So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119987939#Comment_119987939

This is someone quote-tweeting the person who posted the first clip. As shown if you click on the tweet, the account that posted it (CleoPat...) "no longer exists".

https://twitter.com/frogsquadron/status/1602224228455047169?s=20&t=KXv48p-p0rVSEwl1GWbnTg

They might be trying to use the justification that it's copyright infringement, however, it's not. Chapelle requires that people attending his gigs put their phones in security pouches which can only be opened once the gig is over, because he doesn't want his shows filmed by people in the audience (other comics do the same thing sometimes). The people who filmed these clips of Musk obviously found some way around it. However that doesn't make it copyright infringement. Twitter just tried to remove clips of Musk being booed. They've likely now realised they're risking the Streisand Effect (trying to hide something on the internet makes people post it even more and therefore brings more attention to it) so I doubt other accounts will be banned, but still, that initial account appears to have been banned.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119987968#Comment_119987968

Sure. But a lot of it is on the back of this vanity purchase of Twitter. Investors are looking at this clown and the crap he says and are thinking it's probably the right time to get outta Dodge.

If old Musky boy wasn't so gobby, things would probably look quite different.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119988009#Comment_119988009

But if he wasn't so "gobby" he wouldn't have bought Twitter in the 1st place.

He bought Twitter in a fit of pique and hubris because he's really rich (for now).

It's like the mega-rich guy buying the club/bar where the bouncers weren't nice to him.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119986185#Comment_119986185

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119986276#Comment_119986276

You're both right. Musk has no respect for any employees but US tech firms seem to love hiring agency workers so they don't have to directly treat them like **** and can cut numbers on a whim because it's the agency that will have to deal with it. They're not dealing with individuals when they're outsourcing services like cleaning.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119987939#Comment_119987939

The link provided earlier in the thread is dead because the account is gone. So either the user closed it or they were banned for linking it.

He can't really be spending much time running Tesla or Space X if he's devoting all of it to banning people from Twitter who slight him.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119987574#Comment_119987574

Anyone who is outside their groups, who challenges anything they believe, who doesn’t conform to their bubble view is condemned in the worst way possible - right now that’s the shouting ‘pedo’ etc etc

Pretty sure "Gays Against Groomers" aren't of Bible Belt background, which makes your argument null and void. Lot's of in-fighting going on, and from my pov it's all been going rather well of late.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119988547#Comment_119988547

No idea about Tesla, but SpaceX is actually run by Gwyn Shotwell. Unlike Musk, who has given himself the title of chief engineer, she actually has an engineering degree.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119988234#Comment_119988234

What could go wrong from treating contract workers like ****?

Oops

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-denied-retrial-request-over-racism-case-in-fremont-california-2022-12?r=US&IR=T

blackwave

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119987968#Comment_119987968

Just on Tesla's share price, it's down 6% today.

Snake Plisken

Wow it's amazing reading the deluded posts on here

All Getting excited about Musk getting booed at a concert held in a basket case shithole like San Francisco.

It's funny to see lads criticism of Musk for being a success. Just because he bought the lefty safe space that was Twitter and equaled the playing field and they are not happy.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989338#Comment_119989338

LOL

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989338#Comment_119989338

I thought your great leader said that 90% were cheering him...

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989338#Comment_119989338

Please disperse.

Snake Plisken

Would you look at that! Trump broke no rules and got banned thanks to activist employees who are thankfully gone from the company now!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602387025855885312?s=19

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989338#Comment_119989338

Edit my bad that was another city.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989338#Comment_119989338

What's wrong with SF? I really liked it there. It's not home, but I'd live there sooner than the vast majority of places I've been to. My main issues were all problems with America in general, like having to pay a fair chunk just to get the drugs I require to live. When your health insurance is tied to your job that can turn into a bad situation quite fast. That's probably happening to some ex-Twitter employees right now.

Cody montana

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989338#Comment_119989338

Sorry now.

