So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096514#Comment_119096514

Wasn't it Harvey Weinstein once known as " the most powerful man in Hollywood " who personally donated over 750k of his own cash to democrat politicians and was one of if not the largest fundraiser for the democratic party.

He was most definitely "on the left". Bill Clinton would be another example. A regular visitor to Epstein island.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096924#Comment_119096924

And wasn't he known for blackballing actors and paying lots them off too? Plenty of victims of his never reported cause it was unlikely to get a conviction, I'm not planning to leap to the defense of him but you guys are pretty happy to attack this woman... Apologism for harassment always seems to be popular among a certain group of posters.

Tonesjones

Andrew Cuomo would be another one.

I just hope that those who are morally outraged regarding the alleged behaviour of Musk were just as vocal and displayed the same level of distain when those mentioned above were accused and proven of worse. Its not just political is it? Surely not.

The irony

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096924#Comment_119096924

Exactly my point. There are people who will defend or minimise the actions of those on their side, but if the accused was on the other side they'd be completely condemning them.

Say for example Epstein. There are those who do their best to bring up the Clinton's links to Epstein, while ignoring not just videos of Trump hanging out with Epstein looking at women, but also the actual lawsuit which was brought against Trump by a woman who, while underage and working for Epstein, says Trump assaulted/raped her.

But here's the thing; whatever side they're on should be irrelevant. If there's evidence against Trump, he should be prosecuted. If there's evidence against Clinton, he should be prosecuted. Both should be condemned for their actions. Both should be held accountable for their actions.

But now with Musk being accused of sexual improprieties and given that he says he's now a Republican, there are people here saying it's happening because he's now a Republican or just downplaying the accusations as "Well she took the money". His political affiliation should be irrelevant. If he was a Democrat, he should still be called out for his actions.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097000#Comment_119097000

Pretty sure I and others have had posts about how Cuomo was a creep and wished him good riddance. Equally I've called out posters who downplayed Weinstein's actions, ironically enough one of them was a Trump supporter.

So, just to clarify, do you think it was okay for Musk to expose himself to an employee?

Tonesjones

I would say in general Musk was if not liked then admired by many for his ambition and as a driver of innovation but recently since he has become more vocal and has chosen to be "on the side of the right" suddenly he is detested by those on the left.

It would be exactly the same if the other way around too. There is no going back either

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119095035#Comment_119095035

No they haven't. They were knocked out of the esg index which is basically how ethical or socially responsible the company is... They knocked off tesla yet there's oil companies on it 🤣

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096858#Comment_119096858

I know you wouldn't accuse me of racism Emmet. Because it would be wrong and it would also earn you an infraction.

You are best sticking to throwing out vague (but also pointed) insinuations or racism against people you disagree with, even when it's not even remotely connected to the topic.

"People here are defending Elon musk? If he was black, they'd hate him"

Ridiculous and baseless. Also casts the idea that if you defend Elon musk you are "with the racists". Not really good faith posting Emmet. You also forgot to throw in your incorrect usage of quotation marks.

#bekind

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097000#Comment_119097000

Question is; even if they weren't as vocal about condemning Cuomo.... were they defending him? Were they saying "Well those women stayed working there so it's obviously not a big deal"? Were they saying "Those women are only coming forward now when Cuomo is becoming more popular and coming up for re-election"?

Actively defending someone requires a higher level of planting your flag than simply not commenting.

Pussyhands

Elon can't go through with the deal now. I wouldn't either. The market has tanked even further since he agreed the price.

I saw miggeldy on about musk again on Friday, complaining about "concentration of power" or something along those lines? Yet he never made a comment about the same thing in Ireland. For example all the contracts handed out during covid to the big **** companies. That de gascun lad got millions for testing. This country is ruled by a tiny number of people all intertwined with each other and their contacts who get all the big money.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097108#Comment_119097108

Yes, I’ve always found that an odd “system”. Calling a racist, or a bigot, “racist”, or “a bigot” gets you infracted but these are the rules and they apply to everyone so all we can do is work within them.

I’ve also found it very strange the, quite, visceral reaction from these racists, and bigots, when they get called such. They seem so blatant with these “opinions” but when they get called out for them they start mewling about how shocking it is to be called a racist.

