Irish birthrate slumps 22% in a decade

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157823#Comment_119157823

The “natives” and “mass immigration” and we claim this is not racist

At the moment ireland needs mass immigration because we don’t have enough people for the jobs we have, some turn around from having to send nearly everyone overseas as we had no jobs not too long ago

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160393#Comment_119160393

FFS. This nonsense again.

Ireland does not need ‘mass immigration’. The country requires controlled, skills-based migration to address specific gaps in the labor market. There’s also an impending global recession that may very well obviate the need for any inward migration.

Can you please think before you start spouting this rubbish going forward?

Tonesjones

Mass immigration is here. The country is changing.

Percentage of total population who were born overseas is higher in Ireland than in :

Belgium

Estonia

Netherlands

Spain

Croatia

Slovenia

Latvia

France

Denmark

Greece

Italy

Portugal

Finland

Hungary

Lithuania

Czechia

Slovakia

Romania

Poland

Source: European migration network

Emn.ie/useful-statistics/migration-and-migrant-population-statistics-in-eu-28/

@Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160393#Comment_119160393

@Hamachi already covered the essentials.

But you clearly do not understand the difference between mass, uncontrolled immigration and controlled, targeted migration.

You can be against mass immigration but in favour of immigration when it's controlled. It doesn't mean you're against all migration, forever.

And no, that's not racist. For God's sake...

Absolute Zero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160518#Comment_119160518

Welcome to the modern 'multi-cult' hell where the sleepwalking (into the abyss) normies love to bring up the old "Irish and emigration" trope to try and shut down discussion about this issue. You'd have to wonder what it takes to make these normies actually grow up and face the facts that this country is changing and at the detrimiment of the native population. It seems like the murders this year alone couldn't do it?

the **** misery of the agenda in these threads, in all threads

population growing bad

population falling bad

because no houses no jobs because they are replacing me because immigrants because environment because whatever

the idea "the world was ideal sometime before and could be ideal sometime again if only everyone listened to the same post i make in every thread"

almost as bad as "the world used to be easy and now its doomed because of the same post i make in every thread"

how the majority of ye dont just have scripts ready to c&p at this stage (maybe ye do) is beyond me, as is what ye could possibly be getting out of it. not like anyone ever fuckin listens or debates a point.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160544#Comment_119160544

Would you include yourself in that or is it just everyone else who is "flawed"?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160544#Comment_119160544

...not like anyone ever fuckin listens or debates a point.

The irony that you actually included this line at the end of that rant / diatribe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160232#Comment_119160232

I read part of the thread and it’s seems a lot of racism

Ok. let's see some specifics. Directly quote posters, and show us what is racist. Not what you think is racist, but what is racist due to the actual definition of the word. And no, don't read between the lines.. or reinterpret what posters have said.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-wamii/womenandmeninireland2019/health/#:~:text=Ireland%3A%20Average%20age%20of%20mother,of%20first%20child%2C%201955%2D2018&text=%3A%20data%20not%20available.&text=The%20average%20age%20at%20which,to%2031.1%20years%20in%202018.

Higher in the 1950s than then 60s, 70s. Rises back up in the 80s. People can start families and have kids younger if they are economically able to. Women being more highly educated does not explain the Pre 1980s ups and downs. But its a good one to ignore the other issue...........

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058248801/irish-birthrate-slumps-22-in-a-decade

yippee, go financialisation! ...and we re fcuked!

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119159099#Comment_119159099

While your reasons are shared by others, they are absolutely dwarfed by the overwhelming fact that many people are just financially priced out of the children "market". It's the money factor that's stopping the majority of people from even thinking of having a single child, never mind a couple or a few. People cannot even think of owning a home as a matter of course any more. Adding children on top of that situation is even more of a pipe dream.

And until we get our spiralling costs of living under control in a serious way, it'll continue to be that way for the future.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161015#Comment_119161015

...yup, i suspect this is the real reasons why this is occurring, but of course theres multiple reasons for so....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161015#Comment_119161015

You're wrong. A lot of people simply don't know how to budget their basket each week. If they were more effective at money management, they would easily afford a child. A house is an entirely different matter. But as for paying for a child, that's more to do with bad money management.

Tony EH

You're wrong.

🤣

Go away you.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119160463#Comment_119160463

I don't think that comparisons of proportion of foreign-born people in various countries means very much. Given that Ireland is relatively small and extremely open both economically and demographically, I would expect a high proportion of foreign-born. Remember the movement is both ways: there are loads of Irish-born living abroad, and some of the foreign.-born are children of Irish people who emigrated for a while and then returned.

