incident and similarly Galligan of Cavan got send off against Westmeath for a very similar challenge. In both cases the player could have pulled out of the tackle. Both knew the ball was gone and the player vulnerable. However both also knew that pulling out of the challenge would hand possession to the opposition so they continued with the challenge. The other player did not move into there path. Thadgh Morley in a 2021 league game got send off for a similar but less dangerous version of the same tackle

In the incident with the penalty rebound you see in soccer all the time. It was incidental contact after the ball was kicked with his trailing foot. The only way you can totally prevent such contact is to have the ball considered dead after a penalty is taken. The quid quo pro would be any movement by the goalie off his line would be a yellow car offence.

EC playacting before the penalty would have influenced the refs decision. They will have to bring in a clock for the bin and stop it any time that there is a serious stoppage in play or when physio/ medical enters the pitch

blanch152 · 12-07-2022 10:36AM

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Have to agree with you. This was a huge kick and fair play to O'Shea for kicking it. As a free, it is probably second only to Cluxton's one.

It was the difference. When you look back at a couple of the Mayo games against Dublin over the last decade, and the crucial frees that Cillian O'Connor missed, then you can tell what is required to kick a free like that with the pressure.

Bass Reeves · 12-07-2022 10:52AM

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They are all second to Maurice Fitzgerald's kick in Thurles. That was the ultimate pressure kick with an opposite mentor screaming in your ear and moving parallel to you as you take the kick.

He was only on the pitch about 5-10 minutes. He was not taking frees that day and stood up to take it cold. Having fresh legs was an advantage but it was an awesome kick.

https://youtu.be/nT9aEauktzE

bucketybuck · 12-07-2022 11:08AM

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Look at those goalposts move now.

timmyntc · 12-07-2022 11:15AM

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The ball was not gone in the case of SOS, it was a split second before he kicked it that the keeper reached out and grabbed it along the ground. A second earlier and it could well have been up and over the keeper and in the back of the net.

blanch152 · 12-07-2022 11:16AM

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He misses that, we all go home and forget about it, it was only a quarter-final.

The context of a kick makes a difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYBFoI-fznE

I mentioned Cillian O'Connor. Look at this miss from the 2017 All-Ireland Final - 1:36 into the video. Hearing the announcement of extra time, Mick Fitzsimons in his ear, and he hits the post. Small margins, huge pressure, but that's what puts the free into a certain context.

So, while Fitzgerald's kick, and maybe even O'Shea's yesterday, may have been technically better than Cluxton's, Cluxton was putting 16 years of hurt behind him.

castletownman · 12-07-2022 11:57AM

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So in Maurice Fitz's kick, he had a mentor screaming in his face. COC had Fitzsimons in his ear for his, while Comerford was acting the maggot shaking the post on Sunday.

Very sporting from the Dubs in the heat of battle.

TITANIUM. · 12-07-2022 12:11PM

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There probably was more pressure on the cluxton alright I'll give you that. But in terms of difficulty! The 2 frees are worlds apart. There's been at least 2 frees this year alone that were far superior to cluxtons great effort.

doc_17 · 12-07-2022 12:34PM

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I have no idea what that means. But anyway, best team won. Dublin were mad to play without a sweeper. But I don’t understand how Small got a black card? It looked like he pulled him back rather than down? Yeah it was cynical but so was Clifford’s pull and he got a yellow.

TITANIUM. · 12-07-2022 12:43PM

He was talking about comerford shaking the **** out of the post like an uncoordinated ageing pole dancer, as o'shea was taking the winning free kick.

Clifford's yellow was on awkward high tackle attempt on a player in possession. A foul and a yellow,

Small could have got the black for 2 reasons, deliberately and illegally stopping/blocking an opposition support player making a run, or more likely in this case pulling a player to the ground.

It's a pretty clear cut really.

Fattybojangles · 12-07-2022 12:55PM

The biggest problem for Dublin for me is they just don't have the subs anymore to change a game like they used to 3 + years ago the likes of Connolly Brogan Andrews Mannion McMenamin etc game off the bench real match winners in tight games the lack of quality off the bench was very apparent on Sunday if anything Kerry had the better bench with the likes of Moynihan and Spillane coming on.