I, personally, don’t see what’s wrong with saying that if Musk was a person of colour the reaction on here, from some of the “likely lads”, would be very different. If you had a major sexual assault case on here, and if the guy is a whyte, Irish, cisgender male, the victim gets all the abuse, and accusations of lying, but if the crime was committed by a person of colour, or of the Islamic faith, then there’d be calls for the death penalty and tighter immigration laws.

It’s like they just don’t care for the victim, at all, they just care about spinning things to suit their own, malignant, “agenda”. Not exactly in good faith there, D, wouldn’t you agree?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097308#Comment_119097308

I think you are just as, if not more, guilty of spinning things to suit an agenda.

You introduced racism into a thread for no reason but to discredit people defending Elon musk.

It's consistent though. I'll give you that.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097308#Comment_119097308

Speaking of posting in good faith

But Harvey Weinstein is White .Bill Clinton is White. And of course Jeffrey Epstein was White.

The only person making it about race and or religion ie black or muslim etc is you.

#bekind (only to people I agree with) ??

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097168#Comment_119097168

So when you say “de Gascun fella got millions” , what you really mean is that the National Virus Reference Laboratory at UCD carried out millions of Covid tests for the State. The Director got nothing extra for this, and certainly doesn’t get millions of anything.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097387#Comment_119097387

You never responded to my question, do you think it's acceptable that Musk exposed himself to one of his staff? Fyi, I view Epstein's, Weinstein's,Cuomo's and Clinton's behaviour to be atrocious. But you seem to be pretty unwilling to call out Musk's behaviour, instead you resort to whataboutery in relation to party leaning.

Musk only declared his Republican credentials after he was asked about the story btw, up until that point, he has a history of donating to both Democrats and Republicans.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097543#Comment_119097543

I condemn sexual harassment and associated crimes no matter who the culprit is. So yes I answer.

I also call out Bill Cosby for his history of abuse and also Sergio Berlusconi for him debauchery. The bunga bunga parties on the public purse.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096109#Comment_119096109

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097567#Comment_119097567

But your entire interaction with the thread has been whataboutery about the democrats. You put "trauma" in quotes and seem to have used your first post to take a jab against the victim... So the condemnation isn't exactly ringing true at all...

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097511#Comment_119097511

What?

I'm saying the lad who had a major influence in what measures the state took during covid, the company that he has a massive part in got millions and millions as a result of those measures.

It would be like Elon musk becoming us president and then buying teslas for everyone in the country.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097653#Comment_119097653

There are posters before and after my replies who are throwing out accusations of bias relating to politics, race and religion .

My replies are related to same.

Call out all whataboutery ,be consistent.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097832#Comment_119097832

Eh, this doesn't change the fact that you actively tried to smear the victim rather than condemning Musk...

In relation to the religion and race remark, yep it's pretty relevant given the fact that many of Musk's defenders on the right hold extreme views that tend to be race. So yep whataboutery but holds some relevance to the thread at least. Meanwhile I'm pretty sure you're gonna struggle to find anyone in this thread who defended Cuomo, Weinstein etc.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119098150#Comment_119098150

Smear the victim?

Because she accepted the money or because her friend leaked to the press?

Expand on your accusations

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097689#Comment_119097689

Except that it's not a company. It is part of UCD, which is part of Government. The 'National' in the National Virus Reference Laboratory is the hint that you might missed there.

He's on NPHET because he knows a thing or two about viruses. He didn't 'get millions and millions'. He got funding to cover millions of tests.

Whatever funding was given had zero impact on his salary.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096924#Comment_119096924

And **** each and every one of them. Cuomo is another one. But lets not excuse some people because theyre playing for one or other "side". Matt Gaetz seems to have survived and Trump is absolutely a sex pest and his base dont give a ****. If Elon is trying to get ahead of this by not so subtly threatening litigation i hope they eat the fucker alive.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097168#Comment_119097168

Mickey D could definitely speak out more against our own shower. I guess while Musk is a bigger and worthy target, he's also a safer target.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119098756#Comment_119098756

You decided to put quotes around "trauma" in relation to seeing his penis and left out how he blackballed her. On top of that, you took a jab at her not reporting it to the police. The fact she took a payout, means it should be over and done with appears to be the logic you're applying. So yep, I think it's smearing to put her at the center as if she's done something wrong by coming out with it.

