How does Israel Get way with this

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120803496#Comment_120803496

The Pillagers in Jerusalem are the oppressors and occupiers, this conflict has very little to do with religion.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804405#Comment_120804405

It has everything to do with religion and holy sites and promised lands and groups of people who think they are the righteous. The roots go a long way back

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120802798#Comment_120802798

A number of new groups, independent of the corrupt PLO, have sprung up in the west bank, hence the current attempt at oppression.

Backed by the Yankee dollar while the EU looks on a pretends to tut-tut.

Palestinians should try bleach their skin.

tayto lover

Eleven dead now including children. Awful oppression.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804968#Comment_120804968

Just highlights the utter hypocrisy of American foreign policy. What moral right have they to criticize any country on the planet while they are funding this Apartheid regime to commit war crime after war crime.

You just have to see how quiet this thread is compared to the Russia one to see how conditioned people are to gloss over crimes that so called "democracies" commit.

Astartes

If we just pretend Israel is Russia and Ukraine is Palestine could we get a minutes feckin peace, please?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120805550#Comment_120805550

You just have to see how quiet this thread is compared to the Russia one to see how conditioned people are to gloss over crimes that so called "democracies" commit.

Because it's a pointless battle that everyone is tired to death of trying to bring awareness to. The States is locked in, and most of the time dissent from that position is defacto smeared as antisemitism, I've had otherwise very reasonable friends and colleagues ostracize and block me under that banner for calling out apartheid tactics. Either way the UN security council veto keeps the situation deadlocked and there is zero political will to change this paradigm, we can only guess at the reasons why, but it is not a winning political issue in the United States and I fear, never will be.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804979#Comment_120804979

35 children since the start of the year afaik.

I didn't see RTE news tonight but their reporting of it yesterday was a disgrace.

You'd swear the refugee camp was in the middle of Tel-Aviv.

They got a comment from an IDF spokesperson but apparently they couldn't find a single Palestinian in...Palestine.

purifol0

Fun fact, in the 1970's Scientologists successfully infiltrated the US govt/civil service

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White

Now they were a tiny but very organized fringe religion with quite a lot of zealots.

They were caught and prosecuted.

Now if you were to say look at the amount of Jews in the US govt, including nearly every one of the advisors in the Whitehouse. You might also think it's strange that Jews are <2% of the US population are so vastly overrepresented in all these extremely influential positions.

Or how Russian interference with their elections is bad, but Israel doing the same thing is good.

Or how sending $50Bn to Ukraine was controversial but Israel gets $$$$ every year with no fuss.

Hmmmm

SouthWesterly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806259#Comment_120806259

Fixed that for you. Your welcome.

I didn't see RTE news tonight but their reporting of it yesterday was a disgrace.

You'd swear the refugee camp was in the middle of Tel-Aviv.

They got a comment from an IDF spokesperson but apparently they couldn't find a single Palestinian in...Israel.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806541#Comment_120806541

You're* welcome.

Happy to return the favour.

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120804968#Comment_120804968

Don’t expect Ursula to say much..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65413810.amp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806753#Comment_120806753

It's no wonder why people don't trust the EU. I'm pro-EU but I honestly understand why people are anti-EU.

Ursula was literally elected via secret ballot.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20190711IPR56824/parliament-elects-ursula-von-der-leyen-as-first-female-commission-president

Sand

People need to start waking up to the hypocrisy of this. There's been 80 years of routine inhuman brutality and cruelty by the Israelis against the Palestinians to the extent that people seem to accept it's normal. It's okay. It's not okay.

10 years ago, I thought the Israelis had a point. I thought that the Palestinians - however justified they might be - had to negotiate for peace as the weaker party in the conflict. I was mistaken (sorry to posters I disagreed with then, you were right, I was wrong) - I viewed the conflict as a non-zero sum issue where the Israelis had total military dominance but were willing - even eager - to live in peace with their neighbours. I thought the Palestinians being weaker were crazy to fight. They ought to accept reality and make peace, even if not ideal. That's clearly incorrect - the Israeli's are not interested in any future where the Palestinians survive. The existing reality where the Israelis are unconditionally backed by a global superpower in their year by year building of a Greater Israel over the graves of the Palestinian people is preferable for them to any deal which might restrict that expansion.

Now I can only admire the stubborn resistance of the Palestinians. For 8 decades, in the darkest and most grim times, against an invading force which views them only as a sub-human infestation, they have resisted and held on, house by house, street by street. Maybe the Palestinians will lose - but they really are fighting to keep some hope alive for their sons and daughters, as their fathers and mothers did for them. How can you not admire that?

The question we as Irish people, and the EU more generally, has to ask is at what point are we going to impose the sort of total sanctions on Israel that we did against South Africa? How long are we going to pretend we don't know what's going on in Palestine?

.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806777#Comment_120806777

That's one hell of a change of opinion. Respect.

I don't know if there's a solution.

Robert Fisk (RIP) was in the Middle East for forty years. He interviewed Bin Laden before Bin Laden was famous and Fisk's summary was there definitely won't be a two state solution.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806488#Comment_120806488

Jews and Israel are not inseparable entities. The majority of the jewish diaspora are against the occupation.

purifol0

Yes and these people are called anti semitic self hating Jews by Zionist Jews/Israel. If they are famous or prominent they are often "cancelled", this pre dates modern cancel culture.

