Russia

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093563#Comment_119093563

Germany ravaged Ukraine in WW2. Again you have a view of history distorted by your petty prejudices and bizarre world views.

Ukraine aren't creating "Neo Nazi battalions", despite it's far-right associations in the beginning, Azov has fighters from many ethnicities, they were started by a Jew. They were ironically founded as a result of Russia's proxy invasion of Ukraine.

They make up a fraction of 1% of Ukraine's entire military. You literally think they are "World War 2 Nazi's" because you can't stop swallowing Kremlin koolaid on the matter. You also have beliefs that "German Nazis" are behind everything from 9/11 to the assassination of JFK.

Again, you live in a parallel universe where it's a literal "Nazi" division from 40's Germany and they will take over all of Ukraine and then attack Russia. This is actually what you think.

Russia is invading Ukraine to take it over, if they were "just there" for the Nazis or whatever nonsense, they wouldn't be converting territory into roubles and Russian birth certificates. They are there to occupy whatever they can take. To colonise. Again, you don't want to understand or grasp this because you can't stop swallowing whatever Moscow spoon feeds you, it contradicts your already contradictory beliefs.

Again, all this blends in with your Holocaust denial and bizarre history revisionism. But that's the level of this "debate"

Dohnjoe

Just your normal every day debate on the 9/11 conspiracy forum, slightly above the average

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093649#Comment_119093649

Jews worked with Nazis during World War II to hunt down their own people. Stepan Bandera became a national hero in Ukraine. His job was to slaughter Jews for the Nazis. There is a Neo Nazi problem in Ukraine, according to the Jewish Lobby. This isn't some alternative worldview you like to claim. You're bloody blind, even the Azov wear Nazi emblems. What does that say about them? White nationalists are going to Ukraine to fight Russia, and the west is backing them up. There's no problem when Nazis get airtime on CNN and other networks? I must leave busy now doing other things today, but you will deny it forever.

No matter how many people support them, these are military units, not citizens, and they have considerable influence over what goes on 

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093691#Comment_119093691

Lol brilliant, your knowledge of history is so warped and cherry-picked, you are regurgitating the same propaganda the Russian MOD used recently.

This will really blow your mind, Sonderkommando were Jews who helped Nazi's liquidate other Jews, quick run off to google and look it up and put it through your filtering system

There's no "Neo-Nazi" problem in Ukraine, the far-right have among the lowest political representation in Europe. It's an invention by Moscow.

Russia, with it's illegal invasion based on lies, filtration camps, and soldiers systematically murdering and raping Ukrainians, regular threats on national TV to nuke the Baltics and Europe is a much larger concern than fantasy "Nazis" to everyone else but you

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119093737#Comment_119093737

These are the kind of people whom you follow on Twitter, so it is not surprising that you do not learn much about Ukraine's neo-Nazi problem. Get your war news from these people. 

https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1527782381133959168

On his arm, he's got a SS NAZI insignia. He's the commander. So don't act like it's no big deal. Now he's being portrayed as some war hero on western channels. Let's give Reinhard Heydrich a war hero salute too.  

https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-war-ukrainian-troops-trapped-in-azovstal-steel-plant-say-they-fighting-heavy-bloody-battle-12605702

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094325#Comment_119094325

You just make up history and current affairs to fit bonkers narratives, which is why you have to post your views on Russia on a 9/11 forum.

I don't see anyone calling for the invasion of Russia, but I regularly see Russian politicians and TV pundits calling for attacks on Poland, Baltic states and Europe. If only there was some sort of defensive alliance to protect against that type of aggression, hmmm.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094358#Comment_119094358

You're either that dumb or you're just having a mental block. Western allies keep sending weapons to Ukraine, but Russia has never declared war on them. So who's the aggressor here? Even if you think Russia had no right to invade Ukraine, western nations are intervening in a conflict that directly affects Russians.. You're going to get threats if you bring in weapons that harm their military.  

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094397#Comment_119094397

Russia is the aggressor, they just annexed territory, invaded by proxy and now invaded Ukraine. 100% the aggressor.

A brutal totalitarian state is attacking a peaceful democratic nation, a war of conquest based on lies. Other countries have made their own decisions to provide defensive arms to help Ukraine protect itself as they are perfectly entitled to. Russia can end all of this at any point by getting out of it's neighbour's territory.

