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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,706 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    But the trend is done when you look at the polls.

    Once cannot deny this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭pureza




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    No exemption for crowds at funerals before that date. Michelle O'Neill's hypocrisy can be seen from her slamming the PM at the time for not being quick enough in his response. How could she say that after attending Mr Storey's funeral, with thousands of others - possibly the biggest known funeral anywhere in these islands during the first year of the pandemic, at least?

    Quote "Critics have suggested social distancing was not maintained in crowds that lined the streets as the hearse drove by or by large groups of people who walked behind the hearse at a greater distance.

    Ms O'Neill also went to a Requiem Mass in St Agnes' Church in Andersonstown, which the BBC understands was attended by about 120 people.

    She was also criticised for posing for a photograph at Milltown cemetery, where a man had his arm around her shoulders.

    She subsequently said this incident took place "in the blink of an eye" and "shouldn't have happened".

    Critics were angry the then-deputy first minister, who appealed to the public during the pandemic to adhere to social distancing guidelines to reduce the risk of coronavirus transmission, has now contravened the very rules she helped set."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-53275733



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I was not at either but I gather from media reports ( that is all we can go on) that the Colm Horkan (not Harkin) state funeral was considerably smaller that the funeral in Belfast, that social distancing was observed at one funeral and that all the leading members of one political party from around the country did not take attend one of the funerals. To be fair, I think both were excessive in hindsight, given the huge sacrifices most of the rest of us, inc some very elderly and lonely people, were making. Just one more excessive than the other, and attended by politicians who would now like to govern us.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭pureza


    Id agree that both were ill advised

    I couldnt believe it that Garda Horkan was given a state funeral in the middle of a pandemic when a celebration of his life could have happened when conditions allowed instead

    But all this was raked over adnauseum at the time,I dont see the point in a rehash

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The point of a rehash is to make Sinn Fein look bad in any way possible. Never mind we had some ridiculous restrictions during the covid era brought in by the civil war parties but SF may have been involved in a few events so let's slate them... Hilarious when you think about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,058 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Oh no, an arm around her shoulder at a funeral and 120 mother's in a church that was allowed to hold 120 at the time to mourn the dead man… I fail to see how that's anywhere near as bad as bojo not taking covid seriously in the early days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes, the political parties that represent the opposing sides of the civil war, it's a good name for them I think



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Given those involved at Golfgate resigned (or were pushed), those who attended the Storey funeral should have resigned as well. How can you continue to support and defend the SF politicians who attended on any issues given their continued worse behavior than other parties? It makes a mockery of any commentary you make on the government. (try and defend them without whataboutery now)

    O'Neill coming out about it now is pretty wimpish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Partygate forced Bojo out eventually, using it as a whatabout means those at the funeral should also do the right thing and resign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭pureza


    I take it you're a Sinn Féin supporter

    The restrictions were founded in logic,hospitals were overwhelmed in the early days with no vaccine

    It would undoubtedly have been much much worse without the restrictions

    Whats hilarious is a Sinn Féin supporter citing what the foreign PM Boris was at,as cover for what Sinn Féin did

    Although hilarious is not the word

    Strange would be a better one

    I wouldn't mind the too'ing and fro'ing here

    Most of it is the same few people trying to get a rise out of one another

    It's extremely repetitive and sadly is an integral and it appears important part of some peoples days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,058 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    ”I think” 🤔

    Or is it what Sinn Fein agenda push’s so people copy & paste.

    It’s funny Sinn Fein supporters constantly demand online that the past should be forgotten when it is mentioned about Provisional Sinn Fein creation and the issues in the North

    Then a few posts later they waffle about the “civil war” 🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,058 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    what Sinn Fein supporters also don’t want mentioned is the political rally dressed up as a funeral was in the North which couldn’t handle Covid at all, mostly down to the incompetence of the assembly, which results in the hospital in Rep of Ireland close to the border been flooded with people from the north as they could get no help from the Northern system


    All while Sinn Fein was up doing selfies at the funeral of …..well you can get the information yourself on the character in question



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭Notmything


    So your response to people dragging up sf history is to refer back to the civil war, the irony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,218 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nowhere got Covid all right. Even here people died because the wrong decisions were made.
    Had we a sworn inquiry then there would be red faces here too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Most people done the best they could, and did not want to risk flooding the hospitals with patients, especially in those early months when there was no certainty of a vaccine being developed etc.

