Fuel Protests - Dublin 11 April

quokula · 11-04-2022 11:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910245#Comment_118910245

As a species, our choices are limited to a binary of emitting less carbon or leaving a massive global catastrophe to our children and grandchildren.

The catastrophe can of course be avoided if everyone else in the world behaves responsibly and Ireland doesn't. But if other countries also come to that conclusion and assume it's everyone else's responsibility then we're screwed, which is why international agreements are in place to ensure all countries act together. If we choose to turn our back on international rules and norms and turn ourselves into North Korea that is always an option, but I'm not sure it's an option worth taking in order to allow some hauliers a slightly bigger profit margin for the few months before they completely run out of fuel because no nation will trade with us.

11-04-2022 11:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910636#Comment_118910636

All in all, a good result

blackwhite · 11-04-2022 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910600#Comment_118910600

It's less that 20 cranks whom the even rest of their own industry don't want to be associated with. If they can't even get fellow truckers to join them what makes you think they'll get the public on board? Attacking the general public isn't exactly how to win hearts and minds.

Last time around they drew a bigger crowd of spectators down to take a look than actually protesters. This time around the spectators haven't even materialised

Faugheen · 11-04-2022 11:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910667#Comment_118910667

Except for the hard-working hauliers who use the Tunnel and East Link every day.

11-04-2022 11:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910656#Comment_118910656

In the grand scheme of pollution figures to Air and water globally where do Ireland sit as an offender would you think?

Patser · 11-04-2022 11:53am

Even their own Facebook page is starting to turn into a 'Where are ye all!!! You promised, and now we're getting fined and looking awful' type blamefest

Faugheen · 11-04-2022 11:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910698#Comment_118910698

Watch a go fund me appear now to pay the fines.

They won’t be able to resist the grift.

Get Real · 11-04-2022 12:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910600#Comment_118910600

I don't think so. As said by a few,its a few extreme, disorganised people with some legitimate hard working folk roped in.

I'd have no problem with a protest organised by legitimate, working people, with planning and cooperation between different unions and associations.

The organisation of this isn't by any official group, its mostly by unemployed nuts, spouting other stuff on twitter and telegram. Each trying to further their own profile and cause. They even fight among each other as to what they should do. And there's severe jealousy and politics.

This is the closest they can come to connecting with ordinary people who go to work and also have issue with the current cost of living.

But lets not get confused. We can support the cause, just not their version of it. I doubt you'd sit for a coffee or pint, or go for a walk with these people. I wouldn't anyway. They don't represent the majority in this country.

One man involved in this has a website talking about fetus' in injections, the Pope is a warmonger, all while having a nice donations page while claiming social welfare.

Another woman who likes to use a megaphone and be heard is also long term unemployed, taking money for decades, and spouting all sorts of stuff to others. It's mad stuff, never worked in their lives.

awec · 11-04-2022 12:11pm

Opened their Facebook page, and first thing I spotted under the "Related Pages" section was Ben of the clan Gilroy's page.

Oh dear. 😅

brokenangel · 11-04-2022 12:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910600#Comment_118910600

No chance, they should have turned around at 3am this morning when they knew nobody else was with the fruit loops

11-04-2022 12:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910786#Comment_118910786

What did you expect, their brain trust on here has been busy posting with their usual well thought out and logical arguments.

brokenangel · 11-04-2022 12:24pm

Went onto the website, same shower of useless pri*ks you see with Gemma shouting everyone is a "llliiiiaaaaarrrrr".

Gardai would be better just putting the lot of them into the wagon and sticking them into the Joy for a few hours.

brokenangel · 11-04-2022 12:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910786#Comment_118910786

When someone asked about letting people into hospitals etc...the response was something about "cagged animals" during Covid.

I really do fear for the stupidity levels of this country

end of the road · 11-04-2022 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910005#Comment_118910005

yes, yes it can as we are part of an organisation of countries and have signed up to commitments.

and it will be imposed and we will pay it.

Fandymo · 11-04-2022 1:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911060#Comment_118911060

As I stated already there Paris agreement is in no way legally binding. There are no "fines" for not hitting targets.

Thelonious Monk · 11-04-2022 1:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911060#Comment_118911060

Yes Ireland on its own will make no difference but we're part of the EU, 500 million people and China's biggest customer. The EU can make a huge difference.

maestroamado · 11-04-2022 1:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910025#Comment_118910025

I expect we have to tick all the boxes to retain our current payments which i think goes mostly to farming... i am happy to be corrected as i don not really know the EU money goes...

See the mess in Derrybrine , Galway... kept paying huge sums in fines and now it has to be removed...

What are they like...

MrMusician18 · 11-04-2022 1:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911080#Comment_118911080

Not every visit to a hospital is an emergency, but they are no less important.

And who were they to decide who gets to use the road? Who gave them that right?

