Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

fun loving criminal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562065#Comment_119562065

In case you haven't noticed, we have a housing crisis with very little being done about it. We do not have the capacity to be inviting more people into the country. We have our own problems and it was already mentioned here that half of Ukraine is untouched by the war, so how is it allowed that we are bursting and nothing being done about it?

You bet, I'm bitter about the whole thing. I almost ended up homeless earlier in the year, I could have ended up in emergency accommodation. There are way more Irish in emergency accommodation and on the streets. Where's the news for modular homes for them? To have a roof over their kid's heads. To have a place to cook dinner. This has been happening before the Ukrainians started coming here, so what's so how come nothing was done about it and still no news about building modular homes for our own in need.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562198#Comment_119562198

It's going to continue until Irish people take to the streets in numbers, to the point where the government can no longer avoid it. Basically, the presence of Irish people complaining publicly, and caught on international media (not RTE) is likely the only way to force the government to rein in their virtue campaign.

Without that? Yeah.. they're going to keep screwing us, initiating expensive short-term and badly thought-out measures, and then looking for extra taxation.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562245#Comment_119562245

As repeatedly pointed out, 7,000,000 Ukrainians are already internally displaced. 50,000 in Lviv alone (itself attacked by rockets).

As repeatedly pointed out, the attacks are not confined to the southeast, despite it repeatedly being asserted here. Just a sample of attacks since June on areas not in the southeast:

12/06/22 - Missile attack on Chortkiv, western Ukraine, 22 injured - https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220612-russia-strikes-arms-depot-west-ukraine-as-battle-for-severodonetsk-rages-east

26/06/22 - A "flurry" of missiles hit Kyiv, at 6am (the city certain posters are recommending Ukrainians move to to stay in hotels), along with 45 other missiles all across Ukraine - https://www.npr.org/2022/06/26/1107691298/russian-missiles-hit-western-ukraine

27/06/22 - Missile hits shopping mall in Kremenchuk, central Ukraine, with >1,000 people inside - https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missile-strike-hits-shopping-mall-in-central-ukraine-as-it-happened/a-62271288

14/07/22 - Missiles kill 23 people including 3 children, injure more than 100 in Vinnytsia, south-west Ukraine - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62163071

23/07/22 - Missile attacks on Odesa, Black Sea port hundreds of miles from combat zone, the day after a ceasefire agreement to allow grain shipments - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/23/russia-ukraine-war-latest-updates/

23/07/22 - 13 missiles hit Kirovohrad, a central city, 3 killed and 19 injured - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/23/russian-missile-strike-kills-three-in-central-ukraine-governor-says.html

28/07/22 - 5 killed, 25 wounded in attack on central city of Kropyvnytskyi - https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220728-live-ukraine-says-operations-resume-at-ports-designated-for-grain-export

29/07/22 - Strikes on Kharkiv, Chuhuiv, and a military base outside Kyiv - https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220728-live-ukraine-says-operations-resume-at-ports-designated-for-grain-export

25/08/22 - Rocket attack on a train station in central town of Chaplyne, 25 killed - https://news.sky.com/story/russian-rocket-attack-on-train-station-in-central-ukraine-kills-22-people-12680848

Gen.Zhukov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561239#Comment_119561239

When Ireland's 'mammy' and self appointed moral guardian of the state - RTE, have smacked their forehead off the elephant in the room, it's getting serious.

thedart

Discussion on student accommodation on late late show but let’s not mention the elephant in the room.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562709#Comment_119562709

Tubs salary?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562709#Comment_119562709

In my lifetime, I have never seen such a crisis. I am trying to put it into words but it is beyond scandalous. It is so upsetting and I feel like crying a lot for the future.

I have absolutely no belief in this government to fix any of this and they are only exacerbating this problem by increasing our population by the day!

As I said, basic economics.

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562753#Comment_119562753

It's sickening what this government is doing to it's people, the same people who put their trust in them to look after them.

I think evil is a fair account of what we have governing us at present.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562753#Comment_119562753

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562831#Comment_119562831

It's not really "at present" though, is it? In my lifetime, I've seen so much bungling, ineptitude, and blatant privilege in our politicians.

Every decade or so, we get a government like this. Whether it's the Banking crash, Ireland becoming one of the most indebted countries, or the housing crisis.. we get these kind of governments because there is no political reform in this country. Zero accountability. And there's no real difference between the political parties, because we all know they'll all continue the same behaviour.

