Now would be a good time to do away with airport security theatre

Ubbquittious

Starting with the 100ml liquids codology, if they simply got rid of those rules now the queues would be significantly reduced. The threat of Islamic terrorism has surely subsided at this stage. I, for one would welcome a return to the friendlier, more relaxed days of pre-9/11 air travel and this is a great opportunity to bring it in.

jester77

Any airport that has a CT (computer tomography) scanner already doesn't require this check. Shannon airport has it, not sure why Dublin doesn't

Gregor Samsa

In Shannon airport, you no longer have to take your liquids or electronic devices out of your bag. New scanners, apparently.

Also helps that there's fúck all flights out of it, the place is a ghost town, and no gate is more than a 2 minute walk from security. Makes flying on one of the few available ones a joy.

Feisar

No but a simple IQ test would aid things greatly. Fukcn numpties can't sort their lives out.

DoctorEdgeWild

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119134734#Comment_119134734

Or a queue for people who know what they're doing. Travelling alone. No luggage. No nonsense. No last minute realising you have Dynamite, Petrol and six guns in your back pockets. I fly almost weekly and I see so many delays because of people's own choices. Very frustrating for the staff I'd imagine.

Pauliedragon

I'm sure Irish airports would have no issues relaxing a bit. The countries we fly too however would have a big problem I would imagine. Dublin Airport had something like 7 safety breaches in the last EU audit.

Spanish Eyes

Why has Dublin not got the CT scanning equipment yet? Seems to me that they are way behind the curve and are contributing to their own disaster in that airport. It would be a help surely? I've often wondered why it is necessary to remove liquids when they appear to go through the same old fashioned scanner anyway.

Spanish Eyes

And another thing, instead of a new runway they should have another airport for cross channel flights only for example. Feck sake Belfast has TWO airports and a tiny population.

Atlantic Dawn

The option of a q with a €100 fine for any alarm going off would make life much easier for the rest of us.

CrabRevolution

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119134795#Comment_119134795

What would the payoff for a second airport be though? Belfast's 2 airports combined only handle about a quarter of Dublin's passenger numbers.

That's before we even start on the regional TDs who'd have an aneurysm at the thought of a 2nd Dublin airport. As it stands they feel Dublin is "stealing" passengers who should be going to other airports even if they don't want to.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248070/now-would-be-a-good-time-to-do-away-with-airport-security-theatre

The threat of Islamic terrorism hasn’t subsided. Technology, intelligence and equipment such as ETD scanners and better X-ray tech and rules has simply put this Islamic terrorist or any terrorist at a major disadvantage…threat and intent still exists.

Weapons or items that can be used as weapons are caught on a daily basis in Dublin…. Debunking your thought that it is ‘security theatre’… it most certainly isn’t. Knuckle dusters and meat cleavers have been items which have been successfully been caught by the X-ray machines at Dublin since international travel returned, that’s according to the DAA. They fill 15 wheelie bins worth of prohibited items daily…. My guess that’s at least half a tonne of prohibited items in a 24 hour period.

also the rules are not the Irish government’s they are EU rules..

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119135582#Comment_119135582

its just cork theyre strealing passengers from really

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248070/now-would-be-a-good-time-to-do-away-with-airport-security-theatre

That's pretty warped logic right there.

"The threat of Islamic extremism is now low because airport protection is so high, so now is the optimum time to make airport protection low so that the threat of Islamic extremism remains low".

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137099#Comment_119137099

Most of the extremists got blown to pieces in Syria. ISIS is after getting a right pummeling. We don't see many non-airport attacks in De West either so it's not the airports that are after quelling the terrorists

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137147#Comment_119137147

The problem is that once the guard is lifted, and some form of successful attack is launched via an airport, the restrictions would come back just as fast - if not worse.

It just wouldn't work. For just a short-term relief, is it really worth it?

Compromising airport security is not a great way of promoting air travel going forward.

Strumms

It’s a pain in the arse but I’d rather security overkill as opposed to terrorist kill..

