So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843955#Comment_119843955

Mostly PM? You mean Project Managers?!!

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844218#Comment_119844218

Preventative Maintenance

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844228#Comment_119844228

Ah yeah, I thought you completely jumped the shark there.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843977#Comment_119843977

Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence.

That's why incitement to violence, bullying, and all the rest, are forbidden under Musk's terms of use. Nobody, not one person, has suggested changing this.

An imaginary fiction has been allowed to take hold by critics of Musk - deliberately in my opinion - that Musk wants to open the floodgates to hell, stop all forms of moderation, and transform Twitter into a Neo-Nazi cesspit where references to Hitler and Mussolini are the most common proper nouns.

I've repeatedly asked for evidence where he specifically wants to do this, and no evidence has come forth.

There's a reason for that. Because it's entirely made up, an invented fiction designed to smear Musk.

So don't be persuaded by the manufactured hysteria and misinformation that critics of Musk would want you to believe.

Better to listen to the man himself:

Elon Musk wants to end the spam-bot problem, verify users, expand the range of services on offer, improve search capability, preserve reasonable freedom of speech for all sides of the political spectrum, and attempt to make the business sustainable and profitable.

Who could seriously argue against that?

All the talk of fascists, neo-Nazis, and opening the floodgates to hell are, at this stage, utterly embarrassing.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844244#Comment_119844244

He doesn't want to do any of that of that except the profitable business bit.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844180#Comment_119844180

The big issue with the super wealthy is the fact that they don't pay anything for their "unrealised gains" on their shareholdings/investments.

Everybody else in the US does though - Through Property taxes.

If I bought a house 10 years ago for 250k and now it's worth say 400k I've been paying property taxes on that house every year and I'm paying them based on its current value even though I haven't "realised" the potential gains from the increased value of the house.

If instead I'd spent 250k on Stock 10 years ago , I would not have paid a penny in taxes

Average Property in the US is about 1% (much higher in some places) so the property owner above has been paying between $2500 and $4000 every year for the last 10 years , maybe $35k all in, whereas the stock/share owner has paid absolutely nothing.

Imagine the amount of money that would be able for things like Education and healthcare if all "assets" were taxed equally??

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844256#Comment_119844256

His announcements over the past couple of days - indeed, things he has been saying for months - would render that statement utterly false.

You seem to know what Musk wants more than Musk himself.

Which of the two is more likely?

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843977#Comment_119843977

Only the other day he was sharing inaccurate nonsense.

He's all over the place.

Brussels Sprout

I suspected that it was going to be a train-wreck under Musk but I didn't expect it to happen so quickly. He very clearly has absolutely no idea what he's doing and is making up the rules as he goes along. With users and advertisers streaming for the exits and him paying an estimated triple what the company is actually worth he's basically created a massive rod to beat himself with.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843912#Comment_119843912

Openly impersonating someone to push her political opinions. Big no no and against Twitters rules. Always was.

The site is better without her on it

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844262#Comment_119844262

lol. His actions say otherwise. His statements are just to convince people like you to give him money and for his own ego. He just says some buzzwords and his fans lap it up.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844244#Comment_119844244

Did anyone expect anything less than complete outrage when the echo chamber of the left saw the hammer blows breaking through their walls and opening them up to reality? They still deny that Twitter was a one-sided platform. In fairness, boards is not too dis-similar these days and it's a worse place for it.

Sleepy

The world doesn't need billionaires. Musk gets the headlines because he's an insufferable attention seeker but the rest should be taxed out of existence too.

It's morally indefensible to hold more wealth than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime and no matter how much you fan boys lick his boots, Musk ain't going to share his 200+ billion fortune with ye unless they're forced to by proper tax policies.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844273#Comment_119844273

Cheers. I saw an article about it. Funny stuff.

McFly85

End Twitters dependency on advertising, their primary source of income? Good luck with that.

Social media likes to think it’s more essential than it actually is. Start telling people they have to pay to use it and watch it die overnight.

Mic 1972

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844291#Comment_119844291

why anyone would expect Elon to share money with them? people who support him are fine, they already have jobs and money

I'm glad he stepped in, twitter needed some proper reshuffling

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844260#Comment_119844260

You're comparing apples and oranges. With a property, you pay money in and you either live in it, or benefit by renting it out. With a stock/share, you pay money in and see no benefit until you sell it, at which point you pay taxes on any gains. You also risk losing it all when the market or just the stock you invested in tanks. I would imaging the stock market would be a lot smaller if people were taxed for each gain, because they certainly wouldn't receive any breaks for the downtimes.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844180#Comment_119844180

Oh, and "agenda driven" isn't the own you think it is. Every person on the planet has an agenda. For most, it's simply to be able to live comfortably and provide adequately for their families while leading lives that cause as few problems to others as possible.

