LIV Golf Invitational League...... NO Political/Ethical conflict posts, see Post#2

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148502#Comment_119148502

Fair enough, maybe not reported in detail by the media throughout the years. But there was enough talk outside of mainstream media to paint the picture I think.

I've certainly had him down as a "bit of a gambler" for years. And I mean that in an Irish sense... I.e a chronic/compulsive gambler.

The Big Easy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148569#Comment_119148569

Must've had a few glasses of red before making that call!

The Big Easy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.golfmagic.com/pga-tour/phil-mickelson-young-reporter-problem-just-throw-first-punch%3famp

Interesting background to his "realtionship" with Shipnuck and obviously mutual beef that they've held onto for years.

SeeMoreBut

DJ and Gmac got dropped by RBC

Richard Hillman

It will be interesting to see who the team leaders will be for the LIV. Apparently they will be getting a percentage of the franchise rights. Obviously they tried to get Jack Nicklaus involved but he wasn't interested.

Norman was mentioning Crickets IPL as a potential structure. IPL teams have "mentors". Basically high profile ex pro's that just sit on the bench and don't do anything.

Gary Player is an absolute lock to be involved. Not even Phil Mickelson would take that bet.

Im surprised Darren Clarke isn't involved. Maybe he will as a team mentor?

I am also interested in seeing who from golf punditry will be involved.

FixdePitchmark

Isn't the idea of team golf like this absolutely naff.

dublin49

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149853#Comment_119149853

golf is an awful spectator sport at the best of times, 90% of the field are regularly also rans and add little or no entertainment value.In conventional tournaments John Rahm may be having a bad day but he is still John Rahm and there is some novelty factor in that .That won't apply to the current LIV field so they are obviously trying to imitate the Ryder cup cameraderie to paper over the lack lustre nature of the field.

CSWS101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149853#Comment_119149853

I think it's probably the most interesting part of LIV, there's far too many strokeplay events on the PGA tour. Nice to mix it up, I couldn't care less who wins the Honda, John Deere, Bryon Nelson, American Express and all of the fall series events. LIV could actually force the tours hand to do a reshuffle of the schedule which I would welcome

dublin49

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150020#Comment_119150020

I think if you follow Rory,Shane or now Seamus or whoever you are very much interested in the tourneys you listed.

The change I would like to see is being let watch all the shots for a player of your choice,all the holes are covered by cameras so shudn't be too difficult.

CSWS101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150072#Comment_119150072

I would be interested enough to watch the last few holes on Sunday, even when Seamus was going well at the Amex this year I didn't watch any of it. Only tuned in from 15 onwards when Shane was in the lead at the Honda, they were just dull fields on dull golf courses.

I just don't think they have the budget to show all shots from every player, I've only seen in done for the masters and the players last year, where budgets don't exist.

Beaulieu

Anyone heading over? Howdiido were offering free tickets during the week

Mantis Toboggan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151737#Comment_119151737

Tickets were pricey enough surprised with all the money they have that they didn't just let people in for free. That should be there goal, try getting 20k people in every day and try get the golf on a fta channel, I know it's free on youtube but if they could get the likes of the BBC or channel four behind them and a few more in the states then it will be huge for them.

Panrich

Have the tours officially released the players to play in this event and will OWGR points be awarded? Not that those matter if the players get suspended from their current tours.

If the players are stopped from competing in other events, then they will start to tumble down official rankings and then it will be like the darts or boxing with parallel jurisdictions but we’ll not see all the top players together in any tournaments again.

It’s funny to note that the most high profile players who have jumped for this have been in very poor form this year (DJ, Oosty, Westy and Garcia) and all have already fallen down the rankings. Have they already checked out mentally?

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152153#Comment_119152153

It's looking much more like the darts scenario (two very separate entities with no crossover, one way more popular than the other) rather than the boxing one (where there can be some crossover/players playing on LIV look set to miss out on Majors/Ryder Cups).

It's more than just poor form that has those guys you mention jumping to LIV. They're all in the twilight of their career and they haven't as much to lose/far more to gain in terms of money from LIV at this stage. With the exception of DJ, who has reportedly been given well in excess of 100 million, so he's basically covered all his potential future career earnings on the PGA Tour in one swoop from LIV.

It'll be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

slave1

We don't have to wait to see what happens, DJ and McDowell have already been dropped by sponsor RBC due to their ties to the RBC Heritage event no doubt.

"As a result of the decisions made by professional golfers Dustin Johnson and Graeme McDowell to play the LIV Golf Invitational Series opener, RBC is terminating its sponsorship agreement with both players," the company said in a statement. "We wish them well in their future endeavors."

The PGA have already stated the players will be subject to disciplinary action but for that we will have to wait until after they tee it up and it being the US lawyers lawyers lawyers

dmn22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152269#Comment_119152269

"It's looking much more like the darts scenario (two very separate entities with no crossover, one way more popular than the other)"

Yeah it immediately reminded me a bit of UFC v Bellator where UFC (PGA) has mass-appeal and maybe only the die-hard fans pay attention to anything going on in Bellator (LIV).

Can't say I am too surprised by DJ jumping ship, although I am very disappointed. He is and always was an air-head, pity as he's one of my favourite players when on form. That being said, I love my golf and have zero interest in watching any of these players compete against each other. A bunch of greedy has-beens for the most part.