    For say a year after Covid really hit the world (early Spring 2020), what was the biggest mass gathering in this country by far? It appears to have been that funeral in Belfast in June 2020, thousands of people, with buses from as far as Kerry / Cork? And not a mask in sight. Anyone else come close to such a gathering?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,218 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The point I made was a rebuttal of the notion that NI got it all wrong.

    That is of course exaggerated.

    All governments/political parties devolved or not, got stuff terribly wrong and people died or got sick as a result.

    Covid didn't care what size the crowd was or who was at an event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    You did not answer the question. During the pandemic, was the IRA / SF funeral in Belfast the biggest mass gathering in this country by far? Anyone other gathering come close?

    Yes, with the benefits of hindsight governments around the world may have done some things differently, but do not forget with the Covid 19 pandemic they were in unchartered territory and nobody knew what the future held.

    If you were in government then would you have encouraged mass gatherings without masks etc? Of have the leaders of the biggest political party from around the island attend, with buses reported to have come from as far away as Kerry and Cork?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,218 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So you refuse to accept that Covid didn't give a dam about the size of a crowd, making any breach a serious mistake.

    People and governments and politicians and political parties made mistakes that in 'hindsight' they wouldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The bigger the crowd the bigger the chance of transmission. That is why there was some limit on crowd sizes virtually everywhere in the world, a.f.a.i.k., certainly in the western world. Of course you / SF know different.

    You still did not answer the questions.

    (A) During the pandemic, was the IRA / SF funeral in Belfast the biggest mass gathering in this country by far?

    (B) Anyone other gathering come close?

    (C) If you were in government then would you have encouraged mass gatherings without masks etc? Or have the leaders of the biggest political party from around the island attend, with buses reported to have come from as far away as Kerry and Cork?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,279 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    think sf are screwed, theyre losing numbers and they ll need everything they can get to have any chance at all at forming a government, tis looking like another ffg…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭pureza




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,279 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im just not convinced of that, i think ffg are playing a blinder in regards immigration, and its working, i think sf are sunk, many are gonna move towards newer, more extreme candidates, but most if not all wont play any role in forming a government, pushing it back towards ffg…



  • Subscribers Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭TCP/IP


    Luckily SF have been found out for what they really are, another four years in opposition for them and let's be honest they are perfectly happy with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,218 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't know if it was the biggest or not. It was the wrong thing to do, I have said that from the start and my very first post on the issue.

    A breach was a breach.
    A mistake was a mistake. And many made them.

    *It's great to see we are a 'country' again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Ok, we do not know if it was the biggest gathering of a crowd of people (reported as 1800 or thousands) during Covid, but as nobody can suggest a similar size or gathering otherwise we can only assume it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,218 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well, if it was a competition, who would win the encouraging people to leave the country to attend concerts one? Or who would win the encouraging gofing society outings one?, or the civil service department parties when securing UN positions one?
    Governments, political parties and politicians as well as the ordinary people made mistakes or did the wrong thing. They deserve criticism and penalties if they broke the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I do not remember any concerts in April, May, June 2020 or indeed for a long time after that. In April / May / June 2020 I think 99% of people took the restrictions seriously. Good attempt at deflection though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,218 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's not deflection it's 'perspective', Which you don't seem to possess if there is a shinner about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    From your "perspective", what concerts were there in April, May, June 2020 or indeed for a long time after that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    The notion that there'll be any appreciable impact on voters because of a politician attending the Bohs-Palestine game is pretty far fetched. For it to be true you'd need:

    1. A significant cohort of voters for whom Gaza is the defining factor in who they vote for.
    2. Despite this, that these voters somehow haven't made up their minds based on the vast amount of political talk and action (and inaction) relating to Gaza in near eight months since Hamas' offensive.
    3. That these same voters will however be convinced to vote one way or another based solely on seeing a photo of MLMcD at Dalymount the other night?