There was another thread recently about the politicians pensions, benefits and their salaries... hardly comparable to what the average Irish person experiences, and yet, they're rewarded handsomely for all their wonderful decisions. Imagine owning 8 houses and being a public servant... it's such a joke. I could understand it if the country was doing great, with services meeting the demands of the population, but they're not, and haven't been doing so throughout my lifetime. If anything they've been declining significantly, throughout all our supposedly boom years.

We're the ones the joke is being played on. Repeatedly.

maninasia

Yes its not good, terrible in the East. But large areas haven't been directly affected. Northern Ireland folks continued to work and live there for 30 years during the troubles.

Kyiv is getting rocketed how regularly now, I'm curious to know? From what I understand Kyiv is quite bustling again?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562926#Comment_119562926

It's moved from Direct threat to indeterminate. Some parts of Ukraine are actually in proper war conditions. Vast majority is not and areas in-between where they could be attacked. Vogue or whatever magazine would not go to a photo shoot if there was genuine concern. Even Zelenskyy does not seem to be in hiding like he used to be. On the one hand you have NGO's here screaming about safety on the other calls for return. I asked ages ago what level of war/stalemate would be acceptable to send people back. Guess what I got no response. If the Ukrainians don't push The enemy out it's going to turn some places into small Afganistans. Where the vast majority are untouched.

Strumms

One thing I find odd is the disparity of reporting of injuries and deaths…

Ukrainian government claimed that between 24th February and 7th August..

deaths..12,000

Injuries..28,521

UN claim between 24th Feb and 27th August

5,587 killed, 7,890 wounded

quite the disparity.

so the exodus from the west and other places…hmmmmmm it’s not all with safety in mind.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562956#Comment_119562956

could be civilian and military vs civilian would make more sense ?

acequion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562532#Comment_119562532

No way will the goodie goodie, virtue signalling Irish take to the streets! We're the biggest bunch of cowards and hypocrites and I'm 100% Irish myself. In other countries Govts are often forced to U-turn on decisions and policies due to strong people power. In other countries people get angry, they take to the streets, they get vocal, they're not afraid of civil disobedience and they don't hypocritically pretend to be do-gooders if their own welfare is threatened. Whereas here we are obsessed with being seen as good boys and girls, as being super hospitable and generous and we put up and shut up, even if secretly seething. You see that attitude everywhere, from work places to neighbourhoods, nice, respectable people don't kick up a fuss. They put on a brave face and act as if all is hunky dory. And our Govt, as a reflection of the nice, conservative Irish people [after all we did vote them in] break their asses to be seen globally as best in the class. It's all a throwback to when we were Church dominated and we were terrified to be out of line, it's in our DNA. And this lunacy of allowing in hoards of refugees at huge cost to our own people is more of the insanity and obsessive do-goodism and I agree and sympathise with the frustration evident in so many posts here. But nobody will actually do anything to stop it so the Govt will do what they like.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119561239#Comment_119561239

Finally...Some truth and reality...

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2022/0902/1320319-ballyvaughan-refugees/

acequion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562991#Comment_119562991

Yes, but when you read this in the middle of it,

"They need to be talking to us directly," Mr Wainwright said, adding that nonetheless refugees will continue to be welcomed in Ballyvaughan.

"I don’t think that will ever be a problem. There will always be a welcome for anyone who needs to seek shelter within Ballyvaughan. That isn’t the problem".

you see the usual striving to be the do-gooder that is at the root of the problem. Why is this Mr. Wainwright at such pains to stress about the cead mille failté? He's being a hypocrite which exemplifies what I was saying in my earlier post. How can people be welcome when you can't properly accommodate them and when even trying to only makes things worse for everybody especially the local vulnerable. People have to stop this jumping up and down with the cead mille failtés just to look good. They have to be a lot more blunt and honest to have any hope of being taken seriously.

Wompa1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562990#Comment_119562990

The Irish who protested and opposed water charges and got the charges dropped? The Irish who got cuts to benefits for the elderly reversed in less than a week and who drove AIB back from the drive to go cashless. There are plenty of other examples but its possible the majority of Irish don't feel aggrieved by offering support to the Ukrainians.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563068#Comment_119563068

I dunno I'm not Irish have noticed very little pushback to stuff that in other countries would bring out people. Water charges were on the back of austerity last straw. Even then they were called ISIL. The political class here seems to have a level of arrogance Rarely seen. Take the place next door the UK they generally fall on the sword. Bojo is the only one I have seen brazen it out. Did they not have people resign for putting porn on the gov expenses. Here you had mr 50 houses seeing nothing wrong. You had a crowd around a car apparently the world ended. France for example they literally sprayed gov buildings with s*ite. Lad gets a cold coffee thrown at him end of the world. That ukip fella had the same everyone was good enough for him.

