Wedding venue cancelled

yvonne.joy.3

Been MIA with all the rescheduling. Have no issue with the refugees needing someplace to go during this horrible time for them.

But I do believe if the hotel is making a profit from this then there should be some form of compensation for the people that they put out by making this decision.

Certain Hotels will make a lot more from housing refugees. Such as hotels that are usually event hotels or had contracts with the European tour operators, which are not going ahead this year due to increased travel costs. This way they have full capacity for an extended duration of time.

It is us the taxpayer that will be paying the hotels for all of this with no information as to what the hotels are actually getting for doing it. This should be public information as it is public funds being used. What help have the Irish taxpayers received from other eu taxpayers?

Anyway onto the update I have been in contact with the hotel in regards to the price differences and in looking for compensation towards the same. I received an email this week stating that they would be unable to provide any compensation at this time. Now I believe this is as I have heard of a few law suits from other cancelled events but can't be certain on that.

If I cancelled the wedding we would be liable for a portion of the cost unless we organised someone to take the date for us. This hotel didn't even try to help with finding a new venue for us.

Just fed up with the stress and now financial stress when the price of daily living is rising so rapidly aswell.

macvin

I really hate this "us the taxpayer" bull.

I can lay money that the chances are you are a net beneficiary of the tax system in Ireland.

Add children's allowance your parents got, your near free education, the very generous tax free allowances, the tax rebate if you are a first time buyer, the subsidised childcare for early years etc etc etc.

So spare us the bull and accept you have just had some bad luck and get on with things.

yvonne.joy.3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929201#Comment_118929201

Excuse me? Net beneficiary? How do you think you can judge what a person pays in taxes in this country?

Near free education? What is free about a third level education in Ireland? Tuition fees still need to be paid.

Generous tax free allowances for what?

And the tax rebate for first time buyers was and is only applicable to people buying new build properties purpose built as first time homes.

I'll have you know I have been working and paying tax in Ireland for 14 years so how does that equate to being a net beneficiary?

phormium

Not that it's much of a consolation but it's highly likely that even if your original booking was going ahead the price would probably have been increased. There are loads of stories on wedding forum of hotels upping the costs of already booked weddings due to increasing prices which to be fair is true, prices are increasing for everything!

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929201#Comment_118929201

All of us are net taxpayers?

You’re maths simply doesn’t add up.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967122#Comment_118967122

Obviously the poster making claims about tax net beneficiaries is speaking of personal experience, as he surely wouldn't know what a positive tax contributor is, judging by that statement.

For the OP, if I were you, I would be making an appointment with a solicitor. The hotel management are doing this for profit, not to be good Samaritans. Great for the refugees of course, as they need accommodation, but the hotel needs to close the gap in cost they have caused. You would have been expected to cover their actual costs, so it's only right they cover yours.

Treppen

I'm just wondering if you could probe the hotel further.

Ask them would the function room be available and you'll get your guests to sort accommodation externally. Maybe just keep the Bridal Suite for the couple.

I can understand accommodation might change with refugees but don't see why they wouldn't want to still host ye in the function room.

Unless they are planning on handing over the whole hotel for a nice sweet juicy government contract which could last for months... years.

CPTM

This is a strange situation. What am I missing here? Why can't they host the refugees and use the function room for your wedding? Grand you lose rooms for your guests, but plenty of weddings are in hotels which are booked out. What'll they be using the function room for exactly? Are the refugees sleeping there?

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967360#Comment_118967360

You are probably missing the fact that not many brides and grooms want to get a taxi from their reception to an Airbnb.

macvin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967030#Comment_118967030

Ohhh, I seem to have touched a nerve or two.

You college tuition fees of €3-€4k are a pittance to the actual cost of about €20k per year per student.

Most people earning under €60k are net beneficiaries of the state even after paying PAYE and prsi.

So this "our taxes" rubbish is exactly that. Utter rubbish.

I suppose the next whine will be that it's the "gubberments" fault.

CPTM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967737#Comment_118967737

That still doesn't add up for me. Surely, either they can spare a room, or they can give the bride and groom the option of choosing a taxi to an air BnB over a complete reorganisation of their wedding.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968151#Comment_118968151

I’m guessing you are not married, if you are, ask your wife if she would be ok with that, if she says yes, you married a classy bird.

Ginger83

A local hotel to me is cancelling bookings made to house people from Ukraine.

At first they were lying to guests claiming they had a flood from a leak but got found out.

The dishonesty has left a sour taste with locals who I doubt will forget.

CPTM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968275#Comment_118968275

Is that your answer to my question? Either you're right, or my wife, whom you've never met, has no class?

Actually she said that maybe the function room needs to be setup as a play area for the kids.

Maybe the refugees will mainly eat their breakfast lunch and dinner there, and it will be a busy communal area for them to socialise.

Maybe the hotel staff are low on numbers and their kitchen can't handle feeding a wedding as well as a high number of refugees.

She said she'd be surprised if it were over a taxi.

She also said to stop talking to morons on the internet who slag off wives they've never met whenever a point they've made makes no sense.

