LIV Golf Invitational League...... NO Political/Ethical conflict posts, see Post#2

fullstop · 08-12-2023 9:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121472599#Comment_121472599

Lot of good players gone, but the product is so bad I wouldn’t even dream of watching it. Even the website is horrendous.

Mantis Toboggan · 08-12-2023 9:53pm

Rahm is some turncoat but must be very hard when offered so much money, to hear Rahm saying he wants to grow the game was comical.

Standard events will suffer like we won't have Rahm coming back as 2 time Irish champion but the majors will become more fascinating as we'll have the LIV guys versus the good guys, a Ryder cup style event of PGA TOUR vs LIV would be amazing.

callaway92 · 08-12-2023 9:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121472785#Comment_121472785

Exactly

and those ‘grow the game ‘ comments are the exact ones Rahm was giving out stink about when other people used them excuses.

I wouldn’t want a PGA vs LIV event. It would only glamourise and increase potential popularity in LIV which I wouldn’t like at all

Shank Williams · 08-12-2023 11:37pm

Delighted for jay Monahan - **** him.

why should anyone be loyal to the pga tour?

now if only LIV would change pretty much everything about their product i might watch

AyeGer · 08-12-2023 11:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121472785#Comment_121472785

The lesson from this Rahm turnaround is players should just keep quiet and get on with their golf. Rahm has totally gone back on his word for the money. I don't blame him for taking an offer like that. But he has shown the world his word means nothing.

Rory is another guy who opens his mouth far too quickly (and often), he is out there batting for the PGA Tour, an american tour when he himself is European. If more and more players go to LIV its going to be embarrassing for Rory to backtrack on all he has said.

fullstop · 09-12-2023 12:27am

Just saw his interview with Sky Sports. Holy crap, what a steaming pile of **** 💩 😂 talking about how he was drawn by the “innovation of the product” to join LIV after ripping the same ‘product’ a year ago and how he can “reach a bigger audience” now. Newsflash, Jon, about 15,000 people watch that ****. Brings Seve up as well, which is jarring, Seve would be turning in his grave.

kowloonkev · 09-12-2023 6:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473321#Comment_121473321

He stayed loyal to the PGA Tour when it supposedly stood for something. When the PGA Tour got into bed with LIV everything previous was erased.

Str8outtaWuhan · 09-12-2023 6:41am

Lads, how soon we forget when Johnny sexton took the Frenchman's franc and abandoned Irish rugby only for the irfu to forgo their policy of not picking foreign based players. Not too many pointing that out a few years later when he is Ireland's golden boy again. Same will happen to rahm. He is too big and the pga will make exceptions.

Mantis Toboggan · 09-12-2023 7:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473762#Comment_121473762

Is Rahm bigger now that Bryson or Brooks were when they left?

Mantis Toboggan · 09-12-2023 8:29am

If they get Aberg then I might be done watching golf outside of the 4 majors and Irish open.

dublin49 · 09-12-2023 12:12pm

I suppose a golfer like Paul Dunne Laughs when he hears tour advocates talk about loyalty.You get treated really well by Tours/sponspors if you keep delivering but your very much on your own if you lose your game.Now you could argue thats life but in team sports you have the safety net of a contract that will at least provide a breathing space while you try recover your form.

Russman · 09-12-2023 12:33pm

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I'd argue he probably is. IMHO Bryson always had that hint of "circus freak show" about him when he gained all the distance, and almost wasn't taken seriously, Brooks, despite all his majors, was never interested in playing the PR game, totally forgettable. Maybe its because he's European, but I think Rahm has (or maybe now, had) that "potentially an all time great" aura about him.

Trampas · 09-12-2023 12:36pm

Let him them all go but it’s the bs liv make them say and thinking people believe it. Growing game, world ranking points l, looking after my family etc just bs. Just admit it you got offended huge money which was to go to turn down. Nobody would hold it against you.

Nobody will mention his name until the masters.

kowloonkev · 09-12-2023 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474407#Comment_121474407

He was offered that money before and turned it down. The reason he took it now is because the PGA changed its tune.

