Depp/Heard Trial Verdict

Heckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147255#Comment_119147255

By that rationale juries get things right all the time too. So maybe they were right here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147236#Comment_119147236

No sense to you, maybe.

For Forks Sake

😁.

Heckler

To accuse someone of raping you with a bottle is horrendous. No medical report, no evidence. Shes a loon. But yeah I'm a "Depp cultist".

EltonJohn69

Amber Heard is a very dangerous person. She beat up her ex girlfriend, she beat up JD, I wouldn’t be surprised if she is arrested for for domestic violence again in the future.

BorneTobyWilde

DOes Depp really believe that everyone will come running back to him, that Disney will be calling tomorrow, ha, no chance, this whole witch hunt orchestrated by him is just more abuse.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147373#Comment_119147373

No. I don’t think anyone believes that. He’s said himself he’d never do another Pirates. He’s more into the independent arty movies and I’d say that he’s still got the pull with audiences that he’d get plenty of opportunities

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147373#Comment_119147373

I doubt that he does. After all, he's lived for months, even years, under the label of a abuser due to Heard's accusations and disclosures to the media.. before this last trial even started. He's a celeb. He knows and understands the way the public will view him, especially those on the internet, who will swing both ways.

Secondly, what witch hunt? Heard was shown to be verbally and physically abusive in their relationship, along with being manipulative. That's not a witch hunt.. that's revealing his side of the relationship.

Now, I understand you believe Depp to be an awful person. TBH I wouldn't put him up for any prizes for the way he's lived his life, both with or without Heard. However, believing Depp to be a bad person, doesn't mean that you have to work so hard to ignore/dismiss the rather strong evidence that Heard was abusive. Not in reaction to what Depp did, but under her own steam, and by her own choices. Just as both of them have used the media, social media and other forms of public expression to manipulate sympathy with variable success. Heard did really well initially, especially before/during/after the UK trial, and again, just before the US trial, whereas Depp has done extremely well during and after the US trial. Both are manipulators, and neither of them are angels.

I always find these cases interesting because posters seem to assume a particular side, almost unwilling to accept that their side did bad ****. They both did. Neither was completely innocent, but at least now, Heard is no longer the poster child for domestic abuse victims, and claiming society was against her, all the while the media bent over backwards to support her claims.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146382#Comment_119146382

The UK case was very different and was not against AH, but about what they published and called him. There was no jury and the judge was directly connected with the owner of the newspaper. Hardly a neutral party. The USA case was against AH and the jury saw through her lies and malice. AH is done, finished. She is as good as the crispy gift she left on her marital bed.

Maybe she has found a niche market though. If Gwyneth can sell candles that smell like vaj, Amber can sell ornaments for bed sheets.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147168#Comment_119147168

He abused drink, drugs and kitchen cabinets. Nothing to show he abused Amber. But let's just ignore the facts and cheer #ibelieveher

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147419#Comment_119147419

Amber's sister witnessed him attacking her, he also admitted in UK case he headbutted her, Depp won the case, but lets get real we all know he was abusive to her, verbally, mentally, physically. But the public doesn't like Heard, either did jury, wasn't about what was proven. In an appeal court this verdict will not stand up to the law. 7 hillbilly jurors who couldn't even fill out a verdict form correctly aren't going to change the law of the land. They got it wrong, and in the appeal court a judge will see it clearly.

You sound like Amber. Everybody that is not Amber is either wrong, stupid or lying.

Now the jurors are hillbillys. The verdict was a slam-dunk.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, really.

bewareofthedog

Only came across this clip earlier, it removed any doubt in my mind that she isn't a lying manipulative piece of work, watch to the end. I'm glad they were able to show this in the trial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H79qqf-41XI

RabbleRouser2k

There has been speculation that the UK court verdict may very well be contested now, as will the Australian court case, as it's been shown Amber perjured herself, in both cases.

