Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

castletownman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326282#Comment_119326282

I know it was obvious at the time, but in hindsight, Kevin Mac in particular was some bench option to have. Nowhere near that available to them now, although Small did do well when he came on. I wonder could Murchan's pace be best utilised as another Jack at wing-back, or maybe even punching holes through the middle at CF while moving Kilkenny closer to goal.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326921#Comment_119326921

Conor Lane strikes again.

Lane must have some influence then because it was referee Paddy Neilan who gave the card, which was correct.

Whether Geaney dived afterward or not, he was being held back and he would have been away when Kerry were attacking with lots of space. Cynical as they come.

Gael85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327154#Comment_119327154

Neilan didn't see. It was flagged by Lane who was linesman. It wasn't a black card offence. It was not a deliberate pull down..Geaney exaggerated the contact. Wasn't enough for Geaney to go down..

PadraigCoghlan

Hi, I am looking for 3 seated tickets for the all ireland football final. Been to every game but not part of a club so chances of getting some are slim. If any of ye know of anyone. Please let me know. Thanks in advance.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327146#Comment_119327146

Murchan is only a short arse though, he would get minced out of it by backs if he was not running in space. Wing back would be a good spot for him though. Ideally what Dublin need now is a few Shane Ryan types - loads of pace, powerful athlete can play anywhere. Basically what Chris Crummey does for the Dublin hurlers. That would be my fast fix anyway, fellas that would work like mad non stop. Then a few subs that would do the same. Fellas that are not afraid to drive forward and draw players to them.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327221#Comment_119327221

Geaney was getting pulled back when Kerry were counter attacking - if his man didnt pull him he would have been away.

Black card all day, the going down is irrelevant

Gael85

Pulling player back is not a black card offence. He wasn't deliberately pulled to the ground. It a grey area which needed to be upgraded if any pulling should result in black card.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327263#Comment_119327263

Your chances of getting them on here are next to nil.

Anyone who ends with any they don't want, will have plenty of people they know who they'd give them to, rather than selling them online.

I suppose you'll have to get a season ticket next year to avoid a repeat. Nobody needs to be involved with a club now.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326829#Comment_119326829

Jayus are you or were you ever a county councillor or involved in politics?

Because that was a marvelously written post, with numerous opaque digs attached mixed with a faux concerned direct approach.

While at the same time minimising the wrong Lee Keegan did -

(in throwing a GPS in trying to off put free taker Dean Rock in an AI Final. Which Rock saw at the corner of his eye, and thought was a piece of Muck)

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/gaa-football/1631196/dean-rock-thought-gps-missile-thrown-by-lee-keegan-was-a-lump-of-muck/

But you simultaneously are magnifying the alleged wrong Comerford engaged in - shaking the posts. While minimising what Lee Keegan did. It is very cynical type of way of arguing, disingenuous like a politician.

Then have a dig at Dublin posters, and imply there is an unusual psychological issue with them as the cherry on top.

Well thought out, you should seriously run for office if not already as your talents are wasted on here.

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On your psychological question -

I am one of the more balanced Dublin supporters on here as I have been accused by many in recent months of playing the 'cute hoor' talking Kerry up and Dublin down etc by posters from many counties, including my own. But supporters come in all shapes, sizes, and mindsets. To claim some are blinkered after a period of success is a bit of misnomer.

As most die hard supporters of a county or club, feel hurt when they lose. There are just some who move on from it quicker than others. It is not a question of supporters being blinkered, previous success or not. But, merely because many diehard supporters get very upset after a loss.

Some on here use Dublin as a tool to deflect from their own counties failings. And the only GAA joy they get is when they see Dublin fail. I believe the Germans call it 'Schadenfreude.' But I would rather that than not being in the conversation. Because when other counties want your team to lose, and glory when they do - that means that county is a successful one. So in a way it is a complement. A sporting compliment, that is the beauty of sport.

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On the issue of gamesmanship.

There are some who played the game at a high level/won all Ireland's and not from Kerry/Dublin who claim Comerford showed 'smarts' in wasting the time when he was kicked in the head so it used up John Small's black card time. That person was Oisin McConville AI winner for Armagh 2002

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/oisin-mcconville-evan-comerford-dublin-kerry-516324

Now Comerford got praised for such gamesmanship by a former Armagh intercounty legend of the sport. Is that any different to shaking the posts? Or in soccer when Grobbelaar did the wobbly knees for liverpool v Roma?

Or is throwing a GPS gamesmanship as well, or going beyond the line of gamesmanship to cheating?

