Depp/Heard Trial Verdict

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151750#Comment_119151750

Darwin awards for all of them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151750#Comment_119151750

Well, we do need less people in the world (environmental considerations)... I suspect these are personalities the world would be better off not having around.

Emotional outbursts and tantrums. They didn't get their way.. so they'll make themselves victims through their own self-harm.

gimli2112

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151436#Comment_119151436

I wasn't suggesting it was a draw simply giving my take on the BBC's reporting of it. Depp clearly won, the money is irrelevant he doesn't need it and she doesn't have it but it's actually immaterial to the result. I can't really follow your train of thought here other than you seem upset about something.

Finally I see people posting things like AH has destroyed the me2 movement or that the result helps men or hurts women. I don't believe this is the case, Certainly some people who would have come forward may not and it may benefit a small number of people but this is a pretty unique case between two relatively wealthy and certainly dysfunctional individuals.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149337#Comment_119149337

You have repeated the same nonsense in the other thread and called the jury hillbillies. You again ignore the very direct connection the UK judge has to the owner of the SUN newspaper and brush under the carpet the fact that the UK and US trials were completely different. Most of the evidence Depps legal team wanted to admit was refused entry in the UK trial with no explanation. The judge had his mind made up for him long before the trial started.

neirbloom

Media outlets seem absolutely terrified to mention the fact she lied on numerous occasions and that might be one of the reasons she lost this deformation case but gladly announce Johnny Depp as a wife beater at any opportunity. This Morning for example only chose to cover this story twice since the trial, yesterday after the verdict and back when Amber heard testified.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKbB_rBCw4&t=1s

neirbloom

Strangely the only news Corp I have agreed with has been the young turks for the fact that Ana hasn't seemed to have gotten most of her information from either twitter or God forbid reddit and actually watched the trial and gone through evidence. There was also testimony from a staff worker at the airport where the domestic between Amber heard and her ex was far more violent than Heard was trying to make out.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3vf67ChfN0&t=607s

Iker

Johnny Depp certainly has a long running problem with drugs and alcohol, which he openly acknowledges. Given how the evidence showed Amber handling herself in their relationship, her personality, the fact that she also consumes drugs and alcohol and evidence of her verbal and physical abuse of Mr. Depp, it is impossible to say beyond reasonable doubt whether Mr. Depp did or not lose it and hit her or abused her as well. What is clear is that no sufficiently convincing evidence was shown at the trial of the alleged abuse by Mr. Depp.

The alleged abuse of Ms. Heard may have happened in some measure, but she and her team did not produce sufficiently convincing evidence that such abuse happened. On top of that lack of convincing evidence, then there's the outright lies and inconsistencies in Ms. Heard's testimony. The lack of witnesses on her part and the abundance of testimony and witnesses to the contrary. Also, there was straightforward evidence presented of (now ruled as malicious) intent to discredit Mr. Depp and use that as a springboard for her rise with the me-too movement and the ACLU. This last part puzzled many people. The militantism, vindictiveness and almost "revenge-porness" on the part of Ms. Heard. It just doesn't compare well with the behaviour of other, real, proven, victims of abuse.

The jury was left with a very simple choice, to find in favour of Mr. Depp. I believe that the verdict of the jury was correct in this case because, should they have found in favour of Ms. Heard, then that would set a precedent in law that could mean any woman could accuse any man without sufficiently convincing evidence, on her say-so and how-I-say-so, inflate, overstate, fabricate so-called evidence or otherwise distort allegations, etc... with the result of having him charged with some of the most heinous accusations and ruin his life. Sorry for real victims of abuse, but that cannot ever be allowed to happen. This was a civil trial, i.e. basically, for money and reputation. But a precedent like that could easily be used at a criminal trial in future.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147014#Comment_119147014

It was the glasses, wasn't it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147186#Comment_119147186

I would counter that it is very important in showing that men can and are abused by partners

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152488#Comment_119152488

Can't we use Irish stories to show this?

Depp and Heard are fabulously wealthy people with no relation to ordinary people.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152493#Comment_119152493

off ya go..

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150468#Comment_119150468

because men are good people

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150421#Comment_119150421

That was horrendous and you could feel Cooper's unease at the direction of the interview. Seemed afraid to challenge it though

Mad_maxx

listening to Newstalk while driving for a few hours yesterday and on " The Hard Shoulder " , they had a member of the NWC on , warning of how this result might deter women who are victims of abuse from coming forward .

the implication being of course that finding a man innocent and thus overturning accusations of abuse is a bad thing essentially

outrageous

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152731#Comment_119152731

All those NGO's that suckle on the government tit never seem to be held accountable for anything they say. She clearly just caught some clips and soundbites from the trial and went into full judgemental mode. It would have been too much to expect a group that seemingly cares about domestic abuse to comment on the fact that Depp was clearly abused in the relationship and that ANY victim should feel comfortable coming forward regardless of gender. I mean, the woman admitted to hitting him on several occasions, amazingly each one was the first time (not like a typical absurer at all, no siree), and she chopped his bloody finger of with a vodka bottle.

From RTÉ...

Jesus Christ

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2022/0601/1302493-who-really-wins-in-celebrity-legal-trials/

Depp and Heard also presented vastly different faces to both the jury in Virginia and the viewing public at home.

