So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX **Threadbans in OP**

Cordell

https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/accident-rate-for-tesla-80-lower-than-us-average-with-fsd/

New data released in its Impact Report show that Tesla vehicles with Autopilot engaged (mostly highway miles) had just 0.18 accidents per million miles driven, compared to the US vehicle average of 1.53 accidents per million miles.

Teslas on non-highways with Full Self Driving (FSD) engaged had just 0.31 accidents per million miles representing an 80% reduction in accidents compared with the average vehicle. 

Yeah so unsafe. Geez, you would cling to anything to make Musk look bad.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496742#Comment_121496742

I'll believe the independent NHTSA over report produced by Tesla to justify a Tesla product, thanks.

Teslas are ugly, badly built cars that are about as reliable - drivetrain aside - as a 1980s British Leyland but without the wonky charm (and I suspect that if Tesla made ICE cars they'd be as reliable as 80s BL for drivetrain too). And now it turns out that their main 'feature' is exceptionally unsafe.

magicbastarder

wasn't there some (supposedly credible) reports that autopilot would disengage fractions of a second before impact, so tesla could claim 'autopilot was not active at time of impact'? or am i imagining that?

Cordell

And now it turns out that their main 'feature' is exceptionally unsafe.

Actually it turns out it's much more safer than human driving but hey, it's ugly.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496997#Comment_121496997

...based on a report made by the company that has the validity of bogroll.

The actual, independent experts have demanded a recall because its unsafe.

Only the delusional will believe a company report over that.

And yes, they're ugly. And badly built. Very, very badly built.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496997#Comment_121496997

Wondering if that report excludes the Teslas that disengages autopilot pre crash. On top of that, independent reports rather than Tesla reports are relevant. Every company will make it self look fantastic in their studies that they make public...

Forbes actually have a writeup on the quality of their reports. But I'm sure you did the necessary digging rather than going direct to Tesla, right?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-again-paints-a-very-misleading-story-with-their-crash-data/

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121495811#Comment_121495811

Some people might have got killed, but we'll fix it in the next update.

(for anyone who hasn't worked in IT, "we'll fix it in the next update" equates to "the cheque is in the post" or "I promise I won't **** in your *****")

Hotblack Desiato

Ugh well that's me definitely not joining Mastodon then.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496742#Comment_121496742

The fact that he'd launch a half-arsed feature and call it "Autopilot", practically begging it to be misused, means that yes blood is on his hands.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496996#Comment_121496996

It's sad to see - no, actually a disgrace to see - a company like Tesla make all of the same mistakes which were made in the aviation world decades ago, and then add a few new ones on top.

Autopilot - the real one, for planes - is fine within what it's meant to do but has to be monitored at all times. When the shít hits the fan it'll throw its robotic hands in the air, disconnect, and "let the pilot take over" - except having let the aircraft get into that state, the pilot clearly isn't up to speed with what the aircraft is doing so the chances of figuring out what is wrong and correcting it in time are slim.

The parallels with Tesla's half-baked "Autopilot" are obvious, how many has Elon's marketing gimmick killed so far? Cnut.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497302#Comment_121497302

It seems many of Mastodon instances, including the main Irish one (Mastodon.ie) have blocked it entirely on the basis that they simply don't federate Meta.

That being said, it looks like a large % of Irish Twitter are rapidly appearing on it. Advertisers are also very comfortable with Instagram in particular. It's likely Threads will soak up a lot of previous Twitter advertising spend that had abandoned X.

AndrewJRenko

I wonder how many Boards accounts de Mammeh has?

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496742#Comment_121496742

Do you really believe an in-house company report is gonna be more credible than an independent report of the same issue? On any issue at that?

Cordell

There is no contradiction between these two reports. The safety record report shows that autopilot is generally safe, much more safer than human drivers, and the one calling for the recall highlights a safety concern which Tesla acknowledged and they will fix it.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497618#Comment_121497618

Except when the numbers are analysed that's not what it says at all or did you just choose to not read the forbes article posted above? It breaks down the data and clarifies many of the inaccuracies and bad data Tesla are trying to skew the narrative with

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-again-paints-a-very-misleading-story-with-their-crash-data/

Ill post a key passage you might be interested in

users of Autopilot have a roughly similar number of crashes to those not using it

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497618#Comment_121497618

Reminds me of

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497618#Comment_121497618

Except, as pointed out in the Forbes report, it does not actually show it's "much safer". It also doesn't differentiate between the kinds of roads it occurred on. It's pretty intentional that they don't dig into their statistics or make them public.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497618#Comment_121497618

Others have pointed out, but there absolutely is a contradiction going on here.

