Whos fault is it

newhouse87

Got distressed mirror put in, electrician came out to loosen sockets so mirror could go over them, he then had to tighten sockets, was warned 3 times from mirror man not to tighten much, he tightened 1 socket to much and 700euro mirror now cracked. Electrician said he was just doing me a favors and wont take any blame, a favour yet i was paying him to come out.

2011

I think you know who is to blame.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119057723#Comment_119057723

Who should cover cost of mirror? I essentially told electrician i wont ask him to pay but i dont want a bill for his time to come out and do job, he also put up light and put in hob, about 3 hours he was there and i dont want a bill i told him but he wasnt keen on that.

MakersMark

The person who broke it should pay.

Who else?

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119058020#Comment_119058020

Yeah thats what i was thinking, but not a hope of getting it.

Andrea B.

A tough one.

It should have been agreed (due to known fragility and what is a fairly non-standard job), not to do the sockets, unless willing to carry cost of damage.

Other option to instruct sparks to finger tighten sockets and let mirror installer tighten.

the_pen_turner

surely there must be shared blame . the glass installer should have made it solid behind the cuts to suport the glass from flexing. the spark should have left them off or lose

newhouse87

spark was warned 3 times in my presence by mirror man not to tighten much. Where it cracked socket is v tight.

2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119105701#Comment_119105701

As per my post above I think you know who is to blame.

You seem to have made your mind up on this.

newhouse87

i just paid for it, spark wont be getting rave reviews fiom me though.

Squatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106099#Comment_119106099

thats what his insurance is for. give them a call. scandalous that he broke a mirror worht the price of a car1

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119106161#Comment_119106161

says his insurance wouldnt cover it, he never checked though. He just told me that immediately after i told him it was broke.

the_pen_turner

the more im thinking abut this the more i move the blame to the glass installer . the glass wasnt intalled in a way that supported properly for the load that would be aplied at that point. it would have broken there eventually from normal use of the socket or if something pushed the socket faceplate .

the spark was stupid to tighten the screws though . he should have got the glass guy to do it

Effects

The sparks shouldn't have tightened it that much. So he shouldn't really have charged you for the job at the least. Chalk that job down to a loss.

When you say he was doing you a favour, is he a mate of yours?

Squatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119131617#Comment_119131617

and you believed him? any chance youd spot me 10 grand? i will definitely pay it back. Im good for it!

the_pen_turner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137163#Comment_119137163

nor sure what your trying to say

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119132831#Comment_119132831

no not a mate, dunno what he meant by saying he was doing me a favour, he hasn't came looking for money yet for that days work.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119131617#Comment_119131617

one socket he over tightened where the crack started, the rest were hand movable, if he didn't tighten that 1 so much it would have been grand.

the_pen_turner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137803#Comment_119137803

for now . or at least untill he left.

if the glazer made it solid behind the glass it would a lot less likely to crack

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141247#Comment_119141247

6 sockets, he over tightened 1, thats where the crack started, obvious he tightened it too much, anyway, mirror back int today and glazer put it in. 100% spark messed up, anyway still owe him money, hes gonna have job getting it.

macvin

Home insurance may cover it.

Why could the mirror person not tighten it?

the_pen_turner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141661#Comment_119141661

yes the spark broke it but if it was installed better then it wouldnt have broke.

Squatman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141948#Comment_119141948

not sure what you're trying to say. seems you are in agreement that the spark is at fault?

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141948#Comment_119141948

it was installed exactly the way same today, only 1 way it can be installed, its glued to a wall behind the sink and sockets then have to be tightened after we took them off to install mirror. I take it your a spark as cant see any reasoning behind what your saying. It only broke at the exact socket that was over tightened so that shows it was installed fine everywhere, just spark messed up and over tightened, you sound like my spark.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141680#Comment_119141680

mirror fella wanted spark to loosen sockets for safety reasons originally but we just idid it without spark today, shut of all power in the house.

barry181091

Forget claiming from his insurance, that's his job. Footing a 700 euro mistake is crazy in my opinion. Why would you imply to the electrician that he doesn't have to pay?

Unless you are inclined to think he has completed over 700 worth of labor/materials in your house, not paying him isn't going to help you much. As long as both contractors are registered and work is invoiced along with receipts then I would go down the small claims route if communication fails. It is a simple process and costs only 25.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142459#Comment_119142459

ah im not the type to claim like that, prob owe him 500-700quid tbh.

the_pen_turner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142350#Comment_119142350

if someone hung a picture on a wall i a really delicate way and someone brushed off it and it fell and broke whos more in the wrong , the person who tipped it or the person who created the sitation where it could be knock off with a little tip.

leaveing the glass unsupported in an obviously very weak position is createing a potential for breakage . the spark is wrong for overtightening but the glazer created the problem

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142480#Comment_119142480

sorry your logic makes no sense, the person who tips off the picture is at fault, doesn't matter what way its hanging, if nobody tips off it it doesn't fall. The mirror for the second time was installed fine, it has supports on that back, hence it only cracked at the actual socket that was over tightened, all the other sockets were looser, 3 times the glazer told him not to over tighten.

Bruthal.

Why was it that the glazer thought he needed to say it 3 times? Because it was so fragile that nothing can put pressure on it, or because the electrician looked like he was going to use an impact gun or something? Sounds like the socket needed to be left too loose rather than not over tightened. Plugging things in might have cracked it eventually. Whose fault then, the person plugging the item in?

Electrician should have asked glazer to set the screw torque to delicate glass install setting himself once he mentioned overtightening.

irelandrover

How do you show that the electrician overtightened that one socket?