But you were the fellow that got excited when Jill Biden was supposedly booed recently.

In fact you posted a fake video as proof.

So what’s the difference here?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989701#Comment_119989701

The poster plays sides?

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989594#Comment_119989594

Wait so why did Elon need a twitter poll to reinstate someone who apparently didn't break any of the rules?

Tony EH

I see Musk is going hard trying to attain the Trumptard support.

He might be onto something I spose. As we all know, from the events of the past few years, it's extremely easy to part money from that particular demographic of fools. 🤣

So little substance to these twitter files. Latest looks like a moderating team discussing what to do in a difficult situation. Stop the press.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989701#Comment_119989701

The difference was revealed by the rant itself. Musk isn't a "lefty" therefore anything he does, especially if it causes animation in the people considered politically or socially left, is automatically praiseworthy and great. It's pure Cult of Personality at this stage, hitched to another díckhead billionaire; one who'd píss over the lot of us yet some would call it rain.

francois

Real world consequences

https://twitter.com/donie/status/1602441709618855938?t=LrnlJJTBz6rG5-ASBbcG8g&s=19

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989951#Comment_119989951

"Roth has since been the subject of criticism and threats following the release of the Twitter Files. However, things took a dark turn over the weekend when Musk appeared to endorse a tweet that baselessly accused Roth of being sympathetic to pedophilia — a common trope used by conspiracy theorists to attack people online."

Jesus Christ.

HalloweenJack

I see Musk also referred to Trump as the 'sitting' US President when he was banned, except he wasn't. Didn't Twitter come out and specifically say that they wouldn't ban Trump qhile he was President because it was such an important position?

So Musk is now blatantly playing to the 'Trump is the real president' crowd. Or he got his facts wrong. Both sure to fill advertisers with confidence.

astrofool

I think he saw all the truth social moolah and wanted in.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989987#Comment_119989987

Yes that sounds familiar: I think the calls for his banning were loudest in the white heat of the Jan6th insurrection, and Trump's blatant stirring of the pot. As you say, IIRC Twitter's announced rationale was that as a sitting President, Trump was entitled to keep his account for the sake of it being an important outlet from a pretty large public figure. Which, in hindsight, yes I could see the logic; Trump made a lot of public pronouncements through Twitter so it would have been important to maintain that weird unofficial status as the Presidential Town Cryer. (ironically, one of the things Trump would do in the White HOuse was to constantly rip up print-outs and pages, necessitating staffers to sellotape pages back together when he left - because legally all printed material was Public Record for archiving and Trump was technically breaking the law with this habit. IIRC he was asked not to do it but kept doing so).

Penn

It almost seems like instances where Twitter would have actioned Trump, they couldn't/didn't because he was President. Then by using Twitter as he did in stoking a baying mob with election lies and calls to action, he may not have violated any specific rules because there are no general rules for something of that scale or with that level of user. And so after various discussions, Twitter made a judgement call rather than saying he broke a specific rule, in order to ensure Trump couldn't continue to use their platform to incite further violence.

Sounds fair enough to me.

Penn

https://twitter.com/iamgabesanchez/status/1602510257779085312?s=20&t=0s1m6ft_4NJVs-BBlWzIjg

A major fight that broke out stopped Musk from speaking, even though for almost 5 minutes Chappelle spoke for most of it, never mentioned or referenced any major fight (or minor fight), but did mention the incessant booing.

God, if only that fight that didn't happen didn't happen, Musk would have had the crowd cheering by regaling them all with well-crafted tales of the time he saw someone else post a meme and then posted it himself without credit....

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119990213#Comment_119990213

He really is "Streisanding" the hell out of this.

