So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX **Threadbans in OP**

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882452#Comment_119882452

I wonder if they have considered what will happen if everyone in a particular function decides to leave?

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882452#Comment_119882452

Confirmation if anybody needed it that Musk is a sh*thead.

kerplun k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882480#Comment_119882480

Probably isn’t as simple as that. What Musk is saying and what is happening are two very different things. I’d say there’s tons of employees that are actively looking for the severance right now which Twitter will inevitably turn down after their review has been conducted. Most will probably walk for nothing. That’s normally how these things go.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882452#Comment_119882452

That's an interesting perspective that at it's heart Twitter is a software and servers company. I don't think that's true really is it?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882618#Comment_119882618

I wouldn't have said so..it's an advertising company, like most big tech imo.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882479#Comment_119882479

Changing Jobs has nothing to do with your loyalty being bought, once you change jobs your loyalty still needs to be earned as well as respect by the new company and its leadership. You have a very mercenary view of the world if you believe loyalty can be bought and sold at the drop of a hat like that.

kerplun k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882452#Comment_119882452

For a person that doesn’t want parody accounts, Musk is doing a great job of parodying Ryan from the US Office.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882647#Comment_119882647

Yeah strange he wants to stack it with engineers.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882647#Comment_119882647

Most big tech are advertising companies? Really? Amazon, Microsoft, Salesforce, Stripe, Shopify, Wix, Oracle, Atlassian, Slack, Zoom to name but a very few those of which arent and i haven't even named a single phone, tablet or component manufacturer.

I think your getting confused and conflating social media companies with all tech companies tbh.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882318#Comment_119882318

some of us would have been jailed for some of the stuff we ve emailed each other in a job, from hard core porn, to filth you wouldnt believe, some work places sound like hell, we had it easy, and fun to!

At this point I expect the next announcement to be that Musk and the remaining development staff are decamping to a bunch of properties in Palo Alto and that Sean Parker has agreed to come onboard as a consultant to help out. In a surprise move, Parker suggests to rename the company to "The Twitter".

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882786#Comment_119882786

Sounds like Aaron Sorkins wet dream for a sequel

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882735#Comment_119882735

Yeah, it the dissemination of this kind of material over corporate networks was rife in the early days. Those days ended after a few public embarrassments for a handful of companies.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882852#Comment_119882852

I almost had an accident in work thought I sent it to the same name but in the USA.. Luckily the correct person got it. I did receive a shopping list from some woman in the USA one for Her husband to buy we had a chuckle about it over email.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882618#Comment_119882618

I wonder if he meant "software and services"?

FunLover18

If I hired someone knowing at they would leave at the whiff of a better offer, "loyal" is not the word I would use to describe them. But in the same way people are saying that there's no such thing as "work families" I don't think employment is the place for loyalty as it's seldom rewarded in my experience.

pixelburp

I'm not "loyal" to my employer because it's not a vocation, or a calling, or something beyond what it is. A job, a means to an end to make myself and my family's life a good one. in fact I see myself, a front-end developer, as a tradesman TBH - and say this when asked in interviews (I despise the cutesy obnoxious talk of "rock stars" and "code ninjas", like it's a fúcking wheeze). I have a set of technical skills people need to Get Stuff Done, and I get paid to supply those skills. I don't design the bathroom but I do put it together and install the plumbing. A tradesman.

All I ask is I'm paid what I think my time and money is worth, and I'm treated to a modicum of dignity and respect by those above. But that's it. It's a mercenary relationship and this segue about "loyalty" feels reductionist, naive and trying to put the onus or fault on employees - not least because in an era of the Gig Economy, the concept of a "career" feels increasingly redundant. What value has loyalty when employment conditions favour the employer, who'll sack you arbitrarily for lols? Again, it becomes talk of serfdom, not professionalism. If the boss is full of shít, they should be called on it by those with most to lose from the CEOs hubris.

But people work where they work for more than monetary reasons. Sometimes of course, it's purely the amount paid ... and plenty (too many) people work shítty jobs for pittance ... but if we're talking skilled labour like IT and developers? A collaborative, welcoming, respectful work environment will do as much work as a fat paycheque or health benefits. People might work for a large salary - but they'll stay because they're respected and made feel like they count. A group of good people coming together to make something, their work rewarded and appreciated.

Twitter and Musk is burning through that built sense of trust like there's no tomorrow, out some dated sense that one must suffer and sweat for one's bread. Bullshít. It's neanderthal nonsense, regressive towards a sweatshop mentality and at the risk of indulging in business lingo... it's better to work smarter, not harder. Or to fail better. 80 hour work weeks creates shít code., Bugs, instability, toxic work environments - and certainly doesn't engender "loyalty".

Loyalty is also a two way street. He’s treating people, who’ve mostly got plenty of better options and are likely the only people who know how everything works, as if they’re completely disposable.

The company will very likely just collapse before long.

Why would anyone who could leave, and find much nicer employment or go self employed and spin up something interesting, be bothered dealing with this chaos for more than 3 minutes.

He’s throwing his weight around with people he really has no power over at all.

Royale with Cheese

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883593#Comment_119883593

Pretty much exactly what I thought when I read his little ultimatum. I've no idea why anyone would want to stay in Twitter and be "hardcore" for that cúnt. There's nothing admirable about working stupid hours for some software company. Once you have the skills and experience to go somewhere else where you can get paid a fair wage for a fair day's work then do so, there will be a serious clear out at Twitter.

The guy's ego is just completely out of control. I like using Twitter and would miss it if it goes but I'm still enjoying watching its demise.

xxxxxxl

People can leave no one has handcuffed them to the desk in the office. I think their more P*ssed about all the perks being shut off and will never get in another company. I have no idea why people are upset at management reading your internal communication. That's standard practice. If you pick up a phone in the office someone is listening or could be standard again. All your emails can be read from your work account. They can actually see what you type on the work laptop or computer your using so even see what your sending via your own email accounts via key logging. You would swear this is something new.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883813#Comment_119883813

Did Twitter have more perks than any other tech company? I’d have thought the likes of Google were much better

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883884#Comment_119883884

Googles are for show most of the stuff in the office is for looks for example You wont find anyone using the air hockey tables that are supposed to be working. You don't tend to see many videos coming from google like twitter with people doing absolutely nothing with others doing that. It's pretty much a Twitter trope at this stage.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883895#Comment_119883895

I've heard of these twitter people at work videos, any links ? Cheers

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883930#Comment_119883930

I'm pretty sure some were linked in the thread could be wrong try google otherwise.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883959#Comment_119883959

What site did you see them on?

Northernlily

Maybe that's the culture he built at Tesla but coming into an established company that "hardcore" rhetoric is not going to work at all.

He is making serious misjudgements here.

Also people who make "a day in the life of [insert job title] " videos and show a cushy number are absolutely braindead. The kind boggles. All for likes I guess.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883969#Comment_119883969

Can't remember probably YT your free not to believe it.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883979#Comment_119883979

Haha OK.. strange response.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883813#Comment_119883813

Management are legally obliged to comply with GDPR , just like anyone else. They need a legal basis for any such access to data, or they will expose themselves to huge fines. General policies signed under duress are not “informed consent” .

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884029#Comment_119884029

Gdpr is for individuals not companies. Show us under the Gdpr guidelines where this is disallowed. They are allowed to monitor your activities. How do you think they got away with working from home monitoring ? They could see though your camara and keylog on the work system to see if you were working. 🤔

Edit also how do you square this call maybe recorded for training exercises. Gdpr is more for data selling and access by a 3rd party.