This drives you crazy because your world views involve blaming "the West" for pretty much everything.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094459#Comment_119094459

You probably don't want to remember that there was a revolution in Ukraine and the government was overthrown by neo nazis and armed groups? People in Crimea rose up and demanded independence. Ukraine wouldn't let them. Russia stepped in and let the people decide. There are Russians in Crimea, not Ukrainians. The Donbass and Lugansk people side with Russia as well, but Ukraine sent its army in to stop that. Don't believe in people choosing their own fate. Ukraine wanted war and got it in February 2022.  

Stop coming on here pretending all of Ukraine was at peace, having happy time of it, that evil Empire Russia invaded out of nowhere for no reason at all, 

 

Cheerful S

Western foreign policy is not rosy, that's why. Why can the west get rid of foreign leaders and nothing happens? Destroyed Syria, Iraq, Libya, all pretty rich countries by regional standards, for what? Because the leader at the time didn't support you?

There's a difference between what the west is doing and what Russia is doing. Russia protects people who need protection from another nation that's suppressing their culture. Has Putin ever invaded a country far away beyond its borders? As far as I know, never invaded any African or Middle Eastern country. Putin is not obsessed with conquering the west, he just wants friendly east countries to be friendly with his country. He's not like a Hitler at all, seeking global control, thats case only with the United States and UK.. 

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094589#Comment_119094589

Is it an hourly pay rate or paid per post? Do you get a medal for posting all this pro-Russian propaganda?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094665#Comment_119094665

The Russian military is doing the right thing and stripping these guys who surrendered in Mariupol. Videos on the internet show the soldiers with tattoos of Nazi symbols on their bodies. Here are two guys' tattoos who just left Azovstal and there are way too many on other men same **** to bother showing.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094947#Comment_119094947

I'm sorry, that's 2 pictures that could have been taken anywhere at any time, where's the proof that these are Ukrainian soldiers and taken recently?

It's telling that you don't deny you are posting from Moscow and are paid to post though. For someone who has accused others of being paid posters I would have thought you would have put that fire out at the first opportunity.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094498#Comment_119094498

Lol, it wasn't a revolution, it was a "US backed coup" remember? I have to remind you of your old conspiracy theories because you seem to forget them and mix them up. Always an annoying side effect of creative writing.

No one in Crimea "rose up", the Russians just arrived and annexed the country then held one of their fake referendums(tm).

It's always entertaining to watch you warp history to match your Clare Daly/Alex Jones style beliefs.

Ukraine was a relatively fine until Russia started poisoning their candidates, using others as puppets, annexing their territory and taking over a bunch of extremists who actually had no desire to join Russia, in order to start a war with Ukraine in the East. Could almost swear that Putin just wanted to, you know, take over the country. Wanted to turn it into Russia. Oh hey presto, in occupied Ukraine they are ripping up Ukrainian road signs and replacing them with Russian ones. Odd how exactly what was predicted is happening. Old fashioned brutal colonialism.

If only there was a defensive organisation that nations could freely chose to join to protect them against pressure from Putin's megalomaniac obsessions. Moldova is thanking their lucky stars that Ukraine has held on, because they are next on the chopping block, next to be absorbed into Putin's empire.

Speaking of which, amazing isn't it, year by year, Putin's empire seems to keep growing. Transnistria, N Georgia, Crimea, Donbas, now Ukraine. Belarus is on the list too, but the lapdog there is playing ball so they get to keep up the pretense.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119094947#Comment_119094947

Oh look, Russian Nazi's. Being awarded a medal no less. Since you are so "concerned" about Nazi's, I suggest you will be very worried about this

And NeoNazi's in the Wagner group

Does this information support your insane world views? If yes, it's true. If no, attack it :)

King Mob

Lol cheerful really can't help but to show off his holocaust denial.

It's like he's bursting to talk about it but he knows that will get him banned and make him a pariah even among other theorists.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119095271#Comment_119095271

Again, this is a lack of self-awareness. The Ukraine was neutral and had good ties with the West until it underwent a pro-western revolution, and the government, backed by the USA, started acting aggressively against Russia. Everything might have been different if this new government had reestablished relations with Russia after a coup. Plus, you ignore that the majority of Crimea's population is Russian.

