Carlo Ancelotti the greatest manager of all time?

Ancelotti has now won the league title in the top five major leagues along with three champions leagues

StringerBell

He sure has.

thebaz

No, you could say he helped create the mess at Everton , building half a team and then splitting mid project, after saying he was ther for the long haul. obviously not a fan, hope City do a job next week.

gimli2112

you spelled Jurgen Klopp wrong

Mr.Nice Guy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998407#Comment_118998407

You could also say getting them to finish where they did was a remarkable feat. Imagine thinking a coach should reject Real Madrid to stay at Everton.

He's proven himself one of the greatest coaches ever. If Madrid win the CL, he'll be in the discussion for greatest ever.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998596#Comment_118998596

Spent a load of money on a lobsided team - playing **** football , and ending up mid table , saying he was ther for the long haul - and today the remnants of that team will probably be releagated , hardly greatest manager of all time - taking over at Real with the players they had, many other good manager could maintain that.

Mr.Nice Guy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998636#Comment_118998636

I'm sure he'd much prefer to give up his La Liga winner's medal and a potential place in the CL final to be battling it out with Wolves for 10th every season. Everton were punching well above their weight getting him in the first place.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998646#Comment_118998646

No, wish we never got him , as said he started an expensive build and left us with half a team , and its been downhill ever since , so to hear on the day we are probably relegated , that he is greatest manager of all time , not having it - sign of a great manager to me , is winning at a smaller clubs , not winning leagues at PSG, Chelsea and a team bankrolled by the King of Spain .

Not really.

Aside from his time at AC Milan, his CV is chockablock full of a season or two here and there, generally at the top teams where they're expected to win the league.

He was with AC Milan nearly a decade and won ONE Serie A with that incredible AC Milan team, and when that team aged, he wasn't able to rebuild.

Excellent CV but very superficial.

JPA

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998698#Comment_118998698

If Everton was properly run, the multiple managers they have been through wouldn't have been given free rein in the market, there has to be some kind of plan, or overall structure.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998791#Comment_118998791

Of course Everton has not been run well , but the relegation rot really set in over the past 10 months , obviously not all on Ancelotti, but to hear on the day that his old project probably got relegated , that he is the greatest manager of all time , is a bit muchwhen I'm in a **** mood

Xander10

If he won something at Everton, I'd me more impressed.

Fitz*

Something that's kinda mad is that he has 'only' won 5 league titles, bit each league title was in a different country.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118998847#Comment_118998847

Everton are irrelevant. Ye've had two of the best managers in history and did **** all. Ye sacked one of them.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119016392#Comment_119016392

Granted Ancelotti is a great manager , not the greatest , but Rafa is well past his sell by

NIMAN

Arguments about who is the greatest of all time, no matter what the context, will never reach agreement. Too many different opinions.

But most football fans will agree he is certainly in the top managers of all time. Anyone who says he isn't, either are trolling or don't know anything about football.

Maybe. Who is better?

StringerBell

Alexander Chapman Ferguson.

Dominated the English football with the richest club in the world? Him? Scraped two European Cup in 25 years with the biggest richest club in Europe? No

Cookiemunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119019215#Comment_119019215

Take off the blinkers. 3 Scottish Leagues, 4 Scottish Cups, 1 Scottish League Cup and a Cup Winners Cup (beating Real Madrid) at Aberdeen. Then at Utd, 13 PLs, 5 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 2CL and another CWC. There were also two CL final losses to Peps Barca.

Also for the first 15 or so years of his reign, Utd were a long long way from being the richest club in the world. They were a basket case when he took over and wouldn't be the financial power house they are today if he hadn't won the trophies that he did.

Are you saying I am the horse?

Strange thing.

Aberdeen career great. That he has.

For me winning in different cultures and languages must be worth more than staying safe at home.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118999747#Comment_118999747

People love a narrative though, so you can see why this will ring heavier for some people than if he’d won 10 in 3 countries.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119019518#Comment_119019518

On the other hand if you don't win the league with psg and Bayern it's generally counted against you. Nearly the same with real.

He underachieved domestically with Milan and there's little disputing that. A team with Gattuso, Pirlo, Rui Costa, Seedorf, Kaka, Inzaghi, Shevchenko, Nesta, Maldini, Ambtosini, Kaladze, Cafu. Dida was arguably their weak link, but that squad from 02-07 should've been mopping up titles for fun.

It's frightening just how good a squad that was. Even had rivaldo at one point and of course Jon Dahl Tommasson. I loved that team, but felt they underachieved.

tastyt

He had Everton 2nd in the table at one stage but yea, Ancellotti was their problem

One way of judging is that you rarely , if ever hear a player that has played under him criticise him

Tactically outfoxed Pep in the semi too

trashcan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119020539#Comment_119020539

Tactically outfoxed Pep in the semi final ? Not so sure about that. They were going out of the competition and had been outplayed in the match until the 90th minute. Now it was a magnificent turnaround, and He’s clearly a great manager, no doubt in the running for best ever with his record, but tactically outfoxed ? Nah, don’t think so.

tastyt

I think everyone would agree that city have a better and younger squad at the moment

Pep made some very poor substitutions and in extra time when the game needed to be won again he had no de Bruyne or Mahrez on the pitch . Ancellotti brought the match winner off the bench , took his older players off and got legs on to make sure real had the energy. I think it’s fair to say that tactically he got more out of his squad over the 2 legs than Pep did

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119047545#Comment_119047545

Think it's more just a case of game momentum. Winning by 2 on aggregate, he brought off a KDB who was having a particularly poor game in favour of a more controlling midfield player in Gundogan with less than 20 minutes left. At the same time, Walker for Zinchenko was just a like-for-like with Walker injured. Then with 10 minutes left, another reasonably like-for-like with Graelish for Jesus. Fresh legs. Makes sense. Then with 5 minutes left - and still a 2 goal advantage - brought on a defensive midfielder for an attacker with Fernandinho on for Mahrez. Again, makes total sense.

I just don't know how any of those can be described as poor, let alone "very poor" substitutions. They all make total sense in context with a 2 goal advantage. The fact that Real pulled off an absolute miracle scoring 2 from the 90th minute onwards can hardly be placed on Pep - the team of players that was out there should have had the experience and nous to close that game out, but they totally lost their heads. Now, I think Pep should have been on his feet screaming at them to calm down and keep the ball after they conceded the first, and should have done a better job of resetting the team's confidence and mentality once it went to extra time (they still had decent forwards in Foden, Graelish and Sterling on the pitch) - but those are separate criticisms.

I just can't see a problem with the subs made, when they were made, given the game state in each case.

Mr.Nice Guy

Has to be on the Mount Rushmore of great coaches now. Delighted for him.

NIMAN

It all depends on who you ask I suppose.

But he's up there.

Whatever he said at half time worked anyway. They were a poor side coming 2nd best to every tackle in the 1st half, and we're overrun, but 2nd half they were a different team.