So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

silliussoddius

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Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333972#Comment_121333972

It does seem to frame the question in a positive light for pedos. It is framing it like a transaction.

Granted I hope anyone hitting yes goes on a list like immediately. Also whoever asked the question should be on a list.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333982#Comment_121333982

Thing is, pricing is very much so targeted at the general EV market and they do pretty much dominate the US market atm. I'm just very much so hoping that lead dwindles in the coming years.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121334384#Comment_121334384

The tweet is laying out a (seedy) scenario and asking for people's opinions. The only way I could say it's putting pedophilia in a positive light is in the risk of normalising it by even asking the question out loud at all, but on the other hand you may not expose some dodgy attitudes if you don't ask the question. The user is framing it as a transaction because that's the scenario they're outlining, with money being involved and parental consent.

Should this question be allowed on Musk's Twitter? I would say 'yes' with some asterisks. Asterisk one - a NSFW/over 18 flag. Asterisk two - is there a suspicion that the user is deliberately trolling or 'just asking questions' in a bad faith sense? That second one would be a lot more of a grey area, as you don't truly know what's going through someone's head when they're posting something so provocative, but I suspect they know that there'd be at least as much debate about the validity of the question as there would about the scenario outlined.

Stark

I'm far from a freedumb of speech absolutist but I think that tweet should be left up there purely as a warning flag to anyone who might come across him.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121335082#Comment_121335082

It doesn't work like that unfortunately. He gets views, he gets followers, ultimately it only encourages it

Allowing extreme material generates more fringe material, some of which grows exponentially. For example, Google and Youtube used to freely allow conspiracy material on their sites - however it reached a stage whereby you'd look up the moon landings or 9/11 and get thousands of conspiracy hits rather than information.

Despite recent best efforts, the internet is still a major haven and megaphone for cranks, misogynists', charlatans, bigots, scammers, populists, quacks, you name it. Look at Elon, he's down a rabbit hole of anti-vax stuff and far-right material - all using "free speech absolutism" as an excuse to vent and highlight extreme views.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121330706#Comment_121330706

Ukraine, in particular the Donbas, is sitting on millions of tonnes of lithium and huge untapped gas reserves. Ukraine will be the EU's fuel tank.

pixelburp

The successes keep coming: Microsoft left back in April IIRC, but now Sony have removed Twitter support from the "instant share" button that has been on their Playstation controllers since the 4th console; YouTube and Facebook integration remain though I doubt anyone who used that function connected to FB, lol. Presumably musk tried to strongarm Sony into paying out for their Twitter API but the games company going "no thank you, it's not that critical a feature". Shame though, cos it was a handy little thing to just instantly share bugs, cool stuff, etc.

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1721608444615311637

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333972#Comment_121333972

Disagree.

Even asking whether something like that is acceptable is moving the Overton window.

silliussoddius

Big things coming in the next few years, to be fair these are Elon years we’re talking about.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1721908936863871243

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121342342#Comment_121342342

Ready in a few years..... how many monkeys have they mutilated now with zero to show for it?

pixelburp

There's no money in the world that'd persuade me to plug a chip into my head; Musk or no Musk. It's interesting that the angle he's taking is about bringing autonomy to paralysed people, so it'll be curious if that particular avenue yields test subjects.

eightieschewbaccy

I'm getting such Theranos vibes off of this project.

Agent Coulson

Juat waiting for him to annouce the teleportation button that will be attached to X next and of course once it gets regulatory approval for our first human tests.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121342603#Comment_121342603

He has nothing close the the charisma and charm Elizabeth Holmes had at her peak. Yes she was a charlatan but we all only really found that out after Theranos had become a black hole for money and talent. Everyone already knows Musk is a charlatan who doesn't actually do any of the work and is the worst kind of "ideas man" because he has no actual idea of what it takes to make any of his ideas a reality.

