Has there been a load of people quitting in your workplace recently? Seems to be a mass exodus.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157560#Comment_119157560

They live on average ten years longer compared to fifty years ago. In the year 2000 it was only a three year average difference and even that "recently" we weren't seeing similar trends.

Now it's certainly a factor, but I'm really not so sure how large a factor it is. On the surface anyway. Another factor related to this might be; in the past it was more common for the elderly, especially after they were widowed to move in with one of their children rather than stay on independent in their home. Which in turn would free up one house to the market. I noticed this with my friends and peers years ago. A large proportion of them grew up at some point with a granny or grandad in their family home. Those same people's parents are in all but one case either still living in their own home, or in a nursing home because of medical problems, usually because of some form of dementia, which seems to be very much on the increase.

tjhook

For the two years of Covid, very few people voluntarily changed jobs in most sectors - at least compared to previous years. It's natural that with relative normality, there'd be a pent-up cohort changing jobs.

Added to that, I think people were able to judge their employer from how they reacted to the Covid situation. Did they reduce wages? Did they allow WFH? How did they manage people's worries about close contact in the workplace? Did they force people back to the workplace as early as they could, or did they allow flexibility? What was their reaction following a positive COVID test? Obviously not all these questions apply to all employment sectors, but for many it allowed an easy comparison to be made between their own situation and that of their friends.

It's an employees' market now, so of course employees will make the most of it. These things are cyclical, and when it's an employers' market, you can bet many employers will do the same. If you don't feel that you're treated well now in your employment, it's unlikely to change when your boss knows there are queues of people willing to do your job for less.

JackieChang

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157485#Comment_119157485

Nice. What did you invest in?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157485#Comment_119157485

Not bad. Most people don’t realize that they will need a pension of 1 million minimum to have any chance of retiring early. Too many start loading into their pensions too late.

techman1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157587#Comment_119157587

Yes but alot of that bureacracy and box ticking exercises are coming from Government. Look at the amount of government quangos now, the extra bureacracy and regulation and difficulty finding workers is forcing many small businesses to close. This is not being detected yet due to the still buoyant jobs market. But when the widely anticipated recession hits all those businesses will be missed.

As one poster said he gave up being a self employed professional to join the public service to avail of all the benefits and security, (maybe to work in one of those quangos 😀

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157998#Comment_119157998

A lot of the bureaucracy and bs I was referring to has absolutely nothing to do with the government (although I know that's an issue too), it's just inbuilt in a lot of large multinationals & across certain industries, leading to a lot of non value added roles and reduced job satisfaction.

Noone has left where i work (yet),but a company doing more or less,the same as us over road has lost 4/5 of its staff since xmas

fits

I’m moving from an interesting flexible role but no long term security to a long term full time contract. I think it’s time for a bit of stability.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158515#Comment_119158515

Underrated. I've been considering a career change but my job is incredibly stable. It's a horrid thing to get used to.

fits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158758#Comment_119158758

Yeah I know. I don’t want to stagnate either and have enjoyed moving around. Current role especially. Earlier in my career I really wanted a permanent job. More recently not so much.

Noticing a subtle, but growing, movement of "consultants" working for the likes of EY, Accenture, Deloitte etc attempting to make the move over to "client" companies. That's very much against the pattern of the past few years.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158515#Comment_119158515

I really want stability as well. I went to get back to Europe and work and live where I have a natural right to live.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157077#Comment_119157077

Older people living longer is a tiny % of our vast increases of population.

Even if our population stood still we aren't building enough even to service that demand.

The reason you can't get housing is you have vastly more competition for it at your own age. You are competing with people your own age who can out bid you for the limited stock out there.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160086#Comment_119160086

You're in Vietnam, right? Do you mind if I ask why you moved over there?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157188#Comment_119157188

Exactly. If people think housing is bad. Wait till they try finding care or a nursing home which is vastly more expensive than a mortgage even now. There a chronic shortage of resources and place.

When you get old it will be far far worse.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159859#Comment_119159859

have noticed the opposite!