For Musk and his ilk, it's to hoard as much wealth as possible, regardless of the consequences to their fellow man.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844283#Comment_119844283

Precisely.

People have to ask themselves the questions:

• Which side is engaging in a tsunami of "misinformation"?
• Which side is posting nothing but "abuse" and "hating" on others?
• Who is engaging in "conspiracy theories" about people's motives?
• Who is arguing against the idea of "free speech"?

In other words, all the things that critics of Musk attribute to him or his alleged actions - namely, "misinformation" (deliberately done en masse to overwhelm), "abuse", "hate", "conspiracy theories", denying "free speech", are all attributes of the critics themselves, not of Musk.

This is a perfect example of projection - projecting negative attributes onto others when they actually apply to yourself.

Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.

We are seeing misinformation constantly invented against Musk; quotes taken out of context; the constant stream of abuse and hatred of the man is extreme - just take a look at the comments here or throughout Twitter itself; the conspiracy theories about how Musk is secretly going to remove all moderation to make it a Neo-Nazi Valhalla; and now accusing Musk of being in favour of censorship and denying free speech.

All invented. All projected.

You couldn't make it up.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844291#Comment_119844291

Is this spite driven, or driven by what you earlier claimed, a desire to help those who are suffering? Which according to you is because of billionaires. It's always hard to tell with the language Marxists use. The supposedly compassionate theory, relies on the belief that governments use money well and they just need some more of it to save us all. Any of us who weren't born yesterday know that governments have always and will always spend terribly. States getting millions, or even billions more from the likes of Musk won't change a thing, because most of the money will be blown on useless things that benefit few people, as they always have. It's a child like view of how thing can be fixed, if that is true motivation of course, which I'm skeptical of.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844321#Comment_119844321

I do find such comments interesting. Aside from Musks wealth, what else does he hoard?

From what I know, he seems to put his wealth into businesses which are beneficial to to society as a whole....or in the case of twitter, to change it from a left wing platform to something more balanced. I don't think he owns super yachts, or F1 cars. OK, he owns a few rockets, but hasn't travelled in one yet (unless he really is an alien) 😆

Mic 1972

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844152#Comment_119844152

Investors do like people with a vision who are not afraid of change and who are able to transform their company when it's needed

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844015#Comment_119844015

Autism makes its sufferers do strange things.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844359#Comment_119844359

Musk could have retired with tens of billions in the bank. At that level of wealth, Musk could have whatever he wanted, holidayed forever etc.

But he opted to work on large-scale, creative projects that have the capacity to improve society on the whole. Let's not forget that the kind of projects Musk works on, tend to have positive offshoots of other kinds of research or novel products, that can have a transformative societal impact.

But alas, that doesn't matter to some.

Musk has been declared Public Enemy Number One. All else is propaganda.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844380#Comment_119844380

More juvenile attacks against Musk.

erlichbachman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844294#Comment_119844294

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7dmU2CCJoY

Twitter could be decentralised

BruteStock

Tax him out of existence = socialist extremeism 101..

Lol, the man has a sense of humour, gotta give him that

https://mobile.twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1589433578685071362

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844244#Comment_119844244

Maybe his retweeting of far right conspiracy theories about the far right terrorist attack that fractured the skull of an 82 year old man, and his retweeting of a nazi who is convicted of possession of child sexual abuse material led to some confusion about his plans for a neo Nazi cesspit?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844320#Comment_119844320

Perhaps , yet if the property lost value you'd still have to pay property taxes on the lower value no matter how under water you might be.

The "Stock market being smaller" wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing that money would instead be out there, active in the economy being spent or indeed invested in physical things. Both things far more likely to stimulate real growth than massive amounts of money locked away in shares doing nothing for the wider economy.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843985#Comment_119843985

It's a common enough practice to make teams redundant but then to ask some staff back on contract to complete specific projects.

It's also not uncommon for hiring to start immediately after redundancy for new positions as a company changes its focus or direction.

There's a narrative being painted here by people who hate Musk. Fairly common redundancy procedures being executed by Twitter are seemingly just another excuse to have a pop at him.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844416#Comment_119844416

far-right, far-right, Nazi, Neo-Nazi...

Child sexual abuse, that's a new one.

Ugh...

It's so predictable.

Anything to smear the man by association, no matter how twisted the attempt.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844413#Comment_119844413

That's hilarious.