Kevrano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333972#Comment_121333972

It’s a loaded question. Plus the request to disclose gender. It’s quite sinister.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121342564#Comment_121342564

And 20 years ago, you may have declined to put a listening device in your home, but look how many now do essentially that. A chip in the your head will no doubt be sold on the wonderful benefits and not the nefarious pitfalls, as all this stuff is.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349957#Comment_121349957

I think bodily invasion will be a step too far. The internet of things is easily reverted by simply turning off or removing your Alexa or whatnot; surgery and medical intrusion is a big hurdle at the best of times without people opting into having a chip installed (permanently?) into their brain. Ditto the anxiety over cognitive decline; it's a hot topic already WRT Alzheimer's or Concussion. I do believe people will not buy into their heads being tinkered with. Cyberpunk is a neat fiction with an arresting and seductive aesthetic but I'm not convinced it has a place in reality

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349957#Comment_121349957

an Alexa device does not have the potential to cause irreparable brain damage.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349957#Comment_121349957

I would have been fine with it 20 years ago. I mean we had phones and webcams were just coming out.

And there's a huge difference between brain surgery and a speaker with a mic.

Plus I hadn't heard loads of stories about monkeys dying because of the speakers. :)

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349981#Comment_121349981

Every time I envision a chip in someone's head I start to think of which external entity would have ultimate control over that chip. A private company with their own financial interests at heart is producing mind altering chips is, quite possibly, the most realistic dystopian future I can imagine.

You'll end up having to watch a 10 second advert before you can proceed to think of anything. 😄

Me: "Hmmm...I wonder what I'll have for dinner tonight?"

Chip: "Hey Tone! Have you tried new curry in a can! It's a whole curry in a can! Curry in a can...from Knorr."

Me: FFS...I think I'll have a chilli.

😡

swampgas

I imagine the legal liability for a chip in your brain (or just somehow connected to your nervous system somehow) would be tricky to figure out. Would a US health insurer refuse to cover you if you had one fitted?

It's one thing killing monkeys (there's something deeply unpleasant about that kind of animal testing too, IMO) but having real live humans die, or have fits, or get dementia after having something like that fitted - yeah, can't see it happening.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349984#Comment_121349984

depends on what height you drop it from.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351920#Comment_121351920

Or if you ask it to play Christmas music once Halloween is over.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349981#Comment_121349981

I think this kind of thing has genuine potential for serious medical issues eg MS, Parkinsons. However it's the kind of thing I'd have confidence with medical research groups pursuing rather than likes of Musk. Body enhancement crap I think isn't happening any time soon plus even how our bodies will cope with such implanted technology.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351916#Comment_121351916

They'll probably refuse to cover you if you don't...

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352007#Comment_121352007

There's potential and there's Musk's sci fi fantasies.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352043#Comment_121352043

Yep, idiots playing in this area is more likely to damage the credibility of the field.

francois

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121352043#Comment_121352043

There will be more than enough blue tick simps willing to chance a lobotomy for God Elmo

PopePalpatine

SpaceX are really committing to moving fast and breaking things. It's a shame some of those things are people.

Here are some highlights:

Musk himself at times appeared cavalier about safety on visits to SpaceX sites: Four employees said he sometimes played with a novelty flamethrower and discouraged workers from wearing safety yellow because he dislikes bright colors.

The lax safety culture, more than a dozen current and former employees said, stems in part from Musk’s disdain for perceived bureaucracy and a belief inside SpaceX that it’s leading an urgent quest to create a refuge in space from a dying Earth.

“Elon’s concept that SpaceX is on this mission to go to Mars as fast as possible and save humanity permeates every part of the company,” said Tom Moline, a former SpaceX senior avionics engineer who was among a group of employees fired after raising workplace complaints. “The company justifies casting aside anything that could stand in the way of accomplishing that goal, including worker safety.”

[..]

The more than 600 SpaceX injuries Reuters documented represent only a portion of the total case count, a figure that is not publicly available. OSHA has required companies to report their total number of injuries annually since 2016, but SpaceX facilities failed to submit reports for most of those years. About two-thirds of the injuries Reuters uncovered came in years when SpaceX did not report that annual data, which OSHA collects to help prioritize on-site inspections of potentially dangerous workplaces.

[..]