They are an embarrassment.

quokula · 11-04-2022 1:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118910689#Comment_118910689

Per capita, we sit pretty highly and are above the likes of the UK, France, Spain, India, Mexico, Italy and many many more. Do you think the citizens of those countries, who as individuals are already responsible for fewer carbon emissions than you or I, should all be exempt from any responsibility as you believe we should be?

This logic leads to catastrophe if you think anyone in the world who happens to have arranged themselves into a jurisdiction of relatively low population should be allowed to pollute at will. Where do you want to draw the line? EU commitments should only apply to countries with 10 million or more population while the other half of members do what they want? Should the approx 50% of American states that have lower populations than Ireland also be exempt from all responsibilities? Should the 20 or 30 Chinese cities that happen to have a lower population than Ireland declare themselves as independent states so it will then be ok for them to burn as much fossil fuel as they want?

If you keep coming up with excuses why you should be allowed to emit as much carbon as you want without any consequences while everyone else cleans up their act to make up for it, you eventually end up in a situation where nobody does anything.

UrbanFret · 11-04-2022 1:19pm

What would the prospects of travelling from N3 Cavan side to Beaumont.?

Thanks.

Ginger83 · 11-04-2022 1:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911210#Comment_118911210

You could consider going Navan-Slane-Drogheda and follow M1 to avoid M50.

Patser · 11-04-2022 1:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911210#Comment_118911210

At the moment Dublin is incredibly quiet traffic wise - between mid-term and fear of disruption. The protesters are literally just 25 odd vehicles parked up on roundabout at 3 Arena and that's it.

Maybe later, if they get frustrated and want to try make headlines, there's a risk they try a go slow on M50 or M1, but at the moment they're showing no signs of moving and Gardaí are marshalling them pretty well

brokenangel · 11-04-2022 1:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911080#Comment_118911080

Read the post

It was nothing to do with emergencies. It was about people trying to get to appointments. Plus any video the gobsh** have up shows no place to let an emergency in/out.

I would like an apology but I doubt I will get one

The People Of Ireland Against Fuel Prices Protest will there be allowances for the people with hospital appointments for treatments that cannot be rescheduled or missed?

Allowing extra time isnt really the best advice as the city will most likely be locked down.(21 people thanked)

Response: what about the last 2 years they had us caged like animals what did you do then about appointments

Response: Conquer and divide,they love that ...Their was plenty of notice given ..Yes lockdown for the whole day and night unfortuntately cant keep everyone happy....

elperello · 11-04-2022 1:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911156#Comment_118911156

Shocking stuff really.

As if you wouldn't be under enough pressure heading to a hospital without having to explain yourself to a bunch of truck drivers.

Illegal checkpoints is what they were proposing.

elperello · 11-04-2022 1:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911255#Comment_118911255

To avoid Navan you could turn off at Kells and from there go Slane-Drogheda R163.

Pussyhands · 11-04-2022 1:51pm

Everyone against this protest sums up modern Ireland.

Weak, subservient creatures who'd rather just like a few tweets and whinge online about things than actually force the people with the power into doing something about the issues that affect them.

You'll whinge and complain about things on twitter and have a big circlejerk of feeling sorry for yourselves. You may even meet up and hold placards outside the Dail, while Leo and Michael drive in their chauferred cars. But as soon as there's the slightest bit of inconvenience or discomfort caused...you back down and say "it's not on".

You liked the tweets last summer about the Zappone job and you liked the tweets about the Holohan cronyism appointment and you'll like the tweets the next time something similar happens and if you're renting you'll hand over 40% of your wages to an investment fund who our politicians have bent this country over for.

And the worst thing is you'll defend these cronies..."it's a global issue! Nothing government can do!". Government are partly while cars are so expensive here now. They took no action against the cartel like behaviours of insurance companies. They hide behind the EU VAT rules and say we can't do this or that while other EU countries do reduce VAT.

Thelonious Monk · 11-04-2022 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911425#Comment_118911425

why aren't you out protesting, aren't you an Eamon Ryan despising hard pressed working man motorist type?

Hurrache · 11-04-2022 1:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911425#Comment_118911425

Some irony given you just posted the biggest whinge on the thread.

macvin · 11-04-2022 1:58pm

This very laughable "protest" reminds me of the guy that had a car insurance protest in 2016 and said "thousands" were going to show up - he estimated he had 6,000-10,000 people coming.

About 20 cars turned up. It was laughable just as this joke of a shower of fools are.

brokenangel · 11-04-2022 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911425#Comment_118911425

The problem is, anytime the people of Ireland try to have a protest its just a day out for the scumb*g brigade who want to start a fight.

Proper protest likes the nurses done a few years ago and brought the city centre to a standstill is how you go against the government. Arranged, planned and done at the weekend.

People are sick of these clowns coming up and blocking up Dublin traffic every couple of months with the latest outrage. Why don't they block up their own villages if they are so upset?

Why would anyone lose a day wages, spend a fortune on fuel, to go in and sit on a road in Dublin blocking traffic and hurting the people you are supposed to be helping. If you are so worried you should head in yourself and do something?