As Ms Vasquez has shown (and dear God, her and Ben Chew were amazing) Amber lied about donating money, stating she 'pledged' it. Pledging is fine, but she never donated it. She stated this at the UK trial, that she had donated the money. Quite a few of Heard's witnesses never stepped up to speak on her behalf, one of whom didn't testify on account of Amber punching her in the face.

I immediately knew Heard was lying, the moment she accused Depp. The biggest indicator of character, to me, is 'What has this person done in the past?' (Good or bad). With Depp, he's done a lot of charity work, speaking to kids, visiting hospitals as Capt Jack in order to help alleviate the parent's and child's suffering. Many folks spoke up about how he was kind and patient with children who had learning disabilities, mental handicaps, or were severely autistic. There was also no mentions of him being violent to any previous girlfriend, not just Kate Moss. He even did 'Zoom' meetings with kids during the pandemic.

I looked at instances on films like 'What's eating Gilbert Grape' where Depp apologised to his co-star for things his character had to say. (Gilbert hates his morbidly obese mother for many reasons, the main one being he believes she pushed his father to take his own life.) Between takes, Depp apologised profusely to the actress playing his mother, for the rather nasty things Gilbert would say. This shows a person who's not exactly a 'monster', like they tried to portray him as.

With Heard, there was a lot of stuff in her past she tried to bury, including attacking an ex girlfriend. When the UK trial unearthed how she'd 'stolen' a friends sexual assault story and masqueraded that it 'happened to her'... that showed some seriously disturbing behaviour on her part. As did her alleged 'raped with a bottle' that folks have unearthed (including word for word dialogue from the script) occurs in a movie (I believe it was either Gone Girl, or The Accused). Disturbed individual right there.

The media really behaved disgustingly. From the New York Post editing a photo to make it look like Heard was crying, to posting updates on the case, but only the 'this makes Johnny look bad' parts. (Even when an expert was called and completely slam dunked Heard's evidence).

Folks pushing this as a 'loss' for women... no. No it's not. If anything, it's a win for women. You saw how many, many, many women came out to support Depp. Many of them knew him, personally. They knew he was a flawed individual, but not an abusive one. (The only person he abused, was himself). Calling out an individual who is genuinely remorseless, and abusive... going against the grain. Proving that this 'believe all women' narrative is poisonous. That takes serious strength. And you saw a lot of strong women at this case. Not just Camille Vasquez.

dogbert27

Heard also fired her PR firm during the trial as she was looking bad in social media. Show's what she was really caring about.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147373#Comment_119147373

He doesn't think that, and even if they did come calling he'd probably tell them to fúck off,

witch hunt? more like getting all the facts out in the open, come what may

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147474#Comment_119147474

Amber's sister is about as credible a witness as a baguette is a reliable oar. You're really expecting the sister (who Amber also physically and mentally abused) to win any favour in the trial, or anywhere else? The public doesn't like Heard because most of us know what she is.

What I find funny is a hillbilly juror can clearly see what you fail to. And yet you are the one insulting their intelligence. Classy guy. Amber is the abuser, not Johnny. Any appeal will just cost her more of the money she donated [cough] pledged to charity.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147414#Comment_119147414

Steven Segal movies are her future.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147255#Comment_119147255

All the time, or just when you don't like the verdict?

Ask yourself which is more likely.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147517#Comment_119147517

The media really did themselves no favours in this case, especially in the age of the fake news narrative. I would watch the trial and then see news reports that had a very distorted and skewed take on what had actually happened in court.

The guardian are still committed to the narrative that this trial is a triumph for misogyny and that Amber will have a career as a womens rights advocate and domestic abuser spokesperson.

Amber is a sociopath and a liar who hijacked the me too movement to advance her own acting career and ultimately too make money.

Amenhotep

Amazed the doubling down on her lies by publishing that statement.

And the amount of people supporting her, just shows how tribal it is , even when proved innocent in a court of law it doesn't matter to these people, it's all politics with them and they'd want an innocent person punished just because they don't like them politically/gender/etc ... - terrifying.

