So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425063#Comment_121425063

Except they said that about the moon and there's pretty good reasons to use the moon as a starting point rather than jumping the gun entirely. On top of that, if he makes a complete mess of a mars mission due to his approach to safety, that could negatively impact space travel in general in the medium term.

Also let's just remember that this entire discussion is just dodging the topic of how he's spent the last while engaging in racism on the social media platform that he's decimated.

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425063#Comment_121425063

’Ask not what oppressing others can do for you, asking what you can do to oppress others’

(A little off, I know…)

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425063#Comment_121425063

Coward talk. Colony on Neptune or nothing!

Or you know an actual sensible aim and ongoing research. Again because a lot of people have done great work with scientific exploration from space travel does not mean every idea with regards to space is a good idea.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425090#Comment_121425090

I don't care about his alleged racism, I never defended him as a person - because I don't care how he is as a person.

Flaneur OBrien

The true terrible thing is the difference he could make here, on this planet with his wealth is utterly nuts.

If he focussed on say, cleaning up the oceans or deforestation or anything that could improve the lives of millions of people instead of spunking his load into space.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425063#Comment_121425063

And the way to do that is blow $40 billion plus on a social media platform ... then run it into the ground such that it has lost at least half its value since then.

This fits into the plan how and where???

The levels of creative thinking being deployed here to try to excuse what Musk has done and is doing with Twitter beggars belief.

You have set this up to somehow defend of Musk and it doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny.

But hey, blowing all those billions is worth is just so you can share your mates racist tweets to a wider audience and call whoever you don't like a "paedo" - to use Musk's favourite insult.

Really shows where Musk's priorities lie.

This vision you try to present of Musk does not match reality and exists in your mind unconnected / not founded on the actual evidence and conduct.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425169#Comment_121425169

You're fawning over him at every turn. And how he publicly conducts himself negatively impacts his businesses. You haven't even bothered addressing the fact that there's known safety concerns around SpaceX, instead it's constantly jumping to him being a pioneering genius.

fullstop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121423643#Comment_121423643

Would rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty nail than watch that kunt speak about anything 😘

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425197#Comment_121425197

It's very easy for those who've generated little to tell people who've generated much what to do with their resources.

Tony EH

I love this laughable B movie attempt at logic that is us colonising Mars in anyone's lifetime or for the next 4 or 5 generations...at least. It's such a pipe dream at present as to be a Wellsian fantasy. We'll all be well dead before we could get a realistic colony operating even on the Moon, never mind Mars.

Into the bargain, the only thing that Mars has over the moon is some gases in its atmosphere and a soil of a sort. Both of which are actually extremely harmful to us BTW. Perhaps one day we'll be able to neutralise the dangers within those elements, but for now and the foreseeable future that's just not possible. In any case, those two very dubious "advantages" that Mars has over the Moon are outweighed by all the other pressing issues facing us with regards to a colony on the red planet. 1.) It's a long way away. A very long way away. Currently it takes over 9 months to get there and that's unmanned flight which also requires a certain alignment between the planets that happens only every couple of years. That's a long time to be travelling in the conditions that are required and would have significant impact on our bodies and our mental state. It isn't impossible, as Valeri Polyakov showed on Mir. But it is an extremely difficult prospect for the majority of trained astronauts, never mind anyone else. 2.) It's a one way trip and will be for a very long time to come. And expecting anyone to be able to A. fly to Mars and B. start setting up a colony there when they land is pure fantasy at present and that's only considering the resources (or lack thereof) that would be required. 3.) Mars is a very hostile environment to us. Aside from an unbreathable atmosphere and a lethal soil, it experiences incredibly violent and unpredictable dust storms that can cover the size of Earth's continents. These also last for weeks or months in certain cases. Such a thing would wipe out any colony we would be capable of setting up in short order. It makes our current issues with Earth based climate change look like a walk in the park...and all that's before we get into the extremely cold average temperature on Mars 4.) Cancers are an extreme risk on the red planet as there is little to protect us from the effects of solar radiation and we have very little in the way of knowledge of shielding ourselves from it in a colony sized endeavour.

Put short, absolutely none of us are going to Mars any time soon, certainly not to stay. And if by some miracle we do manage a manned trip, it would require at least a 21 month journey.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425063#Comment_121425063

Why do the infinitely more dangerous and costly thing when a perfectly good proof of concept lies exponentially closer to earth? This is run before you walk stuff.

Bravado for its own sake has no value. America went to the moon because it was in a literal race; Musk wants to go to Mars out of hubris and a defiance of common sense.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425367#Comment_121425367

Very easy to lose 20 billion on Twitter...is that what you mean?

That seemed to come very easily for Musk.

PeadarCo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425315#Comment_121425315

People need to separate SpaceX from Twitter.