But it's all just bad press, and as always with news on Musk/Tesla on this thread it's entirely self inflicted. Good that they're fixing it, better still the wireless aspects allows it to be done remotely. But still. Drip drip drip.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497715#Comment_121497715

You may have to read it more in depth to discover that the analysis which lead to that conclusion included his own bias and interpretation of other sources , and included things like fender benders, anything that resulted in a police and/or insurance report while not necessarily being a safety risk. All that while he himself acknowledges that he should not be doing that because Tesla buyers are a specific demographic with historically very low accident rate.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497910#Comment_121497910

Has the in-house Tesla report been normalised to ensure the age profile and availability of safety features (not auto-pilot) are accounted for?

The Tesla "install-base" is going to be a lot newer than the average for the overall car market.

Newer cars are ALL safer than older cars , that's just a fact. A car with ABS/Traction control is safer than one without etc.

Are Teslas safer than a comparable sample of the rest of the market when normalised for age and other factors?

That's why internal reports are generally speaking to be taken with a massive helping of salt.

pixelburp

Let's get back to more useful topics: laughing at the Cybertruck.

Here's one being rescued by a Ford, its wheels spinning and incapable of dealing with a simple incline. Now, to be fair: it's possible it has the wrong tyres cos you can get grippier ones, I presume that's what the "aired down" refers to here as an alternative to snow tyres. And no pickup ore recovery points? good lord. Does back up the idea that only dimwits might buy this truck.

(Plus it also looks like the chancer was trying to cut down and take home their own Xmas tree, which is a bit cheeky to say the least)

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0uxBW5v_Bl/?igshid=ZTcxMWMzOWQ1OA==

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497910#Comment_121497910

Plenty of people have raised concerns about the accuracy and transparency of their reports. They could simply publicly release the data for analysis or independently verify it if they were confident in accuracy.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-crash-elon-musk-autopilot-safety-data-flaws-experts-nhtsa-2021-4?r=US&IR=T

https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-safety-statistics/

I would say more than anything, that you tend to conclude Elon is wonderful in every way so tend to be happy with cherry picked data to support your conclusions. Also worth remembering that this is the same company that was happy to mislead in relation to accidents in the workplace so wouldn't be surprising for them to do it with their cars as well.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498307#Comment_121498307

It's definitely the wrong tyres on the wrong car. A car that is supposed to be driven on that terrain would have its own winch.

And how do you know he didn't pay for the tree or he's not on his land? Why do you assume he stole it, because that's what it would be, theft, not bein cheeky.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498352#Comment_121498352

The car was rescued having gone off trail if you read the description; that's why it needed the tow in the first place; and given the Xmas tree on the roof & the myriad of similar trees in the background - it's a pretty safe 2 + 2 here.

And the Cybertruck advertises itself as an all terrain vehicle. Your words are at odds with Tesla's own marketing here, dunno why you keep insisting the intention was never for rural locations. Like. Go to the website, the first promotional video has it navigating rivers, mountains and all sorts.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496742#Comment_121496742

Totally disingenuous of you on two counts.

(1) Comparing Teslas driven on highways with other vehicles driven on all roads, including roads which are far less safe than highways.

(2) Talking about Full Self Driving when what is under discussion is Autopilot. Musk chose to use the Autopilot name for a limited driver assistance feature, knowing that customers would think it was full self driving and misuse it in that way and that people would die as a result, but it sells more cars so why would a billionaire sociopath care?

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498444#Comment_121498444

No one, absolutely no one, will take their shiny stainless steel pride and joy on a muddy snowy trail. Marketing **** and actual market study and targeting are completely different things.

K-9

Just like nobody would be gullible enough to believe Autopilot is an actual.................

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498550#Comment_121498550

I dunno what you want here: Tesla and Musk have promoted the Cybertruck as an all terrain, pickup truck vehicle since day 0. You say "market study" like this was some kind of considered project pursued with rigour. We know it's not and a vanity project of Musk's - a man you can hardly accuse of indulging in "marketing ****".

You're right, nobody in their right mind would take this off road, yet: I just shared someone doing that and b. therein lies the entire folly of the whole enterprise. Musk has chased a project with no sane pathway to success. It is the Homer, rendered by someone who watched Blade Runner too many times.

Wikipedia is as always, a neat summation of this personal project.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Cybertruck#history

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498596#Comment_121498596

Come on, it can't be news to you that some products are sold associated with images that are never intended to be real. Like marketing material with healthy gorgeous middle class people eating from some fast food chain while we all know what kind of people they are actually targeting.

They are selling an upper middle class middle age crisis town car, not an offroader.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498550#Comment_121498550

Are you denying the reality of the video that was posted? Someone literally did what you are claiming nobody would do. Also like others have pointed out this has been marketed as all terrain from day one, blaming the customers because musk lied and they should have known better is kinda just proving everyone's point about him.