These are all questions it is up for each individual to decide, I suppose.

But I feel like in deciding on the above, your mind is already weighed towards one decision.

Mainly because the player in question the last day was wearing a dark blue Dublin jersey. Not because of the actions at issue.

If the player in question (Comerford) had been wearing another counties jersey, I get the impression that the 'shaking of the posts' would not nearly be such an issue for you. But I am only speculating on that point.

As Dublin great Dean Rock said after he nailed that free in 2017 -

“You’d always notice lads distracting you and putting you off. That’s just part and parcel of it. That’s just Gaelic football"

MattressRick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324609#Comment_119324609

I zoomed into see the looks on everyone's faces and the way people are staggered and have blurriness around them it looked like a paste job. Anyways its a good looking image.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327355#Comment_119327355

He was pulled and he hit the ground.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327530#Comment_119327530

If Comerford hadn't acted the complete clown twice already in that game maybe people would get over the one snakey incident.

BrianBoru00

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327221#Comment_119327221

It doesn't have to be a deliberate pull down for a black card - Again, read the rules. If an opponent deliberately collides with a player to take him out of the play, its a black card . . . . .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327355#Comment_119327355

..... but you're correct in saying it needs to be upgraded.. The exact text of the rule is

"To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play"

Now he deliberately impeded him - no question at all but is there a difference between a collision and a pull??

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327355#Comment_119327355

The offence is to

1. deliberately pull down
2. deliberately trip an opponent with hands/arm/leg/foot
3. deliberately collide with an opponent for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play

I'd say the foul was more in the territory of 2 and/or 3

flasher0030

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327530#Comment_119327530

Wow, that's some pile of shlte. Lets bring it back to basis and see if you can answer the following directly:-

• Why were Dublin crying about Lee Keegans actions a few years ago about the GPS, but not a word out of them now to condemn Comerfords actions. Charlie Redmond went public that the GAA need to deal with Keegan for his actions. Both actions were serving the same purpose. Neither were dangerous play. Or for that matter, do any dubs on here have the grace to say that Comerfords actions were a "disgrace" (to quote Charlie), or admit the dramatic overreaction in the case of Keegans actions.
• Why was there such outcry on Sunday evening and Monday morning (I work in Dublin so got to listen to it) that Sean O'Shea didn't get a red card for "kicking" Comerford in an act of dangerous play. But there was a general consensus from the same herd that John Small correctly escaped a red card for his mistimed tackle last year which broke another persons jaw.

No need to go off on a tangent about politics or German dialect. Would be great if you could just answer those questions. You don't have to of course. It an open forum and you're free to do as you like.

Green Peter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327616#Comment_119327616

Cluxton had more class in his big toe than Comerford in his whole body, let himself down on Sunday. Cluxton would never have acted like that.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328286#Comment_119328286

I have great respect for Cluxton which says a lot when I would do my best to find a reason to dislike the Dublin footballers usually 😁

Green Peter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328286#Comment_119328286

Having said that, he can redeem himself, it's not an easy job, he's a hard act to follow and probably got a bit carried away.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328543#Comment_119328543

It can be disheartening to have three Celtic Cross'es and have never won one on the field in an AI final

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119325748#Comment_119325748

Kicking to win and kicking to not lose are two different things though. For that reason, hennellys kick last year and rian oneills this year were probably the toughest of the lot of them to execute.

Re cillian oconnors kick, he caught it perfectly to be honest, it just never came back in as the wind was blowing across the goals and pushed it outwards towards the post. Rock missed a few into that goals the same day for the very same reason, but he happened to be on the winning team at the end so the above horse manure doesnt get spoken about his efforts. Although going off that footage it probably should have been about 10 metres closer to the goal

MayoAreMagic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324511#Comment_119324511

Actually the media will come for you far sooner than that as some dublin players will soon find out. Eaten bread is soon forgotten. Galway folk are in for a surprise if they expect the media to be the same as they were in 1998.

I hope it is a good close game and that kind of thing doesnt happen to either team or any people involved because the gaa press are full of sh*te. 'Fellow gaels' will be lampooned and insulted ad nauseum with crap that they know to be disingenuous. Someone or other will 'wilt', as opposed to just not having a good game due to numerous factors, many of which being outside of their control. Etc etc. It is actually tedious stuff and more fool us for reading it.

WJL

Jack McCaffrey owes Dublin nothing. But he's a great player Dublin fans must have wished was 100% 'GAA focused' like say Dean Rock.

It's Jack's choice what he does with his time. But imagine getting 12/13 straight years out of him like James McCarthy, no interruptions.