However if you take a longer look at history, you may find that Jewish people traditionally have always been close knit and even today, have an extreme in-group preference. That means they will favour Jews over anyone else. This is playing out in Israel certainly, but again right through history, this nepotism/cronyism meant that they often were kicked out of regions wholesale (often for usury which is what Jesus got violent about in the money changers temple). But also for collusion in govt. As happened in Weimar Germany where govt was basically vast majority Jews

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808322#Comment_120808322

Even by the standard of the Einsatzgruppe Ireland membership that largely populate this thread you are blunt in your expression.

At least you are direct about it.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808322#Comment_120808322

Conspiracy theory nonsense, tbh. If you want to know (one of )the main reasons the US supports Israel, its the Evangelicals.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808806#Comment_120808806

What nonsense, but an easy pill to swallow for those who are blinded by their hatred of Christianity. Why then exactly do Democrats often vote inline with Israel's interests? They hardly have a large Evangelical base. It wouldn't have anything do to with the amount of money the likes of AIPAC pumps into both parties?

Everlong1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806488#Comment_120806488

F*ck me, that is incredible. Never heard of that before. I've only had a quick skim through that Wikipedia file but looking forward to reading it in detail. And here was me thinking that the Scientologists came under the "crazy but essentially harmless" category.

You can probably expect to be banned or otherwise sanctioned though for the comments about Jewish influence in Government.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120806784#Comment_120806784

Fisk also spent his last years as an apologist for the Assad regime.

If he was alive today I expect he'd blame the US and NATO for the war in Ukraine.

He did some great reporting but was also blinded by ideology at times. A complex figure

nacho libre

Was he an apologist? Or is it that he saw the wider geo political struggle that was going on in Syria. As for Ursula, I would not agree with everything Boyd Barret has to say, but he was bang on when he addressed Ursula in the Dail. Look it up if you have not seen it before.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808806#Comment_120808806

Hardly any evangelicals vote Democrat , there are a number of equally strong reasons why both parties unconditionally back Israel ( and this unconditional support is much stronger today than say twenty five years ago)

1. hugely influential Jewish financial power in America
2. America likes having the Arab st preoccupied with a particular non Muslim state as it means business as usual which benefits American interests
3. 3. Israel is a way that America can project power through the Middle East indirectly

so America and Israel mutually benefit from the special relationship ( and it’s miles more special than the America - UK alleged “ special relationship “)

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809056#Comment_120809056

He was right about the Israeli Palestinian conflict but like nearly all leftists was quick to blame everything on the west regardless of circumstances

Odhinn

Jenin as it stands

"Until now, reports have come in of aerial strikes and a ground invasion by tanks, APCs, bulldozers and hundreds of soldiers. Ten people have reportedly been killed so far, and hundreds injured, some critically. Evacuating the wounded has been a challenge as the military destroyed roads inside the camp as well as access roads to it. Hospitals are overrun and having difficulty providing the injured who have been evacuated with the care they need. Water, power and internet services have reportedly been cut off, and medical centers have sustained damage. Homes and other private property have also sustained massive damage. Thousands of civilians - children, women, men and the elderly - have been forced to flee their homes, some without knowing where they might go."

https://www.btselem.org/firearms/20230704_jenin_refugee_camp_is_home_of_thousands_of_people_not_a_battlefield

purifol0

Its quite funny folks mentioning I should/could/would be banned for my comments here. The thread title "is how does Israel keep getting away with it", but if you delve into the actual reasons & history (lets face it, this isn't a new development), you could face sanction.

I've mentioned how scientologists successfully infiltrated many layers of the US govt, and while there appointed and promoted fellow scientologists therefore increasing their numbers and power. But when you point out Jews have done the exact same thing...well.

A few years back when an Irish aid ship was on the way to deliver aid to Palestinians, it was boarded & raided by the IDF. And so Pat Kenny had a live interview with the Israeli ambassador to Ireland. Now Pat wasn't buying all the one sided stuff Irish were people were saying, so he took a neurtral stance in the interview and he made her reasurred her saying it wasnt an ambush. It took less than 2 minutes until he was being called anti-semitic. Pat got angry, and defensive, he was absolutely aghast at this. He simply couldn't believe it. In the pre twitter era it was a big deal. He learned a hard lesson that day.

Brussels Sprout

The whole cycle is so infuriating and depressing.

1. Israel expands its illegal settlement network
2. Settlers provoke and harass Palestinians
3. The IDF subject Palestinians to daily rituals of humiliations
4. Gaza is treated like an open air prison sealed off from the outside world
5. The governments of the rest of the world look the other way
6. Palestinians eventually erupt in bitterness and anger and lash out
7. Israelis get to smash the Palestinians citing counter-terrorism

Rinse and repeat

The only difference is that the Israelis seem to be even more brazen now given how many Settler Parties are in the current government, while at the same time the Palestinians keep losing support from even previously friendly Arab governments.