SpaceX has genuinely been revolutionary in many aspects. The reusability of the first stage of the falcon 9 being the stand out. The launch of the starship even though a failure was still very successful in many respects. For crew transport compare the crew dragon to Boeing's starliner which still hasn't made its first crewed test flight yet. In terms of crew safety you have NASA reviewing things which has the institutional knowledge of designing the space shuttle(easily the most dangerous crewed vehicle(to it's occupants) ever to launch). NASA does not want a repeat. It also has to remembered SpaceX success has been financed heavily by NASA and has managed to do things at a far far lower cost than NASA can do due to the politics around NASA funding. Even if SpaceX never gets to Mars it still has made a huge mark on space flight.

SpaceX successes do not let Musk off the hook regarding his behaviour on Twitter or how badly he has run it and how bad a investment he has made. It's a complete strawman to bring SpaceX into Twitter. If Twitter had been run like SpaceX it would not be in its current mess ie it wouldn't have got rid of most of its moderating team etc. SpaceX wouldn't have got to where it is now if Musk had been doing all the design work as he appears to be doing at Twitter.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425382#Comment_121425382

The race was just for political image and to one up the russians. It was a reason that is just as good as Elon doing it for the craic. What's really important is to never stop trying and to aim as high as possible.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425399#Comment_121425399

It's a bizarre world where an argument is made a functioning moon colony and space port isn't ambitious enough. Given wherever the colony is founded it'll literally be a first for humankind regardless, and smash the current extremity for a settlement.

We have barely escaped our orbit - Musk's grasp is questionable given a desire to skip a natural, sensible but still laudable, step.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425367#Comment_121425367

Being wealthy doesn't make a person immune to criticism. And given the state of the cyber truck and Twitter, it's reasonable to assume he can make terrible decisions.

Agent Coulson

Yeah lets move to other planets and **** them up by mining and taking there natural resources just like the one we actually live on instead of trying to find a way to protect our own planet and help it heal.

On the Mars thing:

1) It's a miserable desert.

2) It has no magnetic field, which means its atmosphere is being stripped off by cosmic rays and its surface is bombarded with energetic particles all the time.

3) The 'soil' contains some pretty nasty substances due to the interaction with cosmic rays mostly. It's full of perchlorate.

4) The 'soil' is a dry, fine powder with very rough edges - a bit like ground up asbestos in terms of what it would do to your lungs, even in tiny quantities.

5) The dust is electrostatically charged so tends to stick to absolutely everything.

6) No known plants can grow there.

It's literally a baron wasteland with a thin atmosphere of mostly CO2 and red dust. It's fascinating in geological / planetary science context. That's about the extent of it though.

Basically at best you'd be stuck in a hermetically sealed bubble, never able to even venture outside at all. At worst you'd likely die either quite quickly due to lack of access to food or a leak in the biosphere or slowly due to cancer due to exposure to radiation and potentially also the atmosphere.

It would make living in the middle of the antarctic in winter in a habitation unit seem comfortable and pleasant.

Restoring / protecting the Earth from the impact of human activities would be VASTLY easier than colonising Mars.

His whole imagined nonsense is basically he's going to rocket off to Mars and start a Muskian society there, and it allows the people who believe this garbage to sort of 'write off' Earth as if there's some choice in going elsewhere ... Good luck with that!

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425559#Comment_121425559

Send Matt Damon up with a few spuds and a bag of cans. Be grand in no time.

erlichbachman

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1728936946049974650

Elon for Taoiseach

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425645#Comment_121425645

Leaving aside the absolute nonsense he posted, why would he want to be taoiseach of Ireland?

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425674#Comment_121425674

why not, the man has reached the summit in business, next stop could be the running of a country, outside of the extreme left population on boards i think he would be welcomed

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425719#Comment_121425719

And when he’s done running a country, he can run the colony on Mars. I think he planned to to start in 2024, so he better get going here first.

pjohnson

Elon vs McGregor for ruler of Ireland is every edgelords orgasmic wetdream.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425719#Comment_121425719

You have to be extreme left?

What a blatantly obvious prejuducial framing. I suppose when your argument is devoid of logic, facts and evidence why not go for broke and invent stuff.

And what absolute nonsense.

I will remind the thread again that under his watch Twitter has been fined for lax policies on child sex abuse material. Does that sound like a vote winner in middle Ireland?

Yet his insult of choice is calling his opponents a 'paedo'.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425645#Comment_121425645

Continued fawning over racist South African...

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425719#Comment_121425719

You’ve seen how he’s running twitter? And you want him to run our country?

LOL

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425744#Comment_121425744

I think you mean someone who was rocked too close to the wall.

Quin_Dub

Anyhoo..We'll see how long Elon keeps talking about Mars now that Blue Origin got the NASA Contract for the first flights there.

No more NASA money and I suspect Elon will be less than tumescent about spending his own money on the idea..

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425645#Comment_121425645

How would that work then??

What party would facilitate him running in a constituency , after he has become an Irish citizen of course and then elect him as leader of that party and then hopefully win a majority in the Dail thereby eventually allowing him to assume the Office of Taoiseach??

Or maybe he could run for President , again after becoming a citizen and convincing 4 Local Authorities to nominate him (or 20 TD's) where he could take office and have absolutely zero influence on anything beyond what soup they might serve to visitors at the Aras.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425719#Comment_121425719

Well as pointed out by others he'd need to become a citizen first which means being resident for 3 of the previous 5 years in Ireland, then the process itself can take a year or more to get approved. After that he would have to start or join a party that went on to win a large enough amount of seats so as to get him elected Taoiseach. He has the attention span of a gnat and is a self centered narccist who only cares about himself but you think he would do all that to become the taoiseach of Ireland.....

