So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120003961#Comment_120003961

I've seen some of his supporters try argue that this shows Sweeney was trying to extort Musk, totally ignoring that Musk made the initial contact and offer and Sweeney made a perfectly reasonable counter offer. The excuses for his childish behavior will never end.

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004052#Comment_120004052

I saw some ridiculous excuses and takes on this situation. The simple truth is if musk defecated on their door step they’d stick it on their fridge and take a selfie with it. Some people are just too far gone in the head.

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120003994#Comment_120003994

Well I would say it’s you redefining parameters, making it sound like Twitter was just banning accounts depending on speech it “didn’t like”, and by extension framing Musks recent actions as sort of business as usual, rather than saying twitter would ban accounts that violated the terms of service, and usually after repeated violations too - and Musk hasn’t a clue what he’s doing.

Silentcorner

Where are the Musk supporters?

All I see are a few posters who are pushing back on the hysterics of the usual bunch...one poster even tried to allude to a Musk/Putin alliance on here, if that's not an over reaction to a Billionaire, who is probably a thundering prat, who simply made a s##t decision then I don't know what is?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004050#Comment_120004050

You can have any colour you like as long as its black?

JohnJoFitz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004163#Comment_120004163

I'd say Musk supporters are few and far between. Its childish stuff calling posters "Musk fans/supporters/fanboys etc", but he really seems to have upset the luvvies so fair play to him on that account, - Note that doesn't make me a fan - I couldn't care less if he is begging on the street by the New Year.

Basically anyone who is not weeping and wailing about the nasty billionaire who stole their beloved virtue signaling platform is a "Musk fan".

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120003234#Comment_120003234

Trump and Musk are basically the same grifting character, there is absolutely no shock that those who are taken in by one are also taken in by the other.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004264#Comment_120004264

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004163#Comment_120004163

Lol.

Very good. Get people to do the work for you. Very "billionaire" way of thinking 😂

You could just have a look over the last 10 pages or less and see who's been sticking up for the heartless moron and who hasn't.

"Pushing back" get in the sea 🤣

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004262#Comment_120004262

It's a mad phenomenon that Twitter has played a huge part in creating. People can't think straight anymore, it's only a matter of time before those of us who are simply interested in what is currently happening in twitter are called Anti Vax/Far Right/Conspiracy theorists or some such, invariably by a poster with a long history of hysterics!! You can tell, how many have spent time on twitter over the years. It's not a healthy place to be spending time, the fact it hasn't been profitable for most of it's life should be ringing alarm bells in twitter users...but apparently not tho!!

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004305#Comment_120004305

Do you think trying to link Musk with Putin is a little hysterical?

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004316#Comment_120004316

In fairness, he did it himself a few weeks ago when he presented Putin's plan for ending the war

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004310#Comment_120004310

There are plenty in here who have been defending him over the course of the thread, from saying how much of an amazing businessman he’s been to how he was going to bring free speech back to twitter.

I mean, we’re in a thread that is specifically about Elon Musk and how he runs Twitter. Coming in here to complain about what posters are saying about Elon comes across as an implicit show of support for him at least.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004406#Comment_120004406

I believe it was his suggestions for ending the war, and it was a poll...which I agree, could be construed as some kind association, but it could also be a bit of a stretch. I mean, his ego does seem big enough to think he could play a part in ending a war!!!

The guy doesn't come across like an impressive individual, my only memory of him when when he smashed the window on his new unbreakable glass.

But it is a bit much to suggest his is working with Putin. I'm sorry, but it is, I'm losing count on the amount of people who are accused of being a Russian "puppet", I really am!!

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004421#Comment_120004421

I' sorry, I don't agree with the premise of your argument.

He is a wealthy guy. An unpleasant one, but you won't meet too many wealthy guys (in the billionaire bracket) who aren't unpleasant underneath it all.

So while I certainly am interested in what is happening in Twitter currently, and it's implications across the digital media sphere, that does not make anything other than a curious onlooker. The difficulty is there is a real story here in Twitter instead we get distracted by what are, to be fair, are hysterical view points.

Timberrrrrrrr

So Musk/Twitter are now flagging any links to mastodon as "malware" 🤣

https://twitter.com/briankrebs/status/1603789611192307716?t=6DH3P8ed3bt8riSqaK-bYg&s=09

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004262#Comment_120004262

His fans are hysterical like one directions fans except their generally older,fatter,bitter and balder. I don’t see anyone weeping or wailing on this thread just pointing out how much of a thin skinned hypocritical little itch he is.