FixdePitchmark · 09-12-2023 2:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473412#Comment_121473412

Whilst I do agree with your post ...is it not fair to say Seve was king of appearance money and practically invented himself as a commodity..and challenged most things around the structure of the game..

big_drive · 09-12-2023 10:19pm

I don't exactly get what Liv are actually getting from all this. Ploughing in massive sums of cash but no return. Nobody actually watches, there's no tv deals,etc.

I've zero interest in watching, don't find it appealing. I like watching Rahm as he's a serious golfer but I'm not going to start watching Liv because he's now there. I'd still prefer a European tour event or PGA tour event where you have a story of a young player trying to get a breakthrough win or similar story, just find it more real

Str8outtaWuhan · 09-12-2023 10:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473797#Comment_121473797

He was always bigger, always looked dangerous in a major over last 5 seasons imho.EU tour have major issue now having set precedent of sacking a captain from Liv will they allow John to play in 2025

PokeHerKing · 10-12-2023 11:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476959#Comment_121476959

Presumably the long game is to get that exposure and become THE world tour, replacing PGA at the top.

Id have to assume thats what will eventually happen as money talks and the Arabs have a bottomless pit at the moment. Might take a few more years.

Once it's on sky sports I'll watch it.

Russman · 10-12-2023 12:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121476959#Comment_121476959

I think with Norman in charge its simply a case of "some men just want to watch the world burn". He's always wanted a world tour and tried to set one up back in the 90s I think it was. I'd half think the Saudis even now don't really give a F about the golf now that they have their World Cup. In a worst case scenario, they won't even miss the couple of billion they'll throw at LIV, and if there's any upside, like controlling a world tour, so much the better.

Its weird, part of me likes the idea of the PGAT being taken down a notch and given a taste of their own medicine, but then part of me thinks LIV is a pile of sh1te with all sorts of issues. As big a fan of Rory as I am, it does sicken me a little to see a European being the main cheerleeder for the PGA Tour. I hope he realises now there are no friends in big business, ditches the simulator golf idea, and gets back to just being a top golfer.

Trampas · 10-12-2023 12:53pm

I said long time ago if Norman wasn’t involved it wouldn’t be as big an issue. He has a personal problem with pga tour and couldn’t give a flying …. About the game of golf

Mantis Toboggan · 10-12-2023 1:07pm

Apparently Tony Finau & Tyrell Hatton set to join Rhambo's team.

Trampas · 10-12-2023 5:39pm

Hatton get allowance for cursing and flinging clubs?

tayto lover · 10-12-2023 9:16pm

Rory could have his very own tour soon.

slave1 · 11-12-2023 9:31am

LOL, can't believe noone in Rors back room have not told him to zero comment on all this Liv stuff, honestly...just go play golf

PARlance · 11-12-2023 9:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121474456#Comment_121474456

I'm not sure I can blame him after the PGA Tour announced its intended partnership with LIV last summer.

Golf as a viewing spectacle is on the slide big time.

newport2 · 11-12-2023 11:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121481636#Comment_121481636

I think a merge is inevitable now. With Rahm gone, there are less and less appealing players to watch and the PGAT knows every one of them has a price. I can see them either allowing players to play both as part of a deal or a merger within a year. Either way, the Saudi's will have got what they want, owning a large chunk of world golf and the PGAT. They know LIV itself is lacking in appeal and not drawing viewers, it's just a leverage tool used as a means to an end. They aren't buying players like Rahm to enhance LIV, they're doing it to diminish the PGAT and force their hand to a deal.

PARlance · 11-12-2023 12:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482067#Comment_121482067

And they have achieved that (diminished the PGAT) fairly significantly from my perspective anyway.

While I don't like to see Rahm doing it, I have the feeling that the players who don't take the money will feel absolutely shafted when a merge / agreement etc is found in the coming years.

FixdePitchmark · 11-12-2023 12:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121481594#Comment_121481594

Don't agree fully - he does talk too much and offer his opinion a bit too much.

But like my sports to have the characters - enough robots and dull golfers and pros out there.