Like the Rittenhouse case.

Look at this mad yoke

https://twitter.com/anitasarkeesian/status/1532092637460672512?s=20&t=HqOQPvPE_vIpkvcQ8AgBtw

Jequ0n

This case has caused more damage than it did good to anyone so I’m not sure why everyone is rejoicing so much.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147880#Comment_119147880

I think people are relieved to see that a verdict that aligned with facts presented was reached instead of a verdict based on their gender/politics

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147880#Comment_119147880

Where and how has it caused damage?

dublin49

didnt follow the US case but she must been the most unconvincing witness of all time given the stuff Depp owned up re ,texts, substance abuse etc.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147880#Comment_119147880

Because it's a win for social change regarding the position of males in society. Now, there's a greater chance that men will come forward with their claims of abuse, knowing that there's a greater possibility that their own claims won't be dismissed out of hand, and lastly, that society/justice might start seeing the female in a relationship as being more responsible for being the aggressor in a variety of circumstances. After all, in most Justice systems women still get punished less than men for doing the same crimes, often with excuses/justifications being found that wouldn't be sought for the male.

Cases like these bring us closer to an honest society, where the female gender isn't protected so much at the expense of the male gender.

So, I'm rejoicing because this high profile case adds some cracks to the systems that discriminate so much based on gender.

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147226#Comment_119147226

how's that hangover today ?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147926#Comment_119147926

The take away from it is that she had fabricated lies abuse allegations. This will not be beneficial for any actual abuse victims, who will be seen with suspicion by those who want to use this trial to support their views.

And the general condemnation of disorders that people think they have grasped but which they genuinely don’t understand.

With regards to gender debates: both sides on the extreme spectrum will be using this for publicity.

As I said: I can’t see much good having come from this.

EltonJohn69

https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeForJohnnyDepp/comments/v2w68g/for_those_who_say_that_depp_winning_the_trial/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

it is very rare that I agree with Fox News let alone “Judge Jeanine” but all the other media outlets seemed to feel obligated to support Amber because she is female.

timmyntc

Amber Turd heheheheheh

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119146026#Comment_119146026

What age are you! Edward Scissorhands is a childhood classic!

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147992#Comment_119147992

If you were judge and jury what outcome would you have chosen?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148048#Comment_119148048

The verdict seems reasonable. I just think it’s unfortunate that the story is being used by anyone with an agenda.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148165#Comment_119148165

Isn’t every story being used everyday by anyone with an agenda? Not being smart btw. I think it was a reasonable outcome too, I found Heard to be disreputable.

Sudden Valley

So it appears that Heard may plan to appeal the verdict. interesting to see if she can do this as she has to put the $10m up front which she may not have. Also she can see how unsuccessful Depp was in appealing the UK case.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148308#Comment_119148308

Unsurprising really. She probably has herself convinced of her version of events and feels like she is the genuine victim.

It will just end with her losing more money.

@dePeatrick i agree

Brucie Bonus

She certainly **** the bed.

conorhal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119147480#Comment_119147480

I think the reaction can be neatly summed up as 'LOL, hoes mad'.

A certian section of the media really are determined to die on the hill of #believeallwomen, as if women float above the rest of us, perfect and virtuous to a fault and not at all prone to a single human foible.

It is literal insanity to #believeallwomen, I certainly don't. You know who I do believe? The women in my family, my female friends and those I have a close enough relationship to that I have some inkling of their character such that I can make a judgement on whether or not they are trustworthy individuals and not inveterate liars (and I've met a few of those of both sexes). I do not automatically believe anybody that I have no reason to. I am however open to be convinced by whatever evidence they can offer.