Is it possible you haven't a clue what you are talking about?

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425761#Comment_121425761

Actually doing a Sterling job at X, still in resurrection stage at this point given it’s previous management, it will take a while for certain elements to once again become used to the fact that people have freedom of speech but we’ll get there.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425838#Comment_121425838

He's lost a huge amount of advertisers, technically it's become a train wreck and most likely has faced a substantial drop off in active users. Doing fab. 😊

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425838#Comment_121425838

Explain then why Musk himself has admitted a huge loss in company value, the depreciation of quality of experience caused by Twitter Blue, and the broad disappearance of big ticket advertisers. Not to mention lawsuits and legislation problems. Let's not hide from the fact Twitter is now massively in the red, financially. You can chatter about Free Speech like that's what's happening or ignore the fact Musk's a grotesque racist - but money doesn't lie.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425838#Comment_121425838

• Lost 90% of Ad revenue
• Company worth about a 3rd of what he paid for it a year ago
• Bleeding money from every orifice
• Multiple pending lawsuits.

If that's your idea of "a Sterling Job", I'd f*cking hate to see what doing a bad job look like in your mind?

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425853#Comment_121425853

Well you have to remember how well funded and how well connected the recent left wing protagonists are, they won’t go down without a fight but if anyone stands up to them there’s basically nothing they can do because common sense wins out at the end of the day.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425838#Comment_121425838

You wont get free speech under Musk cos he has shown he is a bully with zero real commitment to free speech. Free for him to call people paedos and yet also for actual paedos to share child abuse material. But not for those with opinions contrary to his or critical of Musk.

You keep repeating this fake news and ignoring the abundant evidence posted on the thread proving the opposite. Or you could research it yourself which would quickly disabuse you of this notion.

But nope you wont do that.

You could inform yourself of how much money he has lost on Twitter proving those claims to be completely false also.

And if ignore this reply it will be proof positive you know you cant defend it so all you can do is repeat it like a mantra. Doesnt matter how many times you repeat it, doesnt make it any truer. Just shows up how false your claims are utterly without merit or foundation.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425906#Comment_121425906

And back to conspiracy theories to justify the mess he's created.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425906#Comment_121425906

You wanna try address the topic with some reality instead of peddling conspiracy? You're being met halfway with finances, maybe stick to that.

Though I always get a good hearty laugh when someone straightfaced tries to imply large multinational corporations are "left wing".

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425974#Comment_121425974

No need to use google sheets when Elon told us......

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/according-elon-musk-own-math-204413573.html?guccounter=1

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425981#Comment_121425981

Oh, there’s great concern that Elon will lose too much money, apologies, I must have been misinterpreting the posts on here.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425974#Comment_121425974

Gosh, are you saying people are talking about a man who goes out of his way to be noticed, who then took over one of the biggest social media companies on the planet?

Yeah I couldn't imagine why people would ever want to talk about that. Poor form if you're resorting to snide, weird off hand commentary about others though. Kinda suggests a lack of faith in one's arguments.

As has been said already, Elon Musk himself has noted how the company has lost a huge percentage of its value - the advertisement loss is also a matter of record. Maybe pay attention to that instead of worrying about memes.

nachouser

I'd say he'll be stood down within the next year from all of his companies. A known ketamine user isn't a great look.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121426006#Comment_121426006

Indeed, the cybertruck fallout is going to be a carbon copy of the simpsons episode i reckon.

silliussoddius

The second biggest investors were the Saudis, and people think it’s about free speech.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121426013#Comment_121426013

I wonder how the Blue Origin contract with NASA is gonna go down at SpaceX HQ; if they were competing for it for one, and what happens if it's all a success. Seems like it's a big risk for Bezos and co given their rockets haven't had a proper live test yet?

Musk's brand is getting toxic and NASA might want to swing away from associating with him. Of course, competition is good for an industry, I'm sure libertarian Musk will take it in his strike.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121426013#Comment_121426013

I think it might also make people look at Tesla as a car company, not a tech company. That may hit the overall valuation.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425992#Comment_121425992

Not really, it's just somewhat amusing watching the disaster at this stage. You do realise that the downfall of Theranos or WeWork have fascinated people over the years?

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121425996#Comment_121425996

Can you point out where I stated any current financial well-being, I’ll say it again cause you seem to have missed it, not me, you, or anybody else on here cares about the financial stability of X. If it goes under tomorrow none of us will have been financially impacted in any way whatsoever, let’s put the bull crap to the side. X as the largest social media platform in the world has an impact on the direction of society, and some of us prefer the previous ownership, and some of us prefer the current ownership.

Personally I believe if we kept heading the way we were then we as a functioning society were fcuked, for reasons I won’t get into here. But it seems the only person who has a pair of balls these days is Elon.

hotmail.com

I still can't understand why more Irish people haven't left X.