Fyi, the above is literally the exact kind of response that certain victims of Weinstein got. As if they shouldn't come forward because they were paid off etc. You've not made a single mention of how Musk has responded to this...

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099370#Comment_119099370

You decided to put quotes around "trauma" in relation to seeing his penis and left out how he blackballed her.

In fairness, she did blueball him first. Must have been frustrating for him not being able to buy something for a change.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099370#Comment_119099370

She should have reported it to the police for possible criminal investigation.

Instead she took the 250k and moved on. Her friend reported it. Again not to the police but to the media. Hoping to crack a million this time perhaps?

Reeks of political interference too mixed with good old fashioned greed.

I won't participate in the fake moral outrage pile on .

Report it to the police lady.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099682#Comment_119099682

The likelihood of Musk facing any repercussions if she went to the police are nil. And women not reporting sexual crimes isn't new for that reason.

Also back to smearing her..... You have absolute zero regard for the victim and appear to actively annoyed by Musk getting attention over it... Your condemnation is all kinds of fake if this is how you view it.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099682#Comment_119099682

What would the police do? These never get convictions and the most likely result would just be harassment from elin fan boys. This way she gets something from it.

As for trading free speech well it seems rather similar to accepting terms and conditions when making a website account. However dear Elon seems to think that is constricting free speech.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099703#Comment_119099703

Alleged victim.

Mic 1972

I love how the democrats are getting their pants in a knot over Elon buying Twitter. To have non-left wing Elon managing one of the few social platforms out there means introducing a little political diversity in the public discourse. The mere mention of Elon'n name potentially buying twitter was apparently enough to make followers' figure fluctuate in a very suspicious way, where certain right wing users have seen their number of followers increase drastically over night. Looks like someone in Twitter is cleaning the house before the new boss walks in

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099762#Comment_119099762

Not sure what this has to do with democrats.

Elon had described himself as a lefty.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099744#Comment_119099744

No.... If you say something effected you, you're a victim. You should be treated as such.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099682#Comment_119099682

Ah, sweet summer child.

NDAs in this context are not contracts, they're blackmail. This woman was told, "You can either take the money and sign an NDA, or you can go to the police who will do nothing, and we will take legal action against you and destroy your life".

The NDA then sits there as a permanent threat that if she changes her mind, expensive lawyers will ruin her life. Same reason Virginia Guiffre never came forward.

You assert she made a choice like she had a team of her own lawyers supporting her and advising her on what to do.

Funnily enough, the latter is exactly why this has come out now, and why Musk and others are likely to be sweating bullets. The Andrew/Guiffre case has started a ball rolling which has asserted that NDAs are invalid when it comes to information of a potentially criminal nature. This could be expanded in future to invalidate all NDAs where their purpose is to cover up criminal or civil wrongdoing, rather than to protect IP or company secrets.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097168#Comment_119097168

If Musk decides that he doesn't want to do the deal , which he is perfectly entitled to do then it will cost him the $1B break fee.

Stock markets are down all round the globe over the last few months so claiming "the market has tanked" isn't a reason to not pay the fee. That's a risk that every investor takes.

That $1B his "non-refundable deposit" if you like and no amount of public moaning will change that.

There really isn't a way out of that for him.

Tonesjones

"This woman was told, "You can either take the money and sign an NDA, or you can go to the police who will do nothing, and we will take legal action against you and destroy your life".

Where did you get this information? Where you there or have you been in contact with this woman?

Or is this just your interpretation?

This is wild

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101457#Comment_119101457

Whilst "destroy your life" is perhaps hyperbole the reality is that proving something like that is very costly and taking it to court against someone with the means of Musk would be a huge huge risk.

The risk of losing and having costs awarded against you would dissuade most people as the legal costs would be astronomical.

So the choice presented would be "take something for your trouble or run the risk of utter financial ruin".

Perhaps the better question is "why did Musk give her $250k if the allegations were completely fabricated?"

Or is he saying that the payment never happened either?

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119101736#Comment_119101736

Costs against you?