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137159#Comment_119137159

That attack might never arrive. Most countries with or without increased security have never been attacked. Covid isn't gone either but the restrictions are, at some point you just need to put the fear behind you

fryup

courtesy of the Zucker Brothers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFJCeUWDyY

Danzy

Islam has grown in the last 20 years and continued to return to a purer form across the world.

Only if security is maintained in other ways

buried

Now would be a good time to do away with the current minister for transport. Because here you see the result. But no, hey ho, enjoy another 3 years of this mess.

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137214#Comment_119137214

I concur. Be a fierce relief to see him gone

rossie1977

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QKEdKdgi2hg

buried

It's no surprise that the biggest airport in the country is in such a shambles when the minister in charge of it ultimately only wants ordinary people to utilise modes of transport that basically involve buses, bikes and shoes. I mean, this is what you are dealing with so this is what you get. Irish people need to look at far more closely who is ultimately responsible for the various facets and departments of how our country is actually run and what those peoples ideologies are. If you keep voting for these nutjobs you can't really complain when they start to implement their nutjob policies. Either get on board with it or don't vote for it, choice is yours.

Strumms

100%.. a minister for transport who basically wants to curtail it.

you wouldn’t have a minister for sport who doesn’t like sport or a minister for health who wanted to encourage smoking….so the Ryan appointment is one of the most bizarre and ineffective ones of all time… pandering, piss weak leadership and decision making by MM to award this portfolio to him.

purplepanda

After flying from Dublin & Stansted last week I think I'll go by train & ferry to Rosslare during the summer. Having to get to an airport 4 hours before departure is too much hassle. So much for flying being quick & convenient LOL!

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248070/now-would-be-a-good-time-to-do-away-with-airport-security-theatre

The threat of Islamic terrorism was never there to begin with. Complete bolloxology.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139034#Comment_119139034

Eh...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139034#Comment_119139034

Wow.

That's brazen.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139054#Comment_119139054

these been fierce quiet since the old covid

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119137159#Comment_119137159

Oh, bollocks man. There is no threat and there never was. If there is or was such a threat to airports then why haven't these mythical terrorists conducted an attack on a place with no scanners or staff or x-ray machines? And to those numpties who nod like zombies and agree with these farcical security measures, explain to me how you can make a concoction that would bring down a plane out of products like shampoo or toothpaste? Seems 100ml is the limit because a larger quantity of brylcream will allow you to make a bomb. But you're allowed to have 2 x 100ml containers of the same substance. Also if you have a 200ml container that's 1/4 full then that's not allowed. Mention this to the drones who blindly agree to these inane measures and they will tie their arses in knots trying to attach some logic to the whole farce.

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139054#Comment_119139054

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139100#Comment_119139100

They sure have

havetoquit

Is there anywhere that I can find reassurance that as a disabled elderly person, I will be able to access Terminal 1 on Sunday next to avail of wheelchair assistance. I shall be arriving 3 hours before flight as advised by my carrier.

I am anxious, having viewed the prevailing situation there, as I am totally unable to stand in a queue to enter the terminal.

I have contacted Dublin Airport Customer service, but no response, which I can fully understand, given the queue of customer queries. 

Does anyone know if there is perhaps any other avenue available to gain information in this situation? I am assuming that my carrier, Ryanair are not responsible for providing assistance. 

if I miss my flight, I will subsequently miss my connection in Amsterdam and the person meeting me there to accompany me to my destination would also be put in an impossible position. 

Thanks in advance if anyone can offer advice.

s8n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248070/now-would-be-a-good-time-to-do-away-with-airport-security-theatre

WTF is "Codology" ??

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119136978#Comment_119136978

A lot of those prohibited items shouldn't really be prohibited anymore. They were only added to the list out of paranoia

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139222#Comment_119139222

Jaysus, spot the foreigner.

"Codology" == bollox, nonsense, bullshit.

Tbh, most of the security checks are pure security theatre. There is little to no evidence that they actually work to prevent terrorist attacks.