As for the other game it was like having your teeth pulled out through your arse but that was largely Derrys fault and Galway had a tactical job to do to figure out the Derry system and beat it and to be fair to them from the 20th minute on or so they did that they'll give Kerry the full of their arse no doubt about it.

breezy1985 · 12-07-2022 12:55PM

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The whole "pulled down" wording is really stupid.

I have seen people arguing that some frees are not black because he pushed rather than pulled him to the ground.

Push, pulled, up, down, left, right at the end of the day it's impeding someone cynically.

gormdubhgorm · 12-07-2022 01:02PM

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I was saying that even before the league and was laughed at. No pace/movement is the other issue. When there is no Con it is really noticeable. This leads to lack of movement and slow side to side/backways stuff. Ironically having the best free taker in the country Dean Rock contributes to this as well because the fella can't run now. He has to be carried in games and does nothing from play. I would honestly take a 7/10 free taker who has pace and would rate 7 stars from play, instead of Rock.

Dublin needs pace in that forward line badly, otherwise Dublin are depending on backs such as Gannon and Murchan. Bugler does ok when he links with that side. But with an injury prone Con out, Dublin become easy to play against. Kerry now have an embarrassment of riches and can chop and change and there is no drop in quality.

gormdubhgorm · 12-07-2022 01:12PM

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It's funny you remember that and it is well over 20 years ago. Yet did not reference another pressure kick in 'the heat of battle' which was much more recent - 2017 AIF final. When Lee Keegan unsportingly threw his GPS at Dean Rock on a free. They say that people who can only recall stuff from many decades ago, but if more recent memory is not as clear it could be a sign of health issues! I hope it is nothing serious! 😉

TITANIUM. · 12-07-2022 02:10PM

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A little disingenuous to suggest he threw it at him when that wasn't the case. It was a sneaky and desperate attempt by keegan to distract rock from the match and all ireland winning free kick. But that free kick wasn't a difficult kick for any inter County kicker in fairness. The correct side and central enough, also easily in rocks range so no forcing it. The fitzgerald kick was a whole other animal and is an iconic gaa moment, thus! More memorable.

doc_17 · 12-07-2022 02:27PM

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Yes. Those are cynical fouls but not all cynical fouls are blacks. The pulling to the ground wording was there because of the Seán Cavanagh type of foul. 50% of fouls I’d say are cynical. Can’t be giving blacks for them all. Ref bottled a Derry black card as well on Saturday when the forward tries to win a free by grabbing the hand and pulling the man down. He only gave a yellow. It’s farcical.

breezy1985 · 12-07-2022 02:33PM

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If someone is through on goal and gets pulled down it's black but if he gets pushed or tripped it's not ?

The outcome is the same so the punishment should be.

flasher0030 · 12-07-2022 02:33PM

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I remember the furore and the offence that the dubs took when it was revealed that Lee Keegan threw a little item to try to put Dean Rock off. Shocking stuff altogether. And I remember the proclamations that he should be ashamed of himself.

On Sunday, we had a grown man walk over to the goalposts, trying to shake the bejaysus out of it to distract SOS in his endevours to slot it over the bar. Thankfully it didn’t work. Extremely unsportsmanlike. How come the dubs are not up in arms about such behaviour. In fairness, Comerford must have felt like an awful tlt when he saw it sailing over, and one of the Kerry lads run over to him celebrating in his face.

And all these calls for a red cards for SOS – due to dangerous play, “duty of care” etc. I remember the Dublin supporters coming to the defence of John Small when he broke Eoghan McLaughlins jaw last year – that it wasn’t intentional, and it was just a badly timed tackle. There was no red card issued, and rightly so says the Dublin fans.

A psychological type question – when you have been following a team which has had so much success like the Dublin team, as a fan, do you get totally blinkered in your views when things take a downturn – like Strumms and JRant on this site. Is it some kind of defensive mechanism, or that cannot deal with reality. I don’t know, but it would be an interesting thesis for someone to undertake.