Paints himself a free speech crusader but in reality he’s cracking down on any dissenting voices like a paranoid despot. Seems like calling out musk for his actions not following what he says= Luuvie virtue signaller. That’s the kind of thickery that’s attracted to musk so maybe you’re a secret fanboy yourself lol.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004429#Comment_120004429

He basically spouted off Putins wishlist as a way to end the war, people are right to be suspicious of his intentions and who he might be influenced by when he is so blatantly partisan in such a situation.

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004446#Comment_120004446

I would consider most here are curious onlookers without any vested interest in Twitter itself, it is fascinating to watch a previously successful businessman publicly lose the plot in the way that he is.

And I should clarify that these posters by and large refuse to actually discuss Musks actions. They may come in and point out that links to Putin are fanciful(which I think they are), but will not say anything about how he has backtracked on so many of his original promises, how he’s losing so much money he’s burning through Tesla stock etc. If posters could be objective it would be easier to believe they’re just calling out bullshit. When all they do is try to call out other posters as incorrect or hypocritical while refusing to even engage about his verifiable lies, then I would have to say they are a Musk supporter even if they don’t flat out say it.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004539#Comment_120004539

Ya there's a lot of validity to that, it is a sight to watch a famous billionaire make a complete prat of himself.

There is also a refusal to discuss the Twitter files also, which has much more of an impact on our actual lives. Dismissing the twitter files as a "nothing burger" is not an honest position in my view.

Timberrrrrrrr

Hopefully he's pulling the plug.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603804175858429952?t=L6izPeR-y5f0qTYyXkYrOw&s=09

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004575#Comment_120004575

So far it's a nothing burger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files

If anything it's highlighting that the previous crowd, whilst not perfect, did a better job than Musk is presently doing.

The whole Twitter file thing smacks of petty revenge, scoring cheap points with the MAGA crowd and deflecting from the current train-wreck.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004634#Comment_120004634

Ya, I'm not sure it is tho...I mean, I can certainly understand why certain media and political entities would like us all to think it's a nothing burger, but there is evidence the company implemented certain restrictions on political figures and political observers. On what planet could that be a nothing burger, we know that the NYT or Fox are ideologically compromised, but the Social Media giants are not supposed to be. Are the files fake? If so that needs to be investigated. If the files are not fake, that needs to be investigated.

If we accept they are real then we also have to accept that there was Govt involvement in how Twitter imposed restrictions, at least that is what the files imply, if that is the case then that is explosive news. These are very influential entities, Twitter, Facebook and Google, and they have spent a looooot of money in Washington over the years lobbying politicians, many of whom rely on that platform.

"scoring cheap points with the Maga crowd" is not really a valid position to take, Musk has bought a financially failing company for $44 billion, a deal he tried and failed to get out of...to suggest he is attempting to score cheap points (whatever that means) with people with a different viewpoint to yourself is a pathetic charge to make to be honest, but, you'll get loads of folks agreeing with you here!!!

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004634#Comment_120004634

Some wag pointed out how unusual it was that the media personalitys all started spamming the word "nothingburger" as soon as Musk started to let people dig into what was going, followed by the NPCs who parroted the word in their wake

I start to see their point

nullzero

Twitter banning people pre Musk was acceptable but Twitter banning people under Musk is an outrage?

There's references to Musk engaging in cheap point scoring since his take over but that's all Twitter seems to have ever been about its just suiting one cohort more than the other nowadays.

Ultimately the argument about social media companies being private entities that can operate as they see fit was seen as a way to end all arguments of this type previously now it's not good enough according to the people who used that logic previously.

Twitter was a platform where a particular bias was evident now that's not the case any more and that's not going to stand according to some.

To most people it's inconsequential except for those amongst us who are only able to see life through the lens of the "culture war".

Should journalists be banned from Twitter? You'd like to think not, but we're I a narcissistic billionaire who owned such a platform and journalists were using that platform to share my personal information I'd probably be banning them too.

You can't expect to behave like that and continue to use the platform and we're it some MAGA hat wearing Trump supporters being banned under the previous owners there'd be nothing but positive comments about it here and elsewhere.