acequion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563068#Comment_119563068

It wasn't the nice respectable middle classes who got the water charges reversed, it was the people who politicians like Paul Murphy represent, who the middle classes in this country would shun because all that roaring and shouting doesn't look good. You didn't see the same protests against the property taxes which were proposed at the same time. Why, because the home owning Irish are again the nice, conservative Irish middle classes who would be horrified to make such a fuss. Middle Ireland will not protest in sufficient numbers. But fair play to those whose protests got the Govt to U-turn on water charges! As for cuts to the elderly? What cuts are you talking about? The march of the grey brigade perhaps around the same time as the water charges? To stop medical cards being taken off them? And fair play they got their way, older generations of Irish people were more ballsy but most did eventually end up losing those medical cards as the threshold was constantly raised. Sometimes you will see the odd fuss in this country, very little though. And you are deluding yourself if you think we are a nation of fighters. And deluding yourself if you think we can afford to as you so nicely put it "offer support" as this current rate.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563068#Comment_119563068

It is also possible that the majority of Irish haven't seen the scale of the issues that are being created. The media is staying away from it. I don't know if any of my friends are aware of it. It's not something you want to throw in to any conversation when you are out. Politics, Refugees etc. That may change though.

As has been mentioned numerous times on this thread, most were/are all for helping the Ukrainians as much as we can. It wasn't until it became very apparent how much the government are milking this for all it's worth, and for their own benefit (and possibly cronies) to boot. The more that are aware of it, I can guarantee you there will be a lot more that are willing to get up and do something about it. The blame needs to be focused on the government though, imo.

Point out all the things that are wrong with it, including the Ukrainians that are obviously coming over to take advantage of the free money, why wouldn't they? The hotels and their contracts, the insane modular homes prices, the fact that we started struggling (realistically) in April/May and have or have almost doubled the amount since then with more to come. The tents, the stadiums, the student houses, GP's, the schools, etc.

Many may have read or seen the odd story, but not bothered to put them together, or may not have thought the issues are as big as they are, to put them together.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563042#Comment_119563042

Because he doesn't want to be crucified by the media or the mob. We might have done away with the conformity from the Catholic Church, but it was replaced by other forms of societal pressure. He's also probably worried that a harder stance would give them an unwelcoming reputation for tourism... stranger things have happened, and nobody wants to be responsible for something like that.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563104#Comment_119563104

Why, because the home owning Irish are again the nice, conservative Irish middle classes who would be horrified to make such a fuss

What absolute nonsensical bitter twaddle.

Go give your head a wobble.

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119562753#Comment_119562753

It’s sickening that none of these groups that organise marches etc haven’t created one yet to join

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563042#Comment_119563042

The people of Lisdoonvarna have accepted this for years now. When the first group of refugees came into the town they did protest but were relentlessly portrayed on the media as racists. That ended all protests and they are essentially just a broken demoralised people now.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563358#Comment_119563358

The Irish rarely protest in great numbers about anything. As a people we are easily bought off too.

malinheader

Cultural change in Ireland and alot of Europe is a far bigger issue than this climate change agenda being pushed.

Instead of showing dry river beds and forest fires on rte perhaps they could do a programme on our some of our towns and cities have become totally culturally and ethnically changed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563471#Comment_119563471

Every time I drive through Letterkenny, I am shocked at the unsavoury characters around. I know loads of people who won't even go on a night out there because there are so many creeps around. So many local people have been pushed out of Letterkenny into the surrounding towns, which has shot housing prices up. I have friends who won't teach in the town due to the social issues present there.

How can you increase the population of the town when it was always an economic black spot so where are the jobs?

Of course there are lovely people who have contributed greatly to the local economy and community but they are few and far between.

The town I live in is heading the same way as Letterkenny...a lot of social problems and crime rising, low integration, very high rate of social housing and unemployment and social welfare dependence, overcrowded schools, high house prices in suburbs, people moving out of the town into more rural areas and schools, lack of community feel and groups etc etc etc.

It's sad!

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563540#Comment_119563540

Every time I drive through Letterkenny, I am shocked at the unsavoury characters around. I know loads of people who won't even go on a night out there because there are so many creeps around.

Well hopefully the influx of Ukrainians might be able to bring down the average creepyness of those locals

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563590#Comment_119563590

Let's hope so because importing hundreds of single men with archaic views on woman and with a backward culture hasn't really improved the place!

To be blunt and frank!

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119563615#Comment_119563615

Of course. I'm sure that if the Ukrainians were a little more archaic and backward they would fit in with the natives easier. Unfortunately they are coming from a place where technology and development weren't halted with the invention of fire