The annual Teachers threaten to strike thread

machiavellianme

It's Easter break once again so that can only mean that the great minds at INTO, TUI and ASTI get their members together to dream up new reasons for action, or at least to threaten it. Apparently now they are suffering from excessive workload to boot. I guess it is rather hard to continue to outsmart such young minds in so few hours.

So what say you, wise folk of boards.ie, do this special bunch warrant being singled out for inflation matching wage hikes? Will it spill over to other areas of the Public and Civil service, thereby promoting further inflation?

Ah the annual attack the teachers thread..........

StevenToast

Won't someone please think of the teachers......

green123

Are they really trying to argue that a starting salary of almost 40k is not enough for someone straight out of college?

oceanman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242380/the-annual-teachers-threaten-to-strike-thread

ah but in fairness its hard being a teacher, they have to work a whole six months out of every year....not easy.

machiavellianme

Let's face it, it's an employee's market out there at present. If the poor teachers are so skilled and think they'd have less stress and workload elsewhere, why don't they pivot and do something else? See how much the rest of the world value their skills of correcting spelling mistakes and 2nd level math. Instead, they'd rather moan and threaten in the hope of getting more for less, while the rest of us fund them.

SEPT 23 1989

you would think after the show they made of themselves during the pandemic they would keep their heads down

Faugheen

Here we go, a bunch of clueless people throwing out the same moronic soundbytes about an issue they know f*ck all about.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946228#Comment_118946228

38,192 is a good starting salary, yes.

https://www.tui.ie/welcome-to-our-website/common-basic-scale-post-1111.5778.html

However, note that qualified accountants in Dublin start on 45k+, and I heard recently of a qualified sol starting in A&L Goodbody on 72k.

The teachers spends 5 or 6 years in college, with fees of 20k approx.

The accountant/sol spends 3yrs in college (9k fees) plus 3.5 yrs in a paid apprenticeship.

green123

38 thousand starting salary straight out of college

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946262#Comment_118946262

You go do it then if it’s so handy.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946262#Comment_118946262

Note that loads of teachers do not get full hours, so they don't earn 38,192 in their first year working.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946251#Comment_118946251

Precisely. You'd think that the teachers would learn to shut up about things at this stage since they've never really left the school mentality behind.

Economics101

The Accountants or Solicitors mentioned will not have the same job security, pension arrangements, or holiday entitlements as teachers.

Geuze

How does 38,192 in 2022 compare?

Here are the salaries of graduates of 2015-2018 from an MSc in Information Systems:

25-30k = 38.75%

30-40k = 36.25%

40-50k = 12.5%

50-70k = 6.25%

https://www.nuigalway.ie/courses/taught-postgraduate-courses/information-systems-management.html#course_why

Bear in mind that those MSc MIS graduate wages are higher by now.

The 38,192 is good, but not all teachers get full hours, and wages grow faster in other jobs.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946259#Comment_118946259

Teachers used to be qualified after 3 years but they increased it to 4 for Primary school teachers back in the early naughties. Secondary school is equally onerous. Some continue to do Masters or Higher Diplomas while already teaching.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946320#Comment_118946320

I see you’re trying to be funny but you’re the type of person I am talking about.

Why don’t you ‘learn to shut up about things’ you know nothing about?

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946323#Comment_118946323

That's a highly selective and misleading comparison. MSc in systems management is very likely to be a specialist skill in high demand in the tech sector. We can't all go there.

Ironically, teacher unions are dead against having higher salaries for scarce skills such as Maths, etc. Common salary for all, so that you either fail to attract the scarce skills or overpay the not-so-scarce skills.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946296#Comment_118946296

No no. That doesn’t suit the misery ward who know everything about anything.

TheValeyard

Lol, OP you the same person who had the same thread on reddit Ireland earlier?

spurious

Very few teachers get full hours straight out of college, but don't let that stop your bitch because of what Mr./Ms. Murphy said to you when you were 12.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946348#Comment_118946348

I was once a University lecturer so probably know more about it than most. Unlike teachers, my duties only began when out of the classroom. Supervising PhD students, laboratory assignments etc was all expected on top of the day job (which is to research and produce quality papers to secure further funding). There were no long summer holidays like primary and secondary level but at least I got some peace when the undergraduate population were off. It took 8 years of hard work and a PhD to secure my role and constantly needed to be at the forefront of my speciality which is a tad more complex than being a couple of pages ahead of the kids, but you can continue to fool yourself otherwise. The banality of teaching the same old material year in, year out was too frustrating for me so I changed career. Maybe you should too? Perhaps learn about something you didn't already know at 18, give yourself perspective and feel like you earned your pay increase rather than begging for one along with your peers with a sob story.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946471#Comment_118946471

So you’re bitter because you chose a different path?

Supervise a student teacher for a week and then come back to me with that bile if that’s how you really feel.

Also, I’m not a teacher, so I’ll ask you again not to make remarks on something you know f*ck all about.

Actually, do you know what? Since you like to throw your nose up at people I’d challenge you to go into a school in one of the most deprived areas in Dublin with the ‘be a couple of pages ahead’ attitude and see how you get on with it. That has to be one of the most ignorant, up-your-own-hole statements I’ve read on this forum and it truly shows to me that you have no clue about what it’s like to be a teacher in this day and age.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946366#Comment_118946366

No, I never used Reddit but I must go check it out.

I got the idea from last years thread:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058175175/the-annual-asti-easter-strike-threat

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946487#Comment_118946487

I'm not bitter, just disillusioned that one profession feels entitled to threaten holding the country to ransom every year.

What's your excuse for your bile and swearing. Not everyone has to agree with you and there's no need for sneering at others having an alternative opinion. Certain professions are paid for with the public purse so can rightly come under scrutiny. Others are private so should not be subjected to the same.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946536#Comment_118946536

No, nobody has to agree with me.

However when I see attitudes such as yours and the whole ‘two pages ahead of the students’ bollocks then I know I’m dealing with someone who has formed an opinion with no regard or facts to in anyway back it up.

By all means have an opinion, but as you rightly pointed out, I’m allowed to disagree with it.

Like I said, go into a school in the most deprived area of Ireland and just be two pages ahead of the students and see where it gets you.

green123

Faugheen and Geuze,

Why does this annoy you so much?

Why are you always so quick on these threads to defend the public service pay and huge pensions?

We should be trying to get better value public services for the people who use the service, not always more money for the workers who are already well paid.

Any money available should go employing more teachers, not to pay existing teachers more.

That would make a huge improvement with lower class sizes.

10000maniacs

We had a sweepstakes in the office.

Who will be the first group to whinge and whine with the current inflation rise. The cops, the Nurses or the Teachers.

I won.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118946561#Comment_118946561

You remarked about the ‘starting salary’, when the vast majority of new teachers find themselves on part-time or fixed-term contracts. Why did you leave that piece of information out?

sam t smith

^ Send your winnings to the teachers union of your choice please.

green123

Faugheen,

You mention deprived areas.

Will paying teachers more money help kids in deprived areas?

Surely it would be better to use the money to employ more teachers and assistants.

Yes, of course it would