Mind bogglingly thin-skinned.

pixelburp

When life imitates 30 year old episodes of the Simpsons, it's time for someone to tell Musk just to child the fúck out; go do normal Billionaire stuff for a few months. Throw a party just you and 40 supermodels; hunt the Most Dangerous Game at your private reserve; or just go masturbate in the corner to a copy of Ayn Rand - something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kpb8eu1pEY

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989338#Comment_119989338

SF is basically Musks home/playground. It is also the centre of technology for the world with every major tech company having their HQ there. If you are calling it a basket case, you are effectively calling Musk a basket case. Won't disagree with you there.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119990295#Comment_119990295

That's just it.

He has the ultimate amount of "f*ck you" money - What people say about him or think about him shouldn't effect him one iota , but he seems so desperate for adulation and respect that he responds to every single slight with stupid memes and generally infantile tweets.

I mean, most people think that Jeff Bezos is very very far from a nice person and are happy to say it in lots of places , but you don't see him reacting to them all with memes and other nonsense.

He just sits in one of his many palatial homes or on his mega yacht and ignores them whilst earning millions of dollars every hour of every day.

Musk needs to do a bit more of that.

His inability to behave like an adult is going to cost him everything if he doesn't cop on.

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119984732#Comment_119984732

What the chuds don't understand is that grindr changes from a gay hook-up app to a gay networking safe space for minors, despite no change in it's functionality or purpose ... by magic!

Minors have no place on such an app and anybody deranged enough to think so needs their hard drive checked by feds. Your TDS really does make you defend some very strange position that you would hope basic common sense or thinking about it for one second would show them to be untenable.

The problem isn't that people are pissed at such a suggestion, the problem is that the kind of person in charge of 'trust and safety' at a major social media organization would express such a view. The only mask slipping here is his.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119990196#Comment_119990196

I think inciting a mob to a riot which results in the death of people is probably the soundest case for a social media ban...

...ever ever there was one.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119990502#Comment_119990502

but if there is no specific rule against inciting a mob and you ban him anyway you end with dullards proclaiming that he wasn't banned for breaking the rules.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119990502#Comment_119990502

Exactly. Bari Weiss & Musk are trying to show that there were no violations on the day Trump was banned, while completely neglecting the fact that Trump (as POTUS) was not subject to the usual T&Cs anyway, and that the decision to ban him was based on the culmination of his actions & tweets over the preceeding months (and particularly following Jan 6th), where enough of the decision makers at Twitter decided to make a judgement call and that the public outcry against Twitter for not banning him was becoming too much, so they banned him. Also worth remembering Facebook at this stage already banned Trump the day before for the exact same reasons, and so it'd likely look bad on Twitter if they didn't do the same thing.

This was not a few lefties in Twitter demanding Trump be banned, because let's face it, there had been calls for Trump to be banned or actioned long before that anyway, particularly with his tweets about North Korea, and then Covid misinformation causing Twitter to implement a whole new feature to say that what Trump was saying is disputed etc specifically to get around having to action him. Jan 6th was the last straw and Trump was only going to be POTUS for a few more weeks, so they made the call to ban him regardless of not having one tweet to point to and say "This violates rule No.29".

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119989773#Comment_119989773

It's pretty hilarious to watch all this unfold because Musk is (or has to be) pro-science and pro-environment, when most of these people are anything but.

It's like they'll let any number of contradictions slide just to get behind any narcissist billionaire who they perceive as "sticking it to the libs".

.Donegal.

This isn’t a rhetorical question. Is the white rabbit a symbol for Qanon?

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1602490533586378755

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119990364#Comment_119990364

Indeed; Bezos sounds like he's a colossal díck himself, but does seem to have the self-awareness to just sit back and live his life of unimaginable wealth in exactly the manner you'd expect someone in his wealth status might do. At worst of late, he got some bad press for his giant super-yacht being incapable of leaving Rotterdam - not without dismantling its historic bridges - but that all reads so pedestrian, such "normal" billionaire behaviour compared with whatever the F is going on with Musk's brain right now.