Hammer Archer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329774#Comment_119329774

The commitment levels nowadays for a top level intercounty footballer are insane. I cannot imagine having to put that level of commitment into it while also juggling the pressures of being a young doctor.

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329774#Comment_119329774

You're damn right he owes Dublin nothing without him there'd have been no 6 in a row he carried Dublin in the 2019 AI final first game one of the best individual performances I've ever seen in an AI final.

Gael85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119329774#Comment_119329774

Jack not even playing club football for Clontarf. Was working in England and now moved to Africa.

WJL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330129#Comment_119330129

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330215#Comment_119330215

Of course he has a busy career that involved serious study.

Just saying if he had a different career etc and you got 12-13 years out of him, he'd be some asset. Envisaging a hypothetical situation here. Really praising the player's ability.

Fattybojangles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330529#Comment_119330529

Absolutely I agree thank God he's got a busy career.

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330395#Comment_119330395

If he was a teacher theres a strong possibility Dublin would be going for the 8th in a row

WJL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119330744#Comment_119330744

Yes he achieved what he achieved in the game and moved on. Did it his way. The opposite is being a slave to the game and having a void on retirement. Always good to have a good career. People who are successful in one area generally are across the board.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327917#Comment_119327917

You seem to be missing my main point. The impression I get from you is that gamesmanship only irks you if Dublin do it. If another county did it- you I surmise would laugh about it. That is the impression I get from you.

For some reason you expect me to believe that it the first time you have heard people from opposing counties having differing views on refs calls!

But that is the nature of sport it can be parochial. And on occasion others can even be critical of their own county. Among themselves that is what people who watch games do.

There can also be varying opinions on refs calls from former intercounty players from various counties- Whelan (Dublin) O’Rourke (Meath) and Gooch (Kerry) all said O’Shea was entitled to go for the ball. But that does not fit your anti Dub narrative.

McStay a Mayo man -happened to have a different view - he said it should be red.

But that too would not suit your anti Dub narrative. As it is only when a Dub says it should be red, that you then pretend to get riled up

And I mentioned ‘schadenfreude’ because in your post about psychological issues. You seem to be revelling in the fact that some posters are diehards and still upset Dublin lost. And not only that, even though you tried to make it opaque are delighting in a Dublin loss. That is ‘schadenfreude’.

Personally I expected Dublin to lose. For various reasons, which were unfortunately proved correct. So it is easier for me to accept- better team won etc. Other Dublin supporters expected Dublin to win, so it hurts more.

But if you want to go analysising other Dublin posters. And someone analysed you back you should not feign surprise, because you were caught out.

Remember it was YOU who specifically asked me a question on other Dublin posters perceived ‘psychological issues’ as you put it.

And I dealt with the question and mentioned ‘schadenfreude’ and how some posters from other counties particularly enjoy a Dublin loss. Or listening to upset Dublin fans.

But you don’t like my answer, so dismiss it. Because it would not suit your anti-Dub narrative. And even admitting there exists ‘Schadenfreude’ against Dublin from certain quarters, would be utterly incongruent to your narrative so you avidly avoid it.

A more secure person would admit they were on the wind up. Which you clearly are. Cleverly done though.

I will repeat because the below point did not seem to land with you, or was wilfully ignored.

Dublin player Dean Rock who experienced gamesmanship (2017) accepted it was part of the game. This is one of the best freetakers in the history of Gaelic Football. Whose full quote in the aftermath was -

“You’d always notice lads distracting you, putting you off or calling you different things. That’s just part and parcel of it especially in Gaelic football,” he said. “You hear from spectators, you hear from players on the pitch. That’s just the norm.”

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Now that to me means the players accept it. Even supporters from all counties booing opposing players frees. It is accepted. You can debate the unsightly nature of gamesmanship. That is a different question.

Any other fuss about gamesmanship or disgrace this and that ~ is just noise and playing the media game.

If you can’t see that you are more naive than you are pretending to be.

McConville actually praised Comerford for smarts. He gave an honest unbiased answer.

That is two al Ireland winners on gamesmanship. One praised it - McConville. And the other accepts it and shrugs it off - Dean Rock. I would pay more attention to AI winners of recent year than some random poster online letting on to be outraged.

Your opinion does not hold the same weight as a recent all Ireland winner. Or even an intercounty player. I am sorry.

But if you get a kick out of such things pretending to be outraged/annoyed it is no harm. You could be doing worse, I suppose.

Just as a matter of interest, was a county you support or despise - playing in the Kerry v Dublin AISF the last day? I think I know the answer…