    It simply makes no sense.

    And I mean this to cover both pro and anti-Palestinian sentiment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,058 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Coming up to the election nobody wil care about Palestine, people will unfollow a few celebs online and think that is them done for a protest against what is going on

    Sinn Fein are banging the Palestine drum yet at the same time running over to the US to get huge donations from the same people they are complaining about. Another example of Sinn Fein and their incompetence. They can't even make a proper stand on any topic without flip flopping around.

    Of course the same people who already voted SF and think sticking a flag of Palestine on their online profile is helping, will think ti is great 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's a good job social media exists otherwise I'll never know about them running over to the US , from Canada or Mexico presumably, to get huge donations from the anti-Palestine crowd. Can't find any such details anywhere else mind so I hope this isn't a misinformation campaign



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's down to the roots of the party, FF/FG were opposing sides of the bloodiest war ever fought on the island, a huge representation of separation. Sinn Fein, which translates roughly as "us" or "we ourselves" is a symbol of unity in many ways don't you think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,340 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What a load of rubbish and rewriting history. First off Sinn Fein stands for ''ourselves alone'' and was the named so to project a party that was set up to achieve Irish Freedom. Secondly FF and SF were on one side of the civil war as SF or the Irregulars. It split in 1927 when FF was formed as they decided to enter the Dail.

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭Notmything


    The civil war was not the bloodiest war ever fought on this island ,that and your misunderstanding of what sinn Fein means suggests you need to brush up on your learning.

    You also misrepresent FF and FG as representing separation when they've been in power together in one form or other for the past number of years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    It's very simple:

    Eddie Copeland

    Brian Gillen

    Gerry Kelly

    Ted Howell

    Martin Ferris

    Tom Murphy

    Gerry Adams

    Danny Morrison

    Thomas McMahon

    Martin Lynch

    If you want these old men running the country from 2025 onwards just vote for the local stooge in your area. That includes MLMD, the leader without a voice



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    I have to take issue with you about MLMD.

    A “voice without a leader” would be more appropriate 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    A voice without a say would be a better drscription👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,728 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I think SF have successful scuttled their chances of being in government.

    They could never risk being in government. That would be the end of them as a party after a stint where they actually had to get off the fence and follow through on their many words. And people are sick already of Mary Lou. Imagine how they would feel about her if she were Taoiseach.

    But you have to give them credit. Its very hard to torpedo your own chances in an election on purpose without looking too much like you did it on purpose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭myfreespirit


    First off Sinn Fein stands for ''ourselves alone'' 

    Nitpick: Sinn Féin means "ourselves" in Gaelic/Irish.

    As in: mé féin = myself, tú féin = yourself and sinn féin = ourselves

    Слава Україн– Glóir don Úcráin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,891 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No. Neither Fianna Fáil nor Fine Gael existed at the time of the Civil War, which was fought between opposing factions of Sinn Féin — a pro-Treaty faction led by Michael Collins and an anti-Treaty faction led by Eamon de Valera. The war ended in March/April 1923; some months later the pro-Treaty SF faction founded Cumman na nGaedhal, which in 1933 merged with a couple of smaller groups to form Fine Gael. The anti-Treaty SF faction continued to use the name "Sinn Féin", but split in 1926 over the policy of abstention. Fianna Fáil, founded in 1927, emerged from that split. Over the next two decades the rump of Sinn Féin faded away to almost nothing, until the IRA (which at the time had no formal links with Sinn Féin) decided to take it over and try to revitalise it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,058 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Yes people are running mis-information campaigns on boards😂

    Not a person for checking history books I see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,173 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, actually, you just proved my point.

    Sinn Fein at the Palestinian game = Sinn Fein falling in the polls.

    A vote-loser.

    RBB doesn't count, his vote is trivially insignificant no matter what he does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭Rosahane


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,218 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So SF doing what they have done for decades, doing what anyone with a smattering of political knowledge knows they will - i.e. supporting Palestinians, go to a fairly low profile event and suffer polling losses as a result??


    Tenuous analysis.



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