She could often be seen sobbing as she gave her testimony, while Depp was seen variously sucking on sweets, smirking and refusing to look as his ex-wife poured her heart out mere feet away.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119153005#Comment_119153005

Does sobbing not indicate at least a single tear was shed?

I mean, even her acting coach said she struggled with crying and that was very clear during her testimony, especially when her dog stepped on a bee.

dbas

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Or he didn't watch her while she repeatedly lied on the stand about him.

Thankfully the jury watched the trial and analysed the evidence unlike the author

TomTomTim

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Anyone who latches onto behavioral stuff like that in court course, especially those who give it more credence than actual evidence, are either dense or desperate. I've seen it many times in true crime cases, where idiots thought that someone was guilty purely due to how they behaved in court.

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Must only have looked at the edited photos.

But seriously, why is it so hard to believe that a woman can abuse a man?

I'm 6'1" and, when I was 21, I had a GF abuse me (shortly as I cut all ties once I realised what was really happening). At the time I was 83KG benching 130KG squatting over 200KG, far far stronger than I am now, but realised there was nothing I could do to defend myself.

In a bar one night she gripped my face and dug her nails into my cheeks. She actually gloated that she could hurt me at any moment and no one would believe me if she said that she was just defending herself.

Actually gave me a little shudder hearing Heard saying almost the exact same thing, in the recording

BattleCorp

Anybody else have a crush on Doctor Muffin (Shannon Curry)?

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119151750#Comment_119151750

I think that's a 4chan thing, it's happened before...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152493#Comment_119152493

There was that storyline with Damien in Fair City, but that's a while ago now

y0ssar1an22

heard and jussie smollett should do a collab. the glorious victims of a hoax.

you know something is gone wrong when you are willing to ruin lives so you can be seen as a victim.

Sudden Valley

I guess this result could have a chillingeffect on the metoo movement. Unsubstantiated claims could now bankrupt you especially if the claim is against a rich person. Not sure its a good or bad thing, it has reuzlted in weinstein r Kelly and cosby being brought to justice but has damaged alot of innocent lives too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119153005#Comment_119153005

FFS.

Anyone who watched the trial would know the reason for the sweets. JD is a heavy chain smoker and also has ADHD which makes it difficult for him to sit in one place for long periods. The sweets were to help him with his nicotine addiction during long hours in court without a break.

The reason he never looked at AH was apparently something he had promised her in 2016 "that she'd never see my eyes again." after she accused him of being an abuser. AH of course, "couldn't recall that".

Silentcorner

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I don't consume mainstream media, for obvious reasons, but I'll be willing to guess that the CEO of Mens Aid hasn't been given exposure this week....

Johnny Depp was abused by his mother and his wife, but nutters like that can't bring themselves to acknowledge that a man can suffer abuse also....it's infantile and a sad reflection on the path feminists have taken themselves!!!

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119153747#Comment_119153747

Depp is probably not a good poster child for spousal abuse. He's richer and older than the abuser and has a drinking and drug abuse problem. Also i think the trial just made a judgement that he didnt abuse Heard rather than makong a judgement on whether she abused him. Also probably prefer to see these cases go to criminal rather than civil trials

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119153798#Comment_119153798

Whilst I agree that Depp isn't a poster boy for anything apart from being a typical dysfunctional Hollywood type...he has been abused by two women in his life.

Amber Heard is being presented as a poster girl for feminists who have convinced themselves that women cannot be abusive in relationships, an utterly absurd position to take.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119153504#Comment_119153504

The metoo movement had already slowed down considerably over the last few years, because of the lack of accountability (or proof) over claims made. People started to realise that there were plenty of claims, but most of them were unsubstantiated, and the victims involved found excuses rather than have the police investigate and verify/disprove the claims involved. It was only online (social media) that the metoo movement continued to have a following, but that's due to the extreme nature of social media.

Over the last decade, there has been a slow movement away from the automatic belief in women's claims because it's been abused so much.. and society is starting to recognise that women don't live in a chauvinistic environment anymore. Many of those supporting metoo or similar causes, are stuck in the 70s/80s unwilling to accept that society and the law have changed considerably, and they're no longer the victims they wish to be.

Weinstein, Kelly, and Cosby were done because of more than the metoo movement. Society was shifting and Hollywood was no longer quite so capable at hiding the seedier side of it's nature. That's as much due to the near constant connection that people have with social media, and the expanded spotlight celebs are under due to fan investigators or paparazzi, as anything else. I wouldn't give the metoo movement that much credit. Initially it was very good at highlighting the problems in society, but it quickly countered many of it's positive with a range of hateful negatives.

But then, the same thing happened with the PC, Woke or whatever social movement you want to examine. They all start with something positive, but invariably are led into the negatives by the extreme nature of their followers. Amber Heard is actually a great example of the Metoo movement, with the automatic expectation that she would be believed, that the evidence against her would be dismissed without examination, and that Depps claims would be ignored because he was a man. Same with the claim that society was against her when she represented female victims of domestic abuse, but in reality, society is incredibly supportive of claims of such by women... It's a near constant need to reinforce the position of being a victim, even when they're not.

Nobody will believe you, Johnny. Which is an interesting part of the metoo movement because the focus is on women as being victims for just about anything under the sun, and the male is always the aggressor.

Sudden Valley

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I agree but Heard could spin a believable lie due to Depps erratic behavuour and him having financial power in the relationship. Who was the second woman?