Pride Month

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208739#Comment_119208739

So they are saying the gaa are not inclusive?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208942#Comment_119208942

100%.

Maybe I'm simple. Whether rugby, hurling...whatever sports or activity. Does it matter? If you're a dick you're a dick. Sound out, join us.

Nothing is inclusive if cis white men are the majority.

**** patriarchal bastards

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208988#Comment_119208988

Are you questioning their parentage!?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208965#Comment_119208965

What legal trans right is missing?

When it was the gay rights issues; we had marriage, and so on. Legitimate debates.

But what trans rights are missing from our current legislation?

buried

On the crime thing, this notion that everyone and anyone is going to conform to any sort of ideal, however harmless, is absolutely ludicrous. It is not going to happen, never has, never will. The world is filled with all manner of absolute shower of confrontational trash that have zero interest in letting anybody live their lives however way they want. This trash will actively seek confrontation, hastle and even violence on anybody if they choose to. When I get down to Dublin I like to walk around Dublin city at night alone, I find it a ethereal experience of sorts, but I am always aware I could be literally two seconds away from some make of confrontation or violence. Lets say some night I run into a few violent anti-social types and they ask me what am I doing and I tell them I like walking around Dublin city because I find it an ethereal experience, I'd be flittered and probably slashed in the face quicker than anybody else. You cant educate everybody to conform or even understand what your own thing is because basically in this individualistic world, nobody cares. They only care about their own situation, turf or standing, especially the ones whose basic social standing is predicated on showcasing various forms of confrontation and violence. This is basic $hit. You have to prepare for the inevitable that you, anybody, could run into one of these people. Not demand that they need to be 'educated' or some other sort of nonsense in order to 'conform'. They are not going to, never will. The system wants them just as they are, so anybody thinking state sponsored 'education' is going to sort them out is going to be existing in a world of disappointment until they cop themselves on.

That's hyperbolic nonsense. Anyone who lives in Dublin just says "Howya lads" and keeps on walking.

Liberty_Bear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208004#Comment_119208004

We dont need the attention though, we need full clean acceptance of who we are. Its nigh high impossible (as your good self should know eskimo) that its virtually impossible to measure what percentage of the attention we get. Take the Boards.ie AH or CA forums, the very minute something trans comes up there is attention reigned upon it by people deriding trans swimmers or toilets or whatever that particular topic du jour is. The media cover it with what ever element that they want. As you said , if 95% of the community is hetro then there is a good reason to have Pride. Any equal argument you make could be applied to Paddys Day, should we ban that and tell the Americans not to promote is as its reifnrocing the drunk stereotypes of Irish people and most Americans are not of Irish descent?

archfi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208704#Comment_119208704

'When Trans people are being unfairly targeted by organised (and well funded) groups.'

Are these Irish and/or British groups and who funds them?

I know of no Irish based gender identity critical groups that receive a penny from Govt so who would be well funding them and what does the 'targetting' entail?

Any pointers gladly received.

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209043#Comment_119209043

You're getting mixed up with the courts where they just say "Howya lads, seeya lads, keep on walking the streets lads"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209099#Comment_119209099

Nope, I'm just someone who lives in a sh*thole part of Dublin and who doesn't get flittered every day. Anyway, probably off topic. Enjoy your ethereal walks. Take the tip.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209004#Comment_119209004

Eskimo were you a bar of soap in a previous life or something? 😁 You’re well aware that you’re making slippery arguments because of the way you’re suggesting ‘current legislation’.

You know well that the current furore is coming off the back of the proposed changes to current Irish legislation in relation to maternity leave in employment, precisely because it doesn’t take account of the equal rights of people who are transgender in relation to maternity leave in employment.

There are plenty more areas in society where people are denied their civil, political, social and human rights on the basis that they are transgender. The issues faced by people who are transgender aren’t just limited to your narrow perspective. They face discrimination in healthcare, education, housing, and employment, on the basis that they are transgender, and there are people who argue that they should continue to be denied fair treatment, unless they conform to those peoples standards and pretend they’re not transgender.

It’s no different than, and I’m sure you’re aware of it, people who argued that people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender already had the right to enter into marriage under the same conditions in Irish law as everyone else. They were, like you, pretending that they didn’t understand the point of marriage equality.

They were, like you, pretending that they were fine with gay people who wanted to get married, as long as they don’t have children. They were, like you, fine with people who are transgender living their lives however they wanted, as long as they don’t get ideas about having children or starting a family or working in the same job or competing in the same sports or living in the same neighbourhood or even the most mundane shìte as shopping for their weekly groceries in the same shops as everyone else -

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/11/20/tesco-launches-inquiry-into-employees-posting-online-photos-and-videos-abusing-trans-customers/

They are, like you, fine with people who are transgender living their lives however they want, as long as they live their lives according to how that person thinks anyone should live their lives - “you don’t get to enjoy the same freedoms as me, because you having the same freedom as me means we’re equals, and I don’t want you getting ideas above your station”.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208704#Comment_119208704

There is no doubt that gay people can have been attached/assaulted for who they are. I object to you saying that gay people are 'regularly' attacked.

I'm never been attacked for being gay (or do I know anyone who has), but been a victim of harassment always in a some city which had nothing to so with my gayness. I'm far more concerned about walking around some areas of Dublin for example that I'm ever 'living in fear' (as GCN put it) about being a victim of a phobic attack.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205554#Comment_119205554

Why? If it wasn’t for Herero men and women, humankind would have petered out hundreds of years ago. Keeping the human race going is something to be proud of. No?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119200014#Comment_119200014

I've always felt that corporate pride stuff is an absolute joke. Where was that support years ago when it was really needed? It's easy to virtue signal when there's no down side to doing so, plus they'll never engage in promoting LGBTQ rights in places they operate that are not open to it.

