Texas School shooting 19 children and 2 adults murdered

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158573#Comment_119158573

But I'm not in the Republican party. I'm from Ireland.

So your attempt to offend me is fairly sad.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158585#Comment_119158585

But, your posts are just a rehash of typical GQP talking points (on US related topics.)

Miadhc

3 dead, 12 injured after multiple shooters open fire on a crowd in Philadelphia.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/13-injured-dead-philadelphia-shooting-police/story%3fid=85190991

mikethecop

its like evolution in reverse or something

children trying to murder police

gangsters firing into crowds

kids murdering kids

fcuking hell bad as Ireland can be id rather be here

those animals after the champions league final

we really are going back wards as a species

Texas police shoot dead boy (13) who allegedly drove stolen car into patrol vehicle - Independent.ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161188#Comment_119161188

briany

This is turning into a turkey shoot.

Shooting in Chattanooga, Tennessee. 3 dead, 14 injured.

Obviously, the problem here was that the bar staff were not packing, or that the bar was not heavily fortified. Or something. Those must be the main problems.

Enjoy your dystopia, America.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119162616#Comment_119162616

Or that, probably like in the other shooting in Chattanooga referenced in the article (and most of the other ones of late), groups of misguided young adults turned to a life of crime started shooting at each other with illegally held firearms for some utterly inane reason. I suspect that's more likely than the defensive capabilities of the bar and its staff (It's unlawful to enter a bar in Tennessee and drink with a concealed weapon, so the patrons likely should be unarmed, except for the designated drivers)

Pussyhands

RTE have taken it upon themselves to report a shooting related death in the US every day it seems.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168211#Comment_119168211

You referring to this?

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0607/1303348-florida-shooting/

Cause incidents like this in the US tend to make international news on the average year. It made the BBC as well. In this case the article is from the AFP so most news sites are reporting it. Eg I found the same article being used on Phillipino news sites. So are you annoyed at the entire globe reporting it? Rte isn't the issue, it's the fact that a nation is obsessed with avoiding regulation of deadly weapons...

steddyeddy

Two year old in Florida shoots father. More nonsense from the US.

https://www.joe.ie/news/florida-shooting-749484?fbclid=IwAR3zvIWQzeNjlSyGxhfwU8dyAUIcI7vq3eP9py295PdtCEPKQHawL6tHfME

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168211#Comment_119168211

Man yells at cloud

steddyeddy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161188#Comment_119161188

From the article:

The Philadelphia shooting was one of at least 11 across the nation involving four or more victims in a violent span between Friday night and midnight Sunday, including one that left three people dead and 11 injured in Chattanooga, Tennessee, another in which three people were killed at a graduation party in Socorro, Texas, and yet another that left a 14-year-old girl dead and eight people injured at a strip mall in Phoenix, according to the Gun Violence Archive, a website that tracks shootings across the nation.

The defenders of current gun legislation are defending this absolutely mental situation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119168211#Comment_119168211

Imagine having such a spectacularly bad take on these events and just putting it out there for everyone to see and read.

"The USA have taken it upon themselves to have a new mass shooting every day, but I think I'll take RTE to task over reporting it".

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169875#Comment_119169875

Where's the daily reporting of cartel deaths in Mexico?

If that's your honest takeaway from the whole thing, then your take on these events is even more desperate than I'd first thought. Your issue is with RTE for reporting on these events and not with the reprobates that continue to let it happen?

If a whistle-blower came forward about rampant sexual abuse of kids in a school would you

a) condemn the rapists

b) condemn the whistle-blower or

c) ask the whistle-blower why they're not dishing the dirt on the Mexican Cartels?

Because it's a pretty similar situation here and you're doing everything but a)

steddyeddy

By the way it's worth remembering that there exists a raft of studies documenting the availability of guns as a risk factor for gum homicides and mass shootings. The NRA tried to block the funding of studies like this for yonks but now we have sufficient studies to come to the aforementioned conclusion that gun availability and gun laws play a large role in gun violence. The NRA have attempted to rebut this with the line "correlation doesn't mean causation" which shows a fundamental lack of understanding of these studies and the fact that other factors were controlled for prior to forming this hypothesis. This is a line also parroted by their halfwit members who also misunderstand the point. Anyway here is the link and here is the text that confirms that stricter gun laws could save more lives. However, the fact remains that NRA members don't care if gun laws save more lives, they just want to avoid gun control.

1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.

2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.

3. Across states, more guns = more homicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten-year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002; 92:1988-1993.

4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.

5. A summary of the evidence on guns and violent death

This book chapter summarizes the scientific literature on the relationship between gun prevalence (levels of household gun ownership) and suicide, homicide and unintentional firearm death and concludes that where there are higher levels of gun ownership, there are more gun suicides and more total suicides, more gun homicides and more total homicides, and more accidental gun deaths.

This is the first chapter in the book and provides and up-to-date and readable summary of the literature on the relationship between guns and death. It also adds to the literature by using the National Violent Death Reporting System data to show where (home or away) the shootings occurred. Suicides for all age groups and homicides for children and aging adults most often occurred in their own home.