Obviously the whole dystopian nightmare that is the Amazon workplace is another matter, but again, kinda straight-line issues you can put at the feet of Bezos; as opposed to the untangling ideological nonsense some would have us believe is Supreme Alpha Male behaviour. Honestly, I couldn't tell you a single thing about Bezos' politics, and in many ways that's kind of the point.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119990738#Comment_119990738

He was not subject to the T&Cs but he had "strikes" against him so under what T&Cs were those strikes?

As Wiess pointed outm, What is very clear is that Trump was subject to a completely different and arbitary set of rules to every other world leader just because the staff at Twitter wanted him gone

Dohnjoe

It's the equivalent of a fringe but very prolific poster on Boards.ie buying the site as a "business decision" but it being obvious to everyone else they want to turn it into their own play-thing to echo their personal views. Exacting their petty revenge on all the admins they'd ever had an issue with. Sacking half the mods. All under the veneer of "free speech" absolutism.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991394#Comment_119991394

Before "Twitter files": Twitter banned POTUS because of violations of T&C

After "Twitter files": Twitter banned POTUS, but not because of violations of T&C, it was simply an arbitrary decision because orange man bad.

But yes, nothingburger.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991394#Comment_119991394

Equally he was given a degree of latitude not afforded to anyone else for years by Twitter.

If "they" wanted him gone he had given them an almost endless number of opportunities before they actually decided to kick him.

There were literally dozens and dozens of tweets posted by Trump over the years that if you or I (or any "regular" person) posted we'd have been insta-banned without a moments notice.

Quin_Dub

An error that I've never seen before on Twitter.

"Twitter over capacity. Please wait a few moments and try again."

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991451#Comment_119991451

No he was not. Read the Bari Weiss thread on twitter before jumping in, good chap.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991394#Comment_119991394

He may have had strikes against his account based on the general T&Cs, but actions which would have been taken against a normal account for the same things weren't taken against Trump because he was POTUS. Twitter explained long before Jan 6th 2021 that accounts by public leaders weren't completely above Twitter's policies, but did acknowledge they'd be given more leeway, different actions taken etc.

I don't disagree about other world leaders, particularly those from countries who call for violence etc. Appropriate action should be taken against them. But Twitter didn't take the decision to ban Trump based on a few members of staff complaining about him. There were plenty of other times there were a lot of calls for Trump to be banned and Twitter decided not to, and instead gave him leeway (again, they implemented a new feature to combat Trump's covid misinformation in order to avoid taking action against him). There was ample reason to make a judgement call to ban him following Jan 6th, and like I said it was a decision that Facebook had already made a day earlier, even though Twitter was Trump's favoured platform.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991475#Comment_119991475

So, all the times Twitter publicly said that they didn't sanction him or delete his tweets "because he was President" have just been memory holed now have they?

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991475#Comment_119991475

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/publicinterest

Our highest priority is to protect the health of the public conversation on Twitter, and an important part of that is ensuring our rules and how we enforce them are easy to understand. In the past, we’ve allowed certain Tweets that violated our rules to remain on Twitter because they were in the public’s interest, but it wasn’t clear when and how we made those determinations. To fix that, we’re introducing a new notice that will provide additional clarity in these situations, and sharing more on when and why we’ll use it.

Serving the public conversation includes providing the ability for anyone to talk about what matters to them; this can be especially important when engaging with government officials and political figures. By nature of their positions these leaders have outsized influence and sometimes say things that could be considered controversial or invite debate and discussion. A critical function of our service is providing a place where people can openly and publicly respond to their leaders and hold them accountable.

With this in mind, there are certain cases where it may be in the public’s interest to have access to certain Tweets, even if they would otherwise be in violation of our rules. On the rare occasions when this happens, we'll place a notice – a screen you have to click or tap through before you see the Tweet – to provide additional context and clarity. We’ll also take steps to make sure the Tweet is not algorithmically elevated on our service, to strike the right balance between enabling free expression, fostering accountability, and reducing the potential harm caused by these Tweets. 

The above was introduced following repeated calls for Twitter to ban Trump due to some of his tweets.