The main reason that they maintain such stringent checks on aircraft and not on, say, boats or busses, is because of consumer sentiment. People will tolerate these check on flights because they feel safer. If they don't feel safe on planes, they're less likely to use them, resulting in a drop in passenger numbers.

There are lots of measures that could easily be dialled back on without making flying any less secure, they just can't be arsed because people tolerate it.

s8n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139298#Comment_119139298

I'm a Dub, thanks. Its not a commonly used phrase

It wasnt me123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119136978#Comment_119136978

If anyone turns up at an airport with knuckle dusters or cleavers etc (our local brethren going on their hols) then they should be heavily fined and refused access to any Irish airport for 6 months. Hit them in their pockets and inconvenience them and then they will learn some manners when travelling with other members of the public. But I agree, increase scanning technology and stop the taking off of shoes and belts etc. It’s nonsense. I could have 5 50ml bottles of lighter fluid and they would let it through - why the stop at 100 ml?

cml387

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139321#Comment_119139321

Yes it is. Maybe you haven't heard it but I assure you it's in common use.

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139393#Comment_119139393

I think knuckle dusters are banned. Not 100% sure but if you are caught with them anywhere you could be in trouble

It wasnt me123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139503#Comment_119139503

Not in Ireland I bet - huge fine for any fecker that brings anything not allowed to be worn/carried down any public street into an airport. Idiots, wasting all our time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139112#Comment_119139112

The problem isn't the 100mL rule; which we all agree is dumb.

The problem is that there are insufficient numbers of staff to deal with the hordes of people trying to get through security.

timmyntc

Has airport security foiled any terrorist plots since its introduction?

What about the 200ml liquid rule?

In the US they had to check shoes for bombs, should we be doing that?

It wasnt me123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139634#Comment_119139634

1. We’ll never know
2. its 100 ml rule
3. they are already cHecking the shoes since the shoe bomber years ago

It wasnt me123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139585#Comment_119139585

And whose fault is that?

Airlines started selling tickets, giving the DAA the manifests with all the names / numbers listed - Did DAA hire anyone?

Would you work for 20 hours for minimum wage but have to be available, hang about, for 40 hours.

What sort of lunacy is this - treat your employees with respect, pay them properly and you will get good staff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141696#Comment_119141696

I already stated that the DAA should not have permitted flights to take place if there was insufficient staff to handle that number of passengers.

Better to limit the number of flights and deal with this number accordingly, to ensure all can make the flight, rather than this avoidable mess we currently find ourselves in.

Elessar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139192#Comment_119139192

Wheelchair assistance is available and is provided by a company called OCS in the airport. Normally you request this when booking your flight but you should still be able to book if you didn't do it with the originally. See this page here from Ryanair about what to do:

https://help.ryanair.com/hc/en-ie/articles/360017683297-How-to-request-Special-Assistance-services-and-available-types

In normal times I believe you can just approach the OCS desk (there is one in T2 and T1 if I remember correctly) and request assistance but given the weekend that's in it I'd advise you to book in advance. You might still be able to do it via your booking on the ryanair website, but otherwise the link above has some contact details. There's no charge for this btw, it's covered in everyone's ticket price. You should also be able to request the same for when you arrive Amsterdam.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139634#Comment_119139634

They don’t have to.

the primary purpose of aviation security regulations is as a deterrent…

i know a lad who works as security for bank of Ireland for 8 years or so. Never been a bank raid there at his branch.

they could in theory save a shît load of cash by getting rid of him, his colleagues and the security cameras… ???

nope he is there as a partial deterrent.

aviation security is a deterrent as well as a method of detection….it’s not going to go away ever.

in fact millions are being invested in more modern dual view X-ray machines, ETD tech etc…

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139259#Comment_119139259

They were added as prohibited based of aviation security expertise in relation to threats… not paranoia.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119139112#Comment_119139112

Why would a terrorist want to smuggle something through security when you buy anything you need to make a hole in a plane air side?

The ironic thing about the whole airport security farce is that it's made lovely targets where you can leave bottles of liquid no questions asked from the very thing which is supposed to protect the public. Massive queues with unchecked bins is a target waiting to be hit.