Is it not a potential criminal offence that should be reported to police who will then investigate and if there is enough evidence charges are made.

"Costs against you " sounds like you mean she should sue him.

It's either a crime or its a cash grab. I think the friend has talked her into looking for more money. Again the friend did not report it to the police she reported it to the media. Its obvious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119104053#Comment_119104053

And I can point to people saying similar about Weinstein in relation to victims he paid off. Weinstein is poor next to Musk and the police investigations were shut down when there was plenty of evidence present. So not seeing much reason for a woman being confident in having any luck with reporting somebody like Musk.... Powerful people regular get stuff buried, that's the reality.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119104053#Comment_119104053

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119104120#Comment_119104120

Exactly - Plenty of evidence of individuals going to the Police to complain about the actions of famous/powerful people and for them to go nowhere.

Bottom line - Musk didn't give her $250k for nothing

So the choices are

It never happened , but he paid her off anyway because it was cheaper/easier than the bad press of taking her to court to prove her wrong

OR It did happen and he offered her the money to shut her up and she took it as on balance she wasn't going to get any satisfaction elsewhere.

Don't think there's another option to consider really.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

It’s funny how in stories like this the onus is always on the victim to behave totally without reproach. The blame is never on the likes of Musk for whipping his dick out and waggling it around but on his victim for not going to the police.

It’s similar to when that George Floyd lad was killed and people were making it out that it was alright what happened to him because he wasn’t an angel, ie he had a history of committing petty crimes.

These are usually the same people railing against virtue signalling, cancel culture and “you can’t say nothin’ anymore.” However when a victim of an actual crime (allegedly) comes forward they’re told to shut up because they don’t measure up to the internet commentators impossible measure of virtue. You didn’t go to the police? You took a pay out? GTFO everyone behaves rationally immediately after a traumatic event. Sure Musk makes that much in an hour anyway, it’s a non-story. One guy actually said that in this thread.

I don’t know how some of you can look at yourselves in the mirror, I really don’t.

Cordell

I don’t know how some of you can look at yourselves in the mirror, I really don’t.

It could be because we're not so quick to judge people, especially when it's a shady one sided story coming out at a convenient time, and especially when moneys already changed hands which made both parties happy at the time.

Or maybe because we know that we're not perfect so we don't expect others to be.

How about you, is the oxygen level appropriate on that high horse?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119107820#Comment_119107820

No - It's because you are willing to forgive someone for deviant behaviour simply because they were rich enough to buy the silence of their victim.

Should rich people be forgiven for anything they do as long as they pay up afterwards??

"He gave her money , sure what's the problem?"

Also - Human frailty or lack of "perfection" doesn't really cover whipping out your cock in front of strangers for most people.

Cordell

I'm not forgiving, I just don't care, especially because I don't care about him as an individual, I'm only caring about his achievements, which are plenty.

And I also think this whipping out of his mick is being, ahem, blown out of proportions.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108062#Comment_119108062

So any and all actions are excusable or "ignore-able" because he's done some cool stuff in his Business?

Yep - Harvey Weinstein produced some great movies alright.

Cordell

No, not all are. Some are minor enough to be forgettable. For example, slapping someone is something minor and forgettable, but beating someone to death isn't. But I guess reasoning with you is pointless until you free yourself of all that hate that drove you to compare him to a convicted rapist. Relax, got outside, it's nice.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119108062#Comment_119108062

Think there's a fair argument that regardless of achievements, the conduct of an individual matters. Henry Ford for example was revolutionary but it's dishonest to only acknowledge him for his technical achievements and outside of the technical, he was a horrible individual who had a considerate negative impact.

Musk most definitely hasn't reached Ford's level but there appears to be a massive fandom that only views him positively while ignoring the pretty dodgy aspects. This includes things like market manipulation, harassment allegations and even things like accusing a man of being a paedophile with zero basis. They'll write it off or even sometimes praise it. And those are just samples.

Mic 1972

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119099843#Comment_119099843

Actually no, he came out as a republican

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119109127#Comment_119109127

He did that after he knew the story had been written. So seems pretty irrelevant.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119107868#Comment_119107868

Surely the authorities will be on the case if he whipped his lad out in front of a stranger? Or are you exaggerating as per?