There seems to be a 'certain sort' in the media that actually enjoys the power to casually destroy a man with a single hashtag and they are now effectively lamenting that accountability and evidence should apply to all in a court of law. These people are what we call bullies, the sort that love to exercise their authority or power just for the sake of it, and they are genuinely disappointed that perhaps it just got a tiny bit harder wreck your life on their say so alone. These are cruel and dangerous people of the sort that pointed and hollered 'WITCH!' in Salem or denounced their neighbours to the 'revolutionary council', the Stasi or CCP committees for virtue and truth etc. It really chaps their ass that they can’t gulag you with a mere accusation and it’s scary that people like that control so much of the media and sit in positions of real power.

The sad part is that realistically this will actually change nothing for men that are falsely accused, even when a lie is proved there is no consequence for the liar and very few men have the resources of Johnny Depp to fight an up-hill legal battle across two continents to even attempt to clear their name.

dbas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148571#Comment_119148571

Very well summed up.

People applying the #believewomen to this case must not have seen any of the evidence.

Victims need our protection and support, but victims are not always women

Feisar

I haven't read the whole thread, anyone with any thoughts on Elon Musk? He was bizarre!

Given all I've heard over the years about Depp and how insufferable I find him and how he pretty much ruins anything he's in (for me) my thoughts when this started coming out were "Hmmm". It just didn't ring true. Kevin Spacey? Everyone knew. Marilyn Manson? If anyone was surprised I've a bridge you might be interested in buying.

I've noticed afterwards (including the radio just now) that the talk for Heard's "side" avoids specifics while Depp's side (and 90+% of people who watched the whole time) is the opposite. Strange, right? Well...

bad2thebone

Looks like Johnny Depp will take time to recover from all this. I wish him well and hopefully he'll heal in time. Been there myself in an abusive, manipulation relationship.

A common thing I've observed is people who defend the likes of her and suggest she's the victim are usually potential abusers themselves.

A string of broken relationships and a trail of drama, mindfukery , and the best way to detach is no contact. But these people will use anything to get at you. Manipulate your reality so much that you'll be in a perpetual spin.

Luckily for Mr Depp he had no children with her. Because she'd still be able to control his emotions. Now he can walk away into the sunset....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148635#Comment_119148635

Rumours are he is the biological father of Ms Heard's 14 month old baby.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148621#Comment_119148621

People applying the #believewomen to this case must not have seen any of the evidence.

They saw the evidence and didn't care.

You're trying to apply rationality to people who are extremely emotional, and don't favour logic even slightly. There was a common trend with the #IbelieveHer and #MeToo movements that emotions were what was important, and fact checking frowned upon. The claim was more important than any kind of evidence to support the claim, even when evidence presented disproved the claim. The people who are into these movements are incredibly focused on anything that supports their outrage.

Victims need our protection and support, but victims are not always women

If this case has shown anything, victims are not always victims regardless of how much support they receive. This case turned the tables as to who was the victim.

Reports circulating that Amber Heard is set to contest the verdict of the jury.

So the saga might not be over just yet.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148890#Comment_119148890

Cheers, I didn't know that. Thought he came off weird/goofy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148957#Comment_119148957

If that's true, then it doesn't really matter what happens re: losing $8 million to Depp; as Musk will take care of her financially for the rest of her life.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119148845#Comment_119148845

“A common thing I've observed is people who defend the likes of her and suggest she's the victim are usually potential abusers themselves.”

Most are just idiots, and believe everything that suits their current cause.

I can understand why someone who has escaped an abusive relationship reacts more strongly to this case. It means they are not objective and are likely to project a lot.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119149049#Comment_119149049

There's also a large cohort of women who just hate men and wanted Amber to win on the basis that women must be "Heard"; the Me-2 Cultists.

Common personality traits typically include hysteria, paranoia, and a sense of entitlement; all wrapped up with an equally unattractive exterior and possibly multi-coloured hair.

Sudden Valley

I cant see Heard winning the retrial but i guess she has to attempt it not to get cancelled. Will be interesting how Aquaman 2 will be marketed now. Im sure Depp regrets blowing up his long term relationship with thst french lady for this sh#$ show