Miller M, Azrael D, Hemenway D. Firearms and violence death in the United States. In: Webster DW, Vernick JS, eds. Reducing Gun Violence in America. Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013.

6. More guns = more homicides of police

This article examines homicide rates of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) from 1996 to 2010. Differences in rates of homicides of LEOs across states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states.

This article was cited by President Obama in a speech to a police association. This article will hopefully bring police further into the camp of those pushing for sensible gun laws.

Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169935#Comment_119169935

Man yells at cloud again

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119169935#Comment_119169935

Deaths caused by legally owned firearms where teens and children are often the victim versus gang wars in Mexico? Also, you'll find it's not just RTE reporting on it. It's across the globe....

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170340#Comment_119170340

But Mexico has strict gun ownership laws.

extra gravy

At least it wasn't the child that died this time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170359#Comment_119170359

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/02/stopping-toxic-flow-of-gun-traffic-from-u-s-to-mexico/

Depressingly somewhat of an overlap in terms of what the lawsuit is over.. Guessing you hadn't done much research on the topic?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170508#Comment_119170508

Maybe he forgot about Fast & Furious. Which is a shame, that would have really owned the libs.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170359#Comment_119170359

Mexico is awash with "once legally owned" American firearms.

You're gonna have to dig deeper for your strawman I'm afraid

Overheal

A surreal moment where Matthew McConaughey takes the pulpit at the WH to discuss the Uvalde, TX Shooting

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1534240458070757378?s=20&t=jrt-ysdh_72jD7HkKWM13w

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170922#Comment_119170922

Cue some people moaning about this being a pr/publicity stunt.

Could easily see him running in politics tbh. He's a really good speaker.

Overheal

9 members of the 12 ethicists at Axon - the makers of the Tazer - walked out in response to the company proceeding with a press release announcing plans to market a tazer drone. They had given an 8-4 recommendation in recent weeks against doing so, but the CEO moved ahead in the wake of the Uvalde shooting, where officers have been excoriated for their inept response. It's unclear how a tazer drone would have solved the situation, or even navigate through closed doors. The panel had originally considered the company's draft proposal for a drone for police use (it's not clear if this police drone was initially to be weaponized, but presumably it is, if not closely related to, the prototype they teased), but says it already had reservations the weapons would become prevalent in already over-policed minority communities, and that the insinuation that a weaponized drone should be marketed to zip through school hallways and classrooms, shooting at persons, was not something the original scope ever even considered, so the move was a bridge too far for them. Axon doesn't seem interested in carrying forward with the project as a result of the walkouts, but you never know.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/company-halts-plans-for-taser-drone-after-9-members-of-its-ethics-board-resign?fbclid=IwAR27Az8HsKqMGGL-XWt73aXz_3-safBkft-9XKu-lIJ9EZaQhg9rNYf7a4I

extra gravy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170972#Comment_119170972

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1534247435836571649?t=bjLHcwseOFC1UTZiwZIoCw&s=19

Happened before he even left the room.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2jCF9Mv30A

Texas police are an embarrassment . While they stayed out side shaking in their boots with their big guns she went in.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170742#Comment_119170742

It's even more awash with 'once legally owned' military firearms. Illegal commerce from North of the border may not help, but even if they were able to seal the US border entirely, it doesn't seem it'll have a huge effect.

30,000 firearms were captured by the Mexican government in 2008. Under 4,000 were traced by ATF as being of American origin. In an audit by State Dept in 2009, over a quarter of the weapons delivered to the Mexican military by the US government had gone 'missing'. https://web.archive.org/web/20120625044442/https://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57337289/legal-u.s-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cartels/

https://www.businessinsider.com/mexican-cartels-getting-more-weapons-from-new-source-2022-2

Mexican criminal groups have long been associated with foreign-made weapons like the AK-47 and M16, but, according to El Güero, it is now more common for sicarios, or hitmen, to use the Galil ACE, an Israeli rifle that is manufactured in Colombia. The Galil ACE is an official weapon for Mexican and Colombian law enforcement.

A recent report by the International Commission Against Impunity in Guatemala (CICIG) details at least 45 points between Mexico and Guatemala used by arms traffickers to smuggle weapons northward, most of them over land or by sea.

The report states that most of these firearms belonged to militaries or police forces before they were sold or smuggled onto the black market.

The cartels have historically preferred to get firearms from Central and South America or across the Atlantic (Mid-East and Africa is great for anyone with money and questionable morals): Anything they buy in the US civilian market is semi-automatic, they get proper full-on machineguns and assault rifles from other sources including military stockpiles. Plus of course, their rocket launchers. To the point that the El Salvadorean defense minister was charged in 2019 for arms trafficking. Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador and Colombia are all known large sources of military grade firearms for Mexican cartels. Though the headline above makes it seem like Central America is a new source, it's anything but. This is over a decade old, for example.

https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/how-much-is-guatemala-arming-the-zetas/

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119171153#Comment_119171153

I'm sure people would have an accurate short list of who asked that question and it will shock absolutely no-one that it was the NewsMax "journalist" that asked him that question.