They are blocking the port, truck drivers are blocking the port. Now please tell me which of the idiots came up with that idea? because they have just pi**ed off the truck drivers who they are supposed to represent. You actually couldn't make this up, a 2 year old would come up with a better plan than this shower of clowns

Pussyhands · 11-04-2022 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909477#Comment_118909477

Why are you such a walkover?

The housing crisis is a global issue too, should our government not do something no?

When you go to visit your granny this week and she can't afford to turn on the heating will you just turn to her and say "sorry granny, you just have to accept it, it's a global issue"?

Dail being on recess makes it the worst timing? Why? The Government are still working. Govt plans to cut levy on energy amid rising costs (rte.ie)

Where you getting this idea that it doesn't affect me? The protest was planned for this week to reduce impact on school runs and plenty of notice was given about this so no excuse for being prepared. What kind of protest gets anywhere if there's no disruption?

breezy1985 · 11-04-2022 2:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909141#Comment_118909141

Suits me fine. I'll just go round them on my bicycle and continue on up the cycle lane

Pussyhands · 11-04-2022 2:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911494#Comment_118911494

They don't block up their local villages because the government couldn't give a toss about them. Rural Ireland has been gutted and government are fine with it.

You have to hit the major cities to make the government take notice.

Fandymo · 11-04-2022 2:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911351#Comment_118911351

Was the response from some internet moron, or from the Organisers and page owners??

bladespin · 11-04-2022 2:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911157#Comment_118911157

We sit a lot lower than places like the US, Japan, Russia and even Germany who all have populations much larger than ours which is the real deciding factor in whether any changes actually make a difference, we sit way down the pecking order no matter what way you dress it so should be the last to act, not the first, nothing we do can't be eaten up larger populations growth if their emissions aren't reduced first.

11-04-2022 2:05pm

The missus and the baby are due to get the ferry on Thursday. Hopefully these fuckers are off the road by then.

markodaly · 11-04-2022 2:05pm

This is just another extension of the army of whingers and cranks that populate our island. Whatever about their demands, their demand that an elected official, a minister of the state should resign is anti-democratic. You want him to resign or lose his seat? Then get on the ground and vote him out!!

The same idiots probably think they are upholding the true ideals of the men of 1916 or some other $hite they want to guff about.

Also, their demand that petrol goes back to 1.10 euro is hilarious given it was 13 years ago after the crash that petrol was that price. They don't have a bulls notion.

Idiots spawning idiots.

MrMusician18 · 11-04-2022 2:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911516#Comment_118911516

Rural Ireland's population is increasing.

Why do you say it's being gutted?

Patser · 11-04-2022 2:08pm

Nonsense Pussyhands, absolute nonsense.

Everyone here will happily support the right to protest, and Ireland has a long history of protests leading to change. Just look at the Water protests a decade ago when huge protests in Dublin, coupled with widespread local protest, and most importantly mass complaints to local TDs lead to a change.

Just because a poorly organised protest arranged by an anonumous Facebook page, that's had declining numbers over it's last 2 protests due to how disorganised it is - and now they show up with massive demands of what they want and what they expect protestors to do - 'Let's all stay for a week til Eamonn Ryan resigns!!!'; doesn't get mass support doesn't make the whole nation licklespittles to Vardakar and Martin. It just means it's a shite protest

awec · 11-04-2022 2:09pm

The latest couple of Facebook posts seem to confirm that this is a shower of freemen type dopes rather than anything with credibility.

markodaly · 11-04-2022 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118909940#Comment_118909940

You dont depend on Turf, you are too lazy to try and find an alternative.

markodaly · 11-04-2022 2:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911425#Comment_118911425

Pussyhands · 11-04-2022 2:20pm

And lads, you say it just inconveniences people....do you never support a strike so? A doctors strike? Dunnes workers strike? Nurses strike? Why? Sure they're inconveniencing you so they shouldn't do it.

markodaly · 11-04-2022 2:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911597#Comment_118911597

Depends on the context and situation. Unlike you, I weigh up the arguments and go from there. Others just go for a kneejerk reaction.

Dempo1 · 11-04-2022 2:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911568#Comment_118911568

That's delightful, perhaps your not aware of what living in rural Ireland entails, perhaps not aware of the cost involving retro fitting a 200 year old house, indeed perhaps not even aware burning oil as damaging as burning solid fuel let alone its cost, if you bothered your arse to look at my previous posts, I also have central heating, which is nowhere near as efficient as my sealed stove. Look out one of windows of your eutopian Home of yours, you might actually see part of the Real World that surrounds it 🙄

Thelonious Monk · 11-04-2022 2:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118911607#Comment_118911607

to be fair, you're obviously going to have to spend way more of your income on heating etc. if that's how you choose to live! It's not like people in cities don't struggle either, and we have to live in places a fraction the size of yours beside god knows who. This is why the "Attack on Rural Ireland" narrative annoys me, you have to take the pros and the cons with living in peace and quiet in a big isolated house, while we live in our overpriced shoeboxes in the city.