PARlance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152345#Comment_119152345

I was listening to newstalk during the week and they made a very interesting observation (gag at his expense) that DJ is the ideal spokesman/frontman for LIV... Because he rarely has anything to say in general and people won't be asking him/expecting him to answer any hard hitting questions.

slave1

I highly doubt DJ is bothered by any of this, he's too laid back and fair dues to him, there's enough work stress in the world today. Rumours abound on $125m deal done with him, sure that's front loading all his future PGA winnings

The Big Easy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152153#Comment_119152153

The nightmare scenario is for it to end up like the BDO and the PDC.

I'd hate for DJ not to be playing the majors as he's undoubtedly one of the world's best players (currently in a blip of sorts) and the majors would be poorer without him.

Shank Williams

Will be bliss never to have to watch a Sergio hissy fit ever in a major again - kudos to the saud

CSWS101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155184#Comment_119155184

I'm afraid you'll still be seeing him every year at Augusta. Probably still the others too until his OWGR drops off

AyeGer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119155926#Comment_119155926

Only at the par 3 coverage or maybe teeing off on day 1. I don't see him competing at Augusta again.

CSWS101

Why not? I highly doubt Augusta will ban him, Phil, Schwartzel and DJ from playing, just can't see it happening.

Edit: Ah I see what you mean by competing now, haven't had my morning coffee yet.. 🤕

Trampas

Westwood giving away 100 free tickets. I presume they’ll probably give away more than that to get people in

Mushy

Kevin Na resigns from pga tour over it, did mention he'd face disciplinary action if not. Think people will only care about DJ if he's not on pga tour, nobody really bothered about the rest

Trampas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159366#Comment_119159366

That’ll speed up pace of play on pga tour so

Pussyhands

Has any player come out and said that Saudi already sponsor tournaments and no one has a problem with players playing them?

Mushy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159492#Comment_119159492

Players in groups behind rejoice

slave1

In fairness he’s a reasonably high enough profile player

Panrich

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160419#Comment_119160419

Na was never a very enjoyable player to watch although he was often in contention at weekends. He could do very well on this tour.

The only player apart from DJ on the list that I would miss is Gooch. He is a very good player and looked to be on the rise. Maybe Canter as well from the European tour. The vast majority are has-beens or never-weres.

The Big Easy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160419#Comment_119160419

While he's not exactly on the breadline, he has a young family and is probably coming to the end of his peak years. Can set himself and his family up for life with just a handful of events a year.

I imagine he still got some kind of stipend, not in DJ's level, but to give up his Tour membership he'd need something to protect him. What if the whole thing fell apart after just a few tournaments?

Good to see someone testing the waters anyway. The Tour will be putting serious pressure on the Majors to toe the party line I imagine.

slave1

Last place gets $120k, yikes

Trampas

Phil has boarded his plane and flying to the uk

Mantis Toboggan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119166737#Comment_119166737

Any word on how much Phil is getting?

Mushy

I saw Westwood was giving 100 tickets away, didn't realise it extended to every player. Ij fairness, it seemed very pricey to attend

slave1

Phil

Xander10

So he will still be allowed play the 4 Majors?

Richard Hillman

I would imagine he could play the 2 Opens. The worst that could happen is that he may have to qualify for them.

The Masters is pretty much up to Augusta. It is an invitational tournament. They can invite or uninvite anyone they like.

PGA Championship is a different story.

slave1

Well The Masters has nothing to do with the PGA Tour, in theory the PGA just requires you to be a golf pro is American, The US Open is exactly that, anyone can qualify, suppose same with The Open. Time will tell…

AyeGer

Phil is a big name around Augusta, no way i can see them not letting him play. He has won 3 Green Jackets.

DuckSlice

Any Official announcement for Rickie Fowler yet?

SeeMoreBut

DJ resigned from PGA Tour

thefallingman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168669#Comment_119168669

that's huge news and the first of many, people scoffing at Garcia, oosty, Gmac,phil, Na can hardly scoff at Dj, Koepka will join his brother too. You got to hand it to the shark the tide has turned.

thefallingman

they shouldn't have dropped him for the memorial and threatened punishment, players don't need the pga anymore. Happy for Phil he can come back to golf where he belongs

Mushy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168714#Comment_119168714

He's called it the true test of golf. Is a team event shotgun start is a true test of golf? Cos I don't think anyone has called it that with a straight face

thefallingman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168841#Comment_119168841

well that's one part of it, but there is many formats they are discussing and i'm sure he's more privy to the future events/formats than we are. I have no sympathy for the pga tour they have shot themselves in the foot trying to play hardball

Mushy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168888#Comment_119168888

I can't see what they can do to revolutionise the game, different formats are grand for a novelty but I can't see them changing the game altogether.

Probably bit early to say whether PGA tour have shot themselves in the foot. The public are only disappointed in the loss of DJ, if he goes back to the tour then its a failure for them, if he doesn't then its only one person gone

Xander10

I remember when the European Tour was a half decent event. Did the money on offer from the PGA in effect kill off high profile players playing in it on a semi regular basis?

And are we now beginning to witnessing the PGA being weakened by the money in the LIV?

dublin49

I think potentially the biggest losers will be the European Tour and ultimately Norman's Wheelbarrow tour will replace it and the PGA will soldier on.

The big events on PGA Tour like Memorial will insist on 5/10 star players on rotation each tournament and the rest will be free to feather their nest with Norman and Co.

The guys that are rostered to play in PGA Tournaments will probably get generous appearance money so on both current tours there will be less to go around for guys not in the top 50 in the world.

Garcia ,Westwood & Poulter need to make hay pretty sharpish as they will be outside the golden bubble pretty sharpish if this thing gains momentum.

Norman will probably want to have a 5th Major as well under his control.

Mushy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168960#Comment_119168960

Yes and remains to be seen