Seve OB · 11-12-2023 2:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121473412#Comment_121473412

I'm not sure it's fair to say that he brought Seve up. Was he not specifically asked about "what would Seve think"? I don't however think he should have answered that, actually I don't think there is really any time anyone should ever speak for someone else, especially a dead person

JIdontknow · 11-12-2023 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121482113#Comment_121482113

I agree. For someone like Rahm to move you'd have to wonder is there something going on in the background discussions that players don't agree with, Rory steps down as players advocate (don't blame him btw), Tiger even commenting on the slowness with some changes in governance being implemented. Rahms move will also pave the way for others to move, as some have been rumored.

bobster453 · 11-12-2023 4:31pm

Watched the Grant Invitational at weekend and often watch LPGA tour events.

Great golf and no sh1te about LIV and overpaid prima donnas.

No hairy faces on LPGA either..well..apart from 1 or 2 but thats another days story.

kowloonkev · 12-12-2023 5:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121483416#Comment_121483416

Said as if the lady golfers would not just at the chance if offered.

AyeGer · 12-12-2023 10:44am

I thought the Grant Thornton Mixed comp was very good, I’ve been watching a good bit of women’s golf over the last few years and already knew how good they were.

Id highly recommend the Women’s Irish Open too, I was there this year. Very high standard of golf and a great atmosphere.

AyeGer · 12-12-2023 10:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478307#Comment_121478307

It looks like Tony is next for sure. A lot of reliable sources talking about it with him hinting at it too.

Rikand · 12-12-2023 11:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485786#Comment_121485786

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0uzjGMvEkt/?igshid=NjMyZDczNDVlMg==

Post on his Instagram yesterday with the hashtag #imnotleaving - so doesn't look like he's on the way to LIV

Trampas · 12-12-2023 11:36am

Freddie couples talking about how if liv is so good then why doesn’t someone move for free. Doesn’t have an issue with the money but it’s the bs they come out with

RoadRunner · 12-12-2023 11:38am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485847#Comment_121485847

Good to hear! Tony is one of the best low-key watches on the PGA. Gifted, but has struggled to close out (which makes watching him that more exciting) Came across very well on the netflix series.

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Also the bits I saw of the Grant Thornton mixed was really good. The man missing a putt but his female partner getting it sparked off a few questions from my daughter, as she hadn't seen this format before and ended up watching some of it with me.

Mantis Toboggan · 12-12-2023 12:25pm

Yeah hopefully Tony stays but it's only recently Rahm said he'd no interest in LIV so we'll see what happens.

Trampas · 12-12-2023 5:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121486164#Comment_121486164

Rahm looked at home liv would grow the game. That was the deciding factor. Wasn’t growing his bank account

Sorbet · 12-12-2023 10:03pm

Thought this one is worth a read on the topic.

https://nolayingup.com/blog/jon-rahm-the-rollback-and-an-entire-reevaluation

fullstop · 14-12-2023 11:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121485992#Comment_121485992

Freddie is spot on. They’re just shills for the…Saudis. Rahm not allowed give interviews now, good job growing the game Jon.

https://x.com/nuclrgolf/status/1735128644702364053?s=61&t=GLVgFVRyXm-jPCnv6S7fXQ

Jack Daw · 03-01-2024 7:12pm

What a shock, Rory McIlroy a man known for making big pronouncements and then back tracking has done it again in relation to LIV

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/39234251/rory-mcilroy-says-was-too-judgmental-liv-defectors

I wonder how much he is going to get from them?

Mantis Toboggan · 03-01-2024 9:02pm

Best part of that is when 12 year old Rory asked Keano for an autograph in Portmarnock hotel in 01 and Roy told him "not today Kiddo" Classis Roy 😁 excellent interview.

The Big Easy · 03-01-2024 11:37pm

Rory has the increasingly rare humility to admit making a mistake or misjudgment.

I can see why that wouldn't be respected on a message board.

kowloonkev · 04-01-2024 6:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121567656#Comment_121567656

And then when Rory was saying he doesn't mind them leaving as long as they don't try to blow up the place on the way out...thought Jamie might point the finger at Roy again 😅

Rory's idea of IPL of golf was interesting. Don't think he'd say that if it wasn't being discussed. But there's just no way this team golf idea is of any interest to fans unless it's nations competing.

slave1 · 04-01-2024 2:26pm

I think the teams is US centric where college golf is all teams, also linking into future franchises like F1 so huge potential payoff for team owners.

Personally means nothing to me