JP Liz V1

I would speak to a solicitor

Shelflife

So the Op had a contract with the hotel to have a wedding there. Deposit paid and everything in order.

Hotel gets a better offer and cancels the contract at short notice resulting in higher costs and id image a lot of stress and extra cost to the OP.

If the OP found a cheaper venue (better offer) and tried to cancel they would have lost their deposit - cost of cancelling the contract.

I see no reason why there shouldn't be a similar cost of cancelling the contract to the hotel.

Id be contacting a solicitor, the hotel have acted in bad faith here

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119001777#Comment_119001777

The hotel are not part of the contract between the op and the new hotel, so have no responsibility for the cost difference. The op has been refunded in full, what more can a solicitor get?

Shelflife

Hi Dav010, the Op being refunded simply means that they got their own money back.

An agreement was in place that the hotel would host the OPs wedding. The hotel broke that contract in order to pursue a more lucrative contract. As a result the OP incurred costs as a result of having to rearrange their wedding venue at short notice.

The OP is perfectly entitled to pursue the hotel for those costs.

The hotel cant be allowed to simply walk away from a contract in order to make more money from a different offer.

JayPS 2288

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118901688#Comment_118901688

Do tell? Where and when?

but Irish taxpayers have received a lot of support from taxpayers in other EU countries

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119001822#Comment_119001822

On what grounds?

The hotel were unable to fulfill the contract and refunded the op in full, the op has not suffered a loss on that agreement. The op picked a new hotel, but it could have been one cheaper than the original one, the point being, the original hotel is not a party to that contract so has not responsibility for the costs negotiated.

Consumer law allows for refund/repair/replace where disputes arise between consumers and retailers/service provider. In this case, the op got a refund, in full, so I don’t see what else you think he/she can get. Financially, the op has not lost on the contract between him/her and the hotel, the money has been repaid, but the new hotel is more expensive, that is a completely separate contract, nothing to do with the first hotel.

Its a terrible situation to be in, but this is an extraordinary situation. The hotel should have been descent enough to offer a payment for inconvenience, but that is not to say they had to.

bertiebomber

Disgusting behaviour on the hotels part if there was no war they would be rolling out the red carpet for you . Just shows you the government are paying way over the odds for their latest " aren't we the best boys in Europe contest ". I would actually sue the hotel as a stressed out bride who cant get a new venue at such short notice in the same budget you had planned. Get a no foal no fee solicitor nothing to lose then !! :)

The Continental Op

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002077#Comment_119002077

Your starting from an incorrect premise. There is no indication that the hotel was unable to fulfil the contract.

The hotel tore up the contract because it suited them and made the decision not to fulfil the contract.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002077#Comment_119002077

The hotel were unable as you say to fulfil the contract, why was that? because they got a more lucrative offer.

If another couple had come along and wanted their wedding on the same day and offered to pay more than the original couple that wouldn't be allowed.Why is it allowed that the hotel ditched this couple (and presumably others) to take a lucrative government contract?

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002379#Comment_119002379

It's allowed because the term and conditions of the contract allow it.

HBC08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002577#Comment_119002577

Are the terms and conditions of all such contracts identical or have you seen this specific contract?

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002592#Comment_119002592

No, but I read the OP's reference to the contract, plus it's fairly standard. It's sh1tty but saying to get a solicitor is just brash and throwing more money away,

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002310#Comment_119002310

I’m starting from the redress the op can claim from the hotel. The op has received a full refund, therefore there is no loss on the contract between the op and the hotel. The loss is incurred on the contract between the op and the new hotel, the original hotel is not a party to that contract.

mikemac2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002662#Comment_119002662

The OP has had stress scrambling for a new venue and this venue is 2,000 more expensive.

Are you saying the OP is entitled to nothing? If the OP had cancelled the booking last minute finding another venue 2,000 cheaper the hotel would have insisted to keep the deposit.

As for now the hotel found a lucrative contract to have 100% rooms filled and paid for by the government. Sorry but a refund to the OP at late notice is not enough.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119002873#Comment_119002873

I’m saying the op deserves to be compensated but is not entitled to it, the hotel has given back the money paid in full.

In relation to the hotel keeping the deposit if the op cancelled, that would depend on the contract the op signed, the contract did not say the op would be compensated if the hotel cancelled. There is no legal right for a deposit to be refunded if the consumer cancelled.

Again, there is what should be, and what is. Consumer legislation allows for a refund if the service is not provided, that is what has happened. You are confusing a moral right with a legal right.

mikemac2

People book a hotel a year or 18 months or even more in advance

To say a hotel can cancel last minute as a lucrative government contract comes up may be legally true but then the law is an ass.

The OP incurred stress, an extra 2,000 payment to another hotel, must apologise and rearrange to guests who will all understand and then is told on boards.ie "strictly speaking the hotel refunded you in full"

Tell a hotel you are going somewhere cheaper and they will keep your deposit but when a hotel gets a contract they tell you sling a hook and refund your deposit as they have a better offer

This can work fine but locals remember