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119156624#Comment_119156624

I'm not in CS. Similar story my place though not as bad. Slow drain of people leaving. Not been able to fill roles even after advertising the job many times. Get ghosted a lot. People who join don't stay. Same story with contractors and permanent staff.

Lots looking for more wfh and flexible working. Yet we are slowly increasing the days in the office and becoming less flexible. We are also can't compete on salary. So I guess it will continue.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160173#Comment_119160173

I was on my way a job in Sydney but had a voluntary redundancy burning a hole in my pocket so stopped off on the way. Spent two months driving around VN on a motorbike and just fell in love with it. Have been trapped in a job that's far too easy ever since. But I'm determined to untrap myself and get back on track so am starting a postgrad in September.

Fear over losing a job is one thing but when losing a job means you have to find a new job within two weeks, or leave the country you've spent over a decade in, it gets mentally exhausting.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159859#Comment_119159859

You can only work for those companies for a few years before burn out and time to get the hell out.

Was always a steady flow into clients and normally welcomed by the company as they hoped it out mean contracts still been given to them as they have a “man/woman”

BrianD3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160177#Comment_119160177

The likes of farmers and others with assets know about nursing home charges and the Fair Deal - but many others haven't a clue.

I had a conversation with a consultant geriatrician about a relative of mine possibly going into a NH. I told her what the nearest public nursing home charges (over 2k) and how much would be payable by my relative under the FD (approx 1.3k)

Consultant: oh that's a lot, I didn't realise it was that much per month

Me: those figures are per week

Consultant: Oh

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160279#Comment_119160279

Home care is much the same cost.

Before downsizing is mentioned I looked into that and it made no sense financially or socially. Even if there was suitable properly and there wasn't.

I think the lockdown refocused people about what's important to them in life. The job suddenly lost it's appeal.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160209#Comment_119160209

Ah. Very interesting. A friend of mine is with a Vietnamese woman. Sounds like a very interesting culture.

But yeah, the insecurity would wear me down as well. Best of luck with the postgrad.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160208#Comment_119160208

the changes to the pension post 2013 for new entrants will have far reaching consequences in this sphere.

public servants will be far more likely to leave early and mid career imo.

handlemaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248714/has-there-been-a-load-of-people-quitting-in-your-workplace-recently-seems-to-be-a-mass-exodus

Are people quiting employment !! I don't think so. More likely retrained moved into different sector. Covid gave people time to reflect on their working lives and take up courses where possible

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160519#Comment_119160519

I know a quite a few who have retired early.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160466#Comment_119160466

I agree 100%.

The wage disparity in technical jobs is becoming too great.

BrianD3

Covid, even though a relatively mild virus reminded people of the fragility of life and how they can't rely on "authorities", systems, employers and other people.

Childcare and especially eldercare costs are huge. Many people with these responsibilities barely earn enough to justify working. Staying at home and being a carer instead of bursting yourself for the median salary may be a better option. Especially so if there is a long commute (paying 2 euro per litre of diesel) and your employer has ordered you back to the office - to a job which could be (and was during Covid) done just as effectively at home.

Add to that other factors that people may not consider e.g. the stuff online about anti consumerism, early retirement/FIRE and MGTOW which was there well before the pandemic or any talk of Great Resignations.

Some serious cynicism and anti views out there, I read a blog NattyorNot, at a casual glance it seems to be about bodybuilding and calling out fake naturals on Instagram etc. but it's much more than that.

Also, there has apparently been an explosion in interest in Incel forums. "Inceldom" and "NEETing" are closely related.

fits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160466#Comment_119160466

I was caught out with this. Left in 2012 to get some international experience and badly penalised for it.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160643#Comment_119160643

I think life your life is richer for taking opportunities even if they don't work then regretting not having taken them.