Musk is I'm sure every bit as unpleasant as we'd all like to believe a billionaire might be but it's odd how upset people are getting about Twitter when the solution is to just stop using it which seems to be beyond a lot of the people going out of their way to voice their displeasure with Musk owning it.

To me it seems like some people just want their echo chamber back, they want their own brand of punitive bannings and censorship but won't stand for a different flavour of the same that doesn't favour them.

Time to grow up and move on. If you don't want to support Twitter stop using it, it's as simple as that.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004693#Comment_120004693

As far as Govt involvement, Biden wasn't in power when requests were made. Trump admin were in power and made similar requests that were granted yet the clear attempt to twist the narrative by Musk is to attack his enemies on the left. He won't release all the files to reporters who he didnt self select is a clear sign he is hiding things, while also threatening his staff if they leak anything.

I don't believe they were but even if it is true, why are social media giants 'not supposed to be' ideologically compromised? They can run their business however they want - just like Musk is clearly doing since he was forced to buy twitter.

It is a complete nothing burger.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004618#Comment_120004618

It’s possible he’s using coup de grâce in the Del Boy Trotter school French context.

I’ve heard a few people using that phrase in business jargon contexts, talking about their own company and assuming it had some positive meaning rather than they want to euthanise a half dead brand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004732#Comment_120004732

Journalists were banned for reporting the news. Doing their job. They never doxxed him, or gave out his address.

The Elon Jet thing is a 1st amendment right apparently. Do you think Musk gets to override that, because he's Musk?

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004736#Comment_120004736

I know Biden wasn't in power. That is the point. There is evidence of bias. There is evidence of FBI involvement. I've no doubt that Trump admin made similar requests, but I don't know of any media outlets in the US that attempted to cover up the existence of a damaging laptop during a charged election cycle. The former CEO certainly hasn't voiced any concern with what has been released, and he has given evidence under oath to the contrary.

If we think of it another way, would we be happy if we discovered evidence of collusion between Fg/FF and twitter to suppress the reach of SF politicians/political supporters. I still remember the scandal when RTE "intervened" in the election of Michael D Higgins in 2011...so lets not pretend there isn't potentially a massive story here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004774#Comment_120004774

Emmmm... Pretty certain that there is a very prevalent anti SF stance in Irish Times/ Irish Independent and I've heard talk 😉 of how harder people from SF are interviewed on RTE compared to FF/FG

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004788#Comment_120004788

I completely agree with you..don't get me started on Irish media...but media companies are not Social media companies. Social media companies are afforded protections news organisations aren't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004798#Comment_120004798

Three examples of these protections please.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004815#Comment_120004815

You can say what you like on Twitter or Facebook about an Irish billionaire and neither company will face any consequence, but if you do it in a newspaper different story. That protection is on the premise that Social media is a public utility, like a phone, or energy.

This was an incredibly petty move. I heard the spaces interaction. He was very politely questioned about a few things by a number of journalists in a spaces meeting he randomly joined, he hung up and then seems to have removed the entire Spaces feature!

https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/16/23512930/elon-musk-twitter-spaces-washington-post-new-york-times-banned

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004773#Comment_120004773

He gets to ban whomever he pleases from his platform I guess. Just like his predecessors.

He's living rent free in the heads of a lot of people.

The notion that there should be punitive measures taken by governments against Twitter now that it isn't toeing the line some people want it to is laughable.

If you've got a problem with Twitter stop using it and stop talking about it. Move on from it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004826#Comment_120004826

Yeah, because the paper is responsible for hiring the people that put out content, last time I checked anyone is allowed post on Facebook/Twitter.

It's not "a protection" afforded Facebook or Twitter, it's a different beast.

In actual fact, you can sue for online defamation, and in certain cases, name the hosting bodies ie; Facebook & Twitter.

https://aclsolicitors.ie/social-media-and-the-potential-for-defamation-in-ireland/

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004852#Comment_120004852

I have no idea what law the EU thinks is can introduce on a private platform GDPR is about as far as they could go. And that just to be in the market. They can ban the POTUS with no recourse. Being on twitter for example would not be a human rights angle.

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004833#Comment_120004833

It’s clear to anyone with a functioning brain that he is unhinged and unraveling at a Kanye speed. I think getting booed at Dave Chappell really spooked him. He’s probably surrounded by arse lickers 24/7 so a dose of reality was too much for him, bless. The “woke” apparently hate Dave Chappell so it’s hard to play it was the “woke” who booed him at a Dave Chappell event but reality doesn’t matter to these sorts.