This is like saying that most loyalist protestants (Crimeans) want a united Ireland (stay with Ukraine) but the UK (Russia) is stopping it? It doesn't make sense at all, but a warped view probably does. Those with thick skulls don't see the residents of Crimea don't want anything to do with Ukraine as long as the ruling party is hostile.

Ignore history and forget that Putin negotiated the Minsk agreements and the ceasefire with the west and Ukraine. President Putin said Donbas and Lugansk should be part of Ukraine, but with some autonomy. Ukraine current government don't respect the agreements signed, and just want war when Ukraine keeps shelling the area and threatening to retake it. To get the west to bargain and solve the Ukraine problem forever, Putin mobilized forces, but they only gave him threats and told him if he invaded he would suffer. The discrepancy in leadership and a weak west led to Russia invading because it couldn't trust the west to fulfill its promises anymore about Ukraine..

It's interesting how all these tiny states are close to Russia. All Putin cares about is security for his country, and not having to worry about a military alliance getting closer to them and threatening them. 

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119095242#Comment_119095242

I've seen the videos there real and you see the same place they surrendered as shown on western TV. West media doesn't show Russian soldiers asking them to take off their clothes because it destroys the narrative that no Nazis are fighting there.

I doubt Russia would care to spend all of this time on a fringe part of the site to debate just a few people. Think about it. If we have a different view of what's going on in Ukraine, it's most likely that we're all working for Moscow then? Okay, whatever.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119095284#Comment_119095284

This dude's from the DPR born in Ukraine. I don't think he's from Russia. He probably got told to get rid of it by his superiors after that.

Try to portray that as a similar thing to Ukraine forming entire battalions of neo nazis to fight Russia. Some single guys in Russia and one in DPR are white nationalists, find here. Azovtal defended by Neo Nazis, and their uniforms have Waffen SS badges and stuff. Don't support them because you believe Ukraine is right. No problem if you wanna support the normal soldiers of Ukraine!.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090939#Comment_119090939

I've never met a Holocaust denier / minimizer that has an IQ that even approaches celsius boiling point, so your opaque flex that you're some sort of polyglot who reads Goethe in its original German or Gogol in Russian is a very very lame attempt at saving face and worthy of mockery.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096953#Comment_119096953

Your own post earlier in the thread.

""There is no playbook for what deadlines and timeframes were established here at the Kremlin.""

Here at the Kremlin, the Kremlin is in Moscow. Going by your OWN words you are posting from Moscow, you are a Russian disinformation poster.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097134#Comment_119097134

Spend your time with people who share your worldview, instead of replying to me. Enough posters already to deal with. 

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097236#Comment_119097236

My job is with the GRU, I've told you before.

Thank you for visiting.

Take care comrade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAzofLc3DMk&t=23s&ab_channel=ekansresources

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097433#Comment_119097433

Regrettably for you, you share a world (and indeed a message board platform) with people who are both free and willing to expose your nonsense for what it is.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097501#Comment_119097501

In a forum that shares your worldview, that's not surprising. On the internet, I can go somewhere else and find more people who agree with me. Look at the ban list for the Ukraine thread to see how boards censor opinions too. It was a page long with a lot of opinions, but they stopped it.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097599#Comment_119097599

You were in good company of re-reg trolls, cranks, the deluded and lost on that ban list

One of the tragedies of the internet. All of the world's information and knowledge at your fingertips - you could use it to educate yourself and cultivate depth of knowledge, but you choose to find the dark corners of anti-Semitism and conspiracy theory and roll around in that filth. And sadder still, you try to convince yourself you know something others don't, and play the mourning fiddle for yourself that you're being censored you poor divil. Deeply sad.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097798#Comment_119097798

Conspiracy theorists like the idea of being banned cause it let's them play up being a rebel with dangerous ideas. They never consider it might be vmbecause they just aren't very good at having adult discussions.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097457#Comment_119097457

So you admit that you are a paid pro-Russian troll, thanks for clarification

Now everyone knows not to take you seriously.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119096905#Comment_119096905

Like any rational sovereign country they wanted more ties with the prosperous EU (and less with corruption addled Russia)

That was a big no-no for the empire builder next door. So they got annexed, invaded and fully invaded.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119097023#Comment_119097023

Strange isn't it. You are utterly hysterical about Nazi's on one side, completely make excuses for any on the other.