Some countries may have a lot of foreign-born who are retirees in search of a warm climate: they have a very different impact to young immigrants with kids.

Where Ireland stand out is the long-term increase in population: it was less than 2.8m in 1961 and now is over 5m. Not many (or any?) European countries can match that.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161039#Comment_119161039

...me bollcoks, we ve made a complete fcuk of our economies, by promoting, encouraging, facilitating etc etc, highly dangerous sectors such as the fire sectors to run the show, and by fcuk have they made a mess of things!

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161052#Comment_119161052

Is your comment not contradictory?

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161087#Comment_119161087

Not really. A high level of mobility could give you a high proportion of foreign-born even if immigration and emigration more or less offset one another, and population increase does not necessarily follow. While Ireland has had a big long-term increase in population, a significant amount of this could be due to higher fertility - I don't have the numbers to hand, but I'm fairly sure that this was important some years ago.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161120#Comment_119161120

I'm giving you a link to a the European migration network that shows graphs and figures that Ireland has a higher proportion of people living there than almost all other EU countries but you are dismissing it because we have a small population?

The point is that our small country with its small population is receiving massive amounts of immigration. Per population the one of the highest in the EU.

We have chronic health waiting time issues and chronic housing shortage issues.

Both are directly attributed and influenced by the number if people accessing them. We couldn't build enough hospitals or houses to keep up with demand. Time to pull back on the reins

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161159#Comment_119161159

.....immigration is adding to the inferno, but it absolutely has not caused it!

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161039#Comment_119161039

Buying endless amounts of sh1t,brand new everything, top of the line stuff that kids will break or grow out of in no time. But then there's also some amount of forced unnecessary expenditure, like car seats for 10 or 12 year old, which weren't required by law 20 or 30 years ago and we all turned out fine.

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161167#Comment_119161167

Of course there are multiple causes but I believe it is one of the main if not the number one driver.

There is a push by business especially hospitality to allow much more access for non EU persons to come here.

More hap payments, more low paid jobs, more pressure on education and health care capacities .

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161273#Comment_119161273

again, nope, its not causing it, just adding to it, we clearly made an absolute fcuk of our most critical markets, i.e. property, health care, labour etc etc, long before many of those folks turned up, its an us problem, not a them problem!

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161351#Comment_119161351

So our enormous levels of immigration are not a massive factor in the **** show that is our property market, eh?

What's really screwed us is that the open borders mania was promulgated by the both the right and left for their own idealogical reasons.

What we learned in the my liftime is that Socialisms economic theories were bunkum. What we're learning now is that it's social theories are just as bad. But we still have people waving that beaten docket around.

Tonesjones

There isn't a country on the Planet that builds houses just to have them ready for migrants who land there. Houses are built to meet a demand. Every countries construction industry has capacities. The level of immigration into Ireland far exceedes the capacity of the building industry to keep up with the demand. Also low paid immigrants accessing hap and other supports further dilutes the availability for citizens .

There are too many pulling out of a pot that is too small. Be it housing, healthcare, education or general infrastructure

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161399#Comment_119161399

nope, again, they are adding to the inferno, but have had virtually nothing to do with its causes!

again, our property markets were long fcuked before many of them turned up, again, we financialised our property markets, and now theyre completely fcuked, thats actually an us problem, not a them problem!

again, you find the relative free movement of capital(yup, thats that financialised thingy again!), has caused far more harm to us than the relative free movement of people

what socialism economic theories would they be, and for that matter, what social theories also?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161401#Comment_119161401

once again, this financialisation of our economies truly has done a number on us, and when it goes t1ts up, we generally blame the usual scapegoats, i.e. welfare classes and the foreigners, but tis never the fault of.....!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161351#Comment_119161351

He did say driver not the cause of it... Something else, whatever that might be kicked all of this off, but it's continuing due to a variety of drivers which may not have been present previously.

Now, personally, I'd blame the short term/limited thinking that comes with democratic politics, in that governments only really care about their own terms, and don't really care that much what happens when they pass control over to another party, except as opposition. It's not the cause, it's not the only driver, but I would consider it to be an important factor for what's been happening economically and socially. And I agree we did it ourselves, but the demands that comes from mass immigration (as opposed to limited skilled/educated immigration) adds significantly to the demands on our resources, due in part because of our own politicians, but also, the migrants themselves.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161436#Comment_119161436

...and again, yes, immigration is adding to the inferno, but has not caused it!

...or maybe its the short term thinking of financialisation!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119161442#Comment_119161442

Agreed.