Ohmeha

After hardly anyone leaving our place during 2020 and covid like most places in 2021 we saw some staff leave for better salaries in other companies without too much impact. This first half of the year it's now more of a surge of experienced long-term staff making lateral moves in our company on same conditions to other departments who offer sane workloads and flexibility on WFH. Going to be a grim second half of the year expecting more looking to jump from the sinking ship not wanting to be last ones stuck surrounded by inexperienced cheaper graduates or offshoring, management achieving their costs cuts seem to be the only ones happy around the place

techman1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160572#Comment_119160572

do you mean disparity between wages in technical jobs between public and private sector? I presume the private sector possibly pays more for these skills as that is the market, people that opt for the public service do it for the security and benefits. I bet the younger people with these skills enter the private sector for the wages and to develop their skills then switch to the public service as they get older and security and pensions become the priority

mariaalice

Apparently we are going to have a new kind of recession, this time it will be full employment and a recession a new phenomenon.

divillybit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158758#Comment_119158758

I've a similar dilemma, steady secure interesting private sector job but the first whiff of a slowdown and wages will be frozen and then a pay cut will be implemented...expecting an offer of a civil service job soon but will need to take a 15k pay cut but long term it will be a better move. Hopefully..

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161783#Comment_119161783

It won't be worth it for the pension on offer to them.

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119162521#Comment_119162521

Why are you willing to take a guaranteed 15K pay cut now and leave an interesting steady secure job in case of a possible pay freeze or pay cut that might not happen, also is that pay cut likely to be 15K?

People are desperate to be able to get a mortgage, and it’s all about earning power and savings, also being able to put something aside for the pension and coping with the de facto recession fast approaching.

divillybit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165091#Comment_119165091

Definitely a big decision @Girly Gal for me to opt for the Civil service if it comes to pass but long term I would be better off in the civil service. I see it in my own work place where they are have to pay new recruits more to get them in the door but existing staff there a long time are getting minimal pay increases and hard earned work experience isint valued Its interesting to read posts on this thread from @[Deleted User] that are losing people from government departments. I wonder is it lower paid staff that are leaving for better wages in the private sector?

its a mix of those, and also the professional/specialist grades.

but the changes to the pension make it far more attractive to do so now and a few years experience is worth a lot more in the private sector these days than it is in the civil service, where the broad base of competencies required can take a while to build up tbh

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167474#Comment_119167474

What grade are you entering the civil service at?

KilOit

Few are retiring early in my area in public sector, and plenty of jobs are available as well

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167474#Comment_119167474

Obviously you have to make what you feel is the best decision for yourself. My concern would be that taking a 15 k drop now to go to the civil service seems like a lot, how long will it take you to get back to that level in the civil service. Plus you say your current job is interesting, which suggests you enjoy or have good job satisfaction currently, that's worth considering too.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167474#Comment_119167474

It's culturally very different. Don't underestimate that. If there is downturn in the private sector there maybe a pay freeze, and recruitment embargo in the Public sector that's much longer.

Tar.Aldarion

Over 30 people a month have been quitting my girlfriends place since they forced them back into the office, so they had to reverse the decision.

divillybit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119167584#Comment_119167584

@KaneToad , it's a EO grade I'd be entering at...

The Mighty Quinn

You're all starting to make me think I'm crazy to be leaving a job.

Been there for 6 years, permanent position. 99% of the way to accepting a contract role elsewhere. It's a design role in a multinational engineering company, focus on Pharma and industrial.

The Mighty Quinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170716#Comment_119170716

No, I'm 5 years into a mortgage (which I actually obtained in 2017 while in a contracting role at the organisation I work for now).

A little nervous with everyone insisting a downturn is coming is all.

KaneToad

Excellent. Well done. Best of luck with it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119170782#Comment_119170782

If you’re getting a significant salary increase consider upping your mortgage repayments or put a lump sum in annually with prearrangement with your bank or simply put more savings aside for any rainy day

antimatterx

I work in tech, a lot of people are leaving unfortunately. It's actually a great place to work, but the pay increases are paltry. I'll probably hang around for the next while and see how the recession goes, but I'll be leaving once the storm passes.