The 2022 injury rate at the company’s manufacturing-and-launch facility near Brownsville, Texas, was 4.8 injuries or illnesses per 100 workers – six times higher than the space-industry average of 0.8. Its rocket-testing facility in McGregor, Texas, where LeBlanc died, had a rate of 2.7, more than three times the average. The rate at its Hawthorne, California, manufacturing facility was more than double the average at 1.8 injuries per 100 workers. The company’s facility in Redmond, Washington, had a rate of 0.8, the same as the industry average.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121354432#Comment_121354432

Four employees said he sometimes played with a novelty flamethrower and discouraged workers from wearing safety yellow because he dislikes bright colors.

Bloody héll. That was grim and depressing to read. Not content with mercurial social media obsession, he's an outright dangerous perhaps negligent employer. A few civil cases might soften his cough. Hopefully this Reuters article turns heads in that sphere

Why use your wealth to help the world's problems now when you can build your own little prison on Mars and be God Emperor; and the injury and death to get there is a sacrifice of people he's willing to make.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121342728#Comment_121342728

Let's hope he's shows true leadership and becomes the first candidate for teleportation himself.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355539#Comment_121355539

Careful: do you really want to run the risk of there suddenly being TWO Elon Musks knocking about the place? I've watched enough Star Trek to know how these things tend to go...

After all, if we invent teleportation it'll likely be a copy machine, not full down to the atom teleportation

Harika

So funny

https://twitter.com/TheWapplehouse/status/1723333417918447918

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355820#Comment_121355820

Good lord.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121355820#Comment_121355820

On the one hand and to be a little fair, it is a test track so the point would be to iron out the bugs anyway; on the other hand, JFC this thing is a monster and the fact straight out the gate can't handle a basic incline? If that footage goes viral it may kill the reputation before it has a chance to develop.

Harika

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356455#Comment_121356455

Oh it's quite viral, especially compared to the rusty truck that takes it without issue, while laughing at the Tesla.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356455#Comment_121356455

I imagine the vast majority of buyers will never let the truck even touch a blade of grass never mind take it fully off-road. They're more likely to be buying it as a status thing. It's essentially a blue tick on wheels.

Cookie_Monster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356892#Comment_121356892

Dunno, maybe. But utes/pickups tend to be used and used heavily by owners compared to SUVs that are just symbols

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121356892#Comment_121356892

I'm not even sure there's anywhere near the volume of drivers here who'd covet this thing as a status symbol; I can't imagine Musk's fans would have the income to afford it and cant see this being the new Humvee for middle+ class idiots.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357327#Comment_121357327

I'm doubtful if this would even be road legal here.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357331#Comment_121357331

I have question marks it's road legal even in the US. No idea if car design/safety rules are state or federal level

Alun

I'm surprised too. Remember the ugly big plastic bumpers that had to be fitted to European cars in the US to meet pedestrian safety standards back in the 70s ? That thing looks like it'd slice any pedestrian in two if it was in a collision with one!

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357371#Comment_121357371

I googled it and found a couple of articles like this

Because the Cybertruck is classed as a light duty truck in the USA, it gets exemptions from many safety regulations, including for pedestrian safety. That’s not the case in Europe, however.

https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/tesla-cybertruck-production-europe-news/

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357390#Comment_121357390

Yeah I found another article saying it wasn't her clear if the truck would qualify as a light duty truck cos the final weight isn't confirmed. It did say that neither federal body that tests cars in the US has had a look at the Cybertruck yet, the only test an internal one - conveniently. Given Musk's behaviour with his employees' safety I'd question if passing these tests has even figured in his demands.

magicbastarder

Apparently Tesla have included a 'no resale within a year' clause with it.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-buyers-no-resale-policy/

Flaneur OBrien

I can see Musk throwing his toys out of his pram if it’s not allowed to be sold in Europe for safety reasons.

It really is minging though. No idea who would want one.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357409#Comment_121357409

Seriously? WTAF like.

magicbastarder

maybe they're afraid that demand will be so much stronger than supply that people will be reselling them for significantly higher than RRP.

or that there won't be reports of disgruntled owners selling their POS posemobile because they're so disappointed in it, flooding the market with secondhand ones and crashing demand for new ones?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121357573#Comment_121357573

Just a bit of an overreach either way, thinking that they get to control the life of the buyer for a year. Would such a provision even be enforceable here, given the constitutional protection of private property?