This whole plane doxxing episode means he’s incredibly dumb because that account had what 200k followers, vast majority of people didn’t know it existed(similar ones for bezos,Putin etc). Now he has placed it under a microscope and it has made headlines. He brought about as much attention to something he didn’t want anyone to know about as he possibly could. People can still track his plane, the only thing that’s different now is that number will have increased exponentially. What a genius eh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004852#Comment_120004852

You know twitter was instrumental in many social justice movements? It's pretty hard to "move on from it" when it was such an effective organiser for individuals and groups, all because a billionaire has a bee in his bonnet.

I don't really use twitter anymore. I requested my data today so I can delete my profile. I'm interested to see when they'll stop offering that to people.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004774#Comment_120004774

What are you talking about government interference then if you know Biden wasn't in power? This is the usual right wing trying to play victim of an imagined conspiracy monster and thankfully this time everyone is just shrugging, as they should.

I don't think there would be any scandal if a representative of Michael Martin requested RTE not display a naked picture of one of his children on their website that was hacked from a laptop.

There is far more evidence of right wing media outlets suppressing negative stories about Trump and the GOP, at times even buying stories just to bury them.

Again, I dont agree that there is evidence in the Twitter files of bias, but even if there was so what? Twitter is a private company, they can be as biased as they want - just like we are seeing now with Musk taking over.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004732#Comment_120004732

Twitter banning people pre Musk was acceptable but Twitter banning people under Musk is an outrage?

Oversimplification of the issue.

Musk seems to be suspending or banning accounts based on his personal subjective views rather than strictly set ToS, rules, etc. To use an analogy, it would be a bit like a new Boards owner autocratically banning a bunch of people he/she simply didn't like.

Time to grow up and move on. If you don't want to support Twitter stop using it, it's as simple as that.

Not really anything to do with "growing up". Whether or not we like it, Twitter is very widely used as a global platform to exchange information, is used by everyone from presidents, to companies, to news agencies. It's had the power to move markets, move elections, reach billions, etc. If a new owner is going to act like a petulant child and smash the platform up, then obviously that has repercussions.

There's no immediate alternative, even if there was, would probably take a long time to switch.

Snake Plisken

Musk should permaban all those journalists who published his info

https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1603748611896283137?s=19

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004869#Comment_120004869

It seems so petty and pointless. Maybe it's cathartic for some people but it seems like a big waste of time.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004880#Comment_120004880

Have social justice movements been officially banned from Twitter?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004898#Comment_120004898

The only way I think they could do anything is create some kind of watchdog like for news. GL getting any social media company agreeing to that.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004893#Comment_120004893

I can take on board what you're saying but it doesn't negate the fact that when the boot was on the other foot the people who take issue with new Twitter were happy to see people they didn't like banned.

There's almost an assumption that Twitter was some altruistic utopia pre Musk which isn't an honest interpretation of what it really was.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004869#Comment_120004869

That would be the EU's Digital Services Act.

There's thousands of current EU laws that govern both private and public companies. Companies operating in the EU have to abide by them, you're coming across like Twitter is a special company and laws shouldn't or can't be applied to them.

Doctor Jimbob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004914#Comment_120004914

Twitter has always been a cesspit. The issue isn’t really that Musk is doing anything worse than before, it’s that he’s making himself out to be a champion of free speech when really he wants to ban anyone he doesn’t agree with for petty reasons.

He is 100% within his rights to do so, but he could at least be honest about it.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004894#Comment_120004894

No he didnt thats specifically why Sweeney was able to continue posting his planes info, if he had a PIA sweeney wouldnt have had access to the flight data. That tweet is a lie which is typical of that pool moron, you know how I know that? Because all his jets are still searchable on the FAA as well as other flight tracking sites.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-private-jet-no-longer-appearing-on-public-tracking-2022-12?r=US&IR=T

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004930#Comment_120004930

Do we have a link to the relevant section on banning people.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004914#Comment_120004914

When you're talking about boots on the other foot, it is those who are fine with or even celebrating Musk using his powers to ban people for whatever he likes who are screaming about the Twitter Files being a huge scandal.

They want to have their cake and scream victim too.