At least amid all the abuse he receives, Musk is able to sustain a great sense of humour.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844359#Comment_119844359

He uses his rockets for business purposes and has single handedly stopped Russia disabling Ukraine's war effort with Starlink, financed by SpaceX, while other military industrial complex companies get billions from the governments. But that's all fine because it's the government wasting the people's money. That's what leftists really want - being the ones taking the fruits of everyone's hard work for themselves and their cronies while creating nothing.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844389#Comment_119844389

He can be annoying and strange and I say this as someone who is also autistic. I admire his ability to make so many changes which are a net positive to society and I genuinely think he wants to do good by people and make advances take us all forward. Compare this to the likes of Zuckerberg, or Bezos. Yeah, they've made their contributions, but they are only interested in advancing their own wallets and using their influence to do so and in Zuckerbergs case........US elections.....Brexit and much more. That guy should have been strapped to a Falcon 9 and shot off to the sun.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844324#Comment_119844324

So was his RTing of far right conspiracy theories about the far right terrorist attack on an 82 year old man all projected and all invented?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844389#Comment_119844389

What projects are “improving society as a whole”? He’s littering space with his junk, he’s digging private tunnels because he’s shocked by the idea of trains and buses, he’s taking his jet for short car journeys.

oh Lord, protect us from being saved by Musk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844438#Comment_119844438

In the world of free speech, offensive speech is allowed - no matter how objectionable it may be.

I don't agree with that conspiracy theory, but other people are perfectly entitled to believe whatever they wish. I'm not going to censor them, in the same way I wouldn't want them to censor me for my opinions.

Some people believe in the Trinity, there's no evidence for that either, but I don't want to censor Christians on Twitter.

Sleepy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844337#Comment_119844337

Spite? No. Frustration at socio-political systems that have under-educated sycophants defending the over-privileged in the misguided belief that they'll one day join their ranks, certainly.

I'm no marxist: effort and talent deserve to be rewarded and competition generally leads to efficiency. If we have to put a label on my politics I'm probably a Limitarian, Socialist or some form of meritocrat. I believe that capital growth and inheritance are vastly under-taxed when compared to earned income and that billionaires and the centralisation of wealth into an elite class is the predicable outcome of this.

While I don't disagree that public spending is often inefficient, I find your notion that money it's more likely to "be blown on useless things that benefit few people" by governments than (as in the example of this thread) billionaires like Elon Musk, to be the childlike view if I'm honest. We're literally discussing a man who has just, pretty much accidentally, bought a loss making company and over-paid for it to the tune of roughly 30 billion dollars.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844438#Comment_119844438

You don't have any proof he was far right. His house displayed LGBT and blm support. And let's be honest, you care more about linking him to the far right and less about the health of an 82 y o man

Snake Plisken

Excellent article by John McGuirk on the attack on Musk. Can see the same manifesting on this thread.

https://gript.ie/is-elon-musk-the-new-jk-rowling/

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844244#Comment_119844244

Ever used a key site like kinguin? They're almost always keys bought with stolen credit cards. That's what's going to happen here. Stolen CC data will be used to verify scam accounts.

I'll bet my left ball he's going to accept Doge or similar as payment, which will just create even more spam/scam accounts.

Business model does not work.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844417#Comment_119844417

I pay property tax on the value bracket my property is supposedly worth. I disagree with taxing ones PPR, but that's a whole other thread.

The stock market isn't just some virtual asset to hold investments. Most stocks are connected to real things and make it possible for many businesses (including those that make physical things) to grow and produce goods or services for us. Without the stock market, we would have higher prices on goods, because it would be more expensive for businesses to borrow, which would lead to less competition and higher consumer prices. This is obviously a more complex argument than is wise to break off into on this thread however.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844427#Comment_119844427

He RTed a Nazi convicted for child sexual abuse materials last night.

marieholmfan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844458#Comment_119844458

The Holy Trinity is a mystery it belongs to a different epistemological realm than whatever twitter does.

Despite what his fans believe Musk is not a deity.

This obsession with free speech seems a little treasonous. As though you're saying that the USA is better than Ireland. Though treason is to be expected from an Irishman (YOU ARE YEAH) with George Orwell as his signature).

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844458#Comment_119844458

Swiftly shifting the goalposts there- the issue isn’t the freedom to share nonsense conspiracy theories, the issue is his closeness to far right sources and his failure of judgment in RTing nonsense like this.

marieholmfan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844337#Comment_119844337

It's called begrudgery and it is awesome. Do they not have that in your country (wherever that is).

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844470#Comment_119844470

McGuirck is a charlatan of the highest order.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844503#Comment_119844503

Being spiteful and envious has all throughout human history been considered a negative, but you know best of course. You're questioning my legitimacy as an Irish person too, while using Americanisms like "awesome" 😂

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844538#Comment_119844538

There is a short cross over between Fascism and Socialism and both tend to appeal to mentally unstable people.

He is a lunatic that has flirted with Socialism, picked bits of it's younger brother fascism, and mixed it all up to suit his psychosis.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844558#Comment_119844558

True, all signs point to DePappy being a loon. Mental illness defined him, not politics

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844470#Comment_119844470

This is just a link dump of an article by a known crank in a known fake news publication. No thanks.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119844579#Comment_119844579

Hold on, going to go hang some "Trump won the election" flags outside my house, take pictures and use as evidence on Twitter.