The middle paragraph had an almost conspiratorial whiff to it, the Queens money and her child abusing son, the type of stuff that gets people banned off of YouTube.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208875#Comment_119208875

I can speak from my experience as a straight guy with the Gardai when I was the victim of an attack. It was fcuking shocking.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119201080#Comment_119201080

I was thinking the same thing.

Have this son, you've earned it...

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209196#Comment_119209196

I don’t think heterosexuals can exclusively lay claim to that achievement Fandymo 😂

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209212#Comment_119209212

Can a gay couple conceive and have a baby?

A lesbian couple?

I believe you need one to insert the semen and one to carry the baby, something not possible in same sex relations.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208493#Comment_119208493

No, it isn't. Which is why you changed the scenario back to what the other poster said, as opposed to dealing with what I wrote.

Honestly your personal abhorrence of LBGTQ people is disturbing that you seek to stereotype them all as aggressive and provocative.

Honestly, I find your insistence on making personal remarks and judgements of those who disagree with you to be disturbing. You have nothing to base that on.

As usual. You do this a lot.

I have not made one insulting remark LGBQ people in this thread. I don't agree with a lot of what goes on within the LGBQT community, but as a member of that community, being bisexual, I think I have a right to frame such criticisms or observations.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209215#Comment_119209215

Well that one went right over your head! Your point was that if it weren’t for heterosexuals the human race would have petered out hundreds of years ago, and keeping the human race going is something to be proud of.

You’re overlooking the fact that sexual orientation and sexual reproduction are concepts that are not related to each other in any way, ie - plenty of people throughout humans history who were gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, have propagated the human race by means of sexual reproduction. You’re also overlooking the fact that throughout human history, people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender have raised children. You’re also overlooking the fact that throughout human history, people have adopted children into their families and fostered children who became part of their families.

And that’s all before the invention of assisted human reproduction which assisted people having difficulties with reproduction to enable them to conceive and bear children, which brought us to the point we’re at today where Irish law is being changed to recognise the fact that people who are transgender who become pregnant, have an equal entitlement to protection in terms of their rights to maternity leave in Irish employment law, and they can have children by means of sexual reproduction, regardless of their sexual orientation.

Buzzkill, I know 😖

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208699#Comment_119208699

No. I didn't say that. I said that it shouldn't matter in the slightest if a couple kissing is straight, gay, or bisexual. It doesn't bloody matter, unless you're going looking to be offended.

Jesus. Really wish people would read the actual posts as opposed to simply agreeing with those who disagreed later.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208768#Comment_119208768

Literally. Then you can pull a direct quote of me stating that. Yes? Not your reading between the lines, or what seems to be the case. A direct quote.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208770#Comment_119208770

Tbf, we had literally hundreds of years of oppression for various minorities. A few years of them fighting for equality shouldn't make the majority feel so threatened.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209052#Comment_119209052

There are plenty of groups I am sure you know that.

Some of which are "charities" and have received funding in the UK at least. A lot of the other money is coming from the usual groups in the UK/USA.

LGB alliance (which has a direct irish offshot)

The countess.

Radicailin

Irish women's lobby

Women's space ireland

And Ireland's old favourite the Iona institute.

All the while Irish media outlets platform people like David Quinn,but they are being "silenced"...

archfi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209408#Comment_119209408

I believe LGB Ireland is virtually defunct/not active. LGB Alliance was founded in the UK by ex-Stonewallers and has recently achieved charity status, now under attack by Stonewall+ (hearing in Sept this year)

The other Irish groups are women's groups exc Iona Institute

Are these women's groups 'well funded' from the UK and the US? I know it can be difficult sometimes to get accurate and truthful financial accounts, I mean TENI (who directed Dublin Pride's response in the Liveline debacle) haven't provided any accounts for 3 years despite the few million they got from our Govt., for example.

I believe the majority of people in Ireland expect differing views and the expressions of same to be facilitated by the media including our national broadcaster subject to the usual caveat of not promoting violence. Hopefully, that's not changed by any 'hate' legislation we're getting.

Thanks for the answer.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209243#Comment_119209243

Hardly buzzkill. You know I’m right. If heterosexuals weren’t reproducing, the human race would not exist.

Gay men using women as beards and having kids with them still needed a heterosexual woman to bear their child.

Im proud that people of my orientation are responsible for the onward march of the human race. That’s hardly a crime?

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119201385#Comment_119201385

Your ether principeled or not...

By flying the pride flag in the West they are hoping a beef up their social imagine leading to more money...

You either believe in the whole pride thing or now, you can't go picking a choosing when to support when it suits in search of profits...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209128#Comment_119209128

That's not the question, though. I'm not saying society's attitudes are perfect.

What I'm saying is that can you name a human right that trans people do not enjoy in this country?

To take the gay parallel, gay people were denied the right to marry. And we fixed it.

So I'm still waiting to hear what human rights trans people do not enjoy in this country. If you are aware of them, let me know - as I'd be more than happy to accommodate that.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209974#Comment_119209974

Corporations are principled but the sole principle is profit. If one wants to impress, show me where they tell the Saudi government or any other grubby little theocratic oligarchy that their diversity policy in their content, products or services stands regardless of sanctions or bans.

One of my favourite games, Hearts of Iron IV is and remains banned in China for its accurate depiction of China in World War 2. The devs could have caved but they didn't though I don't know how big the market in China is for map painting Swedish strategy games.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119210412#Comment_119210412

I don't think grand strategy of the wargame variety really gets much attention in China (except for Romance of the three kingdoms variety). At least, I've never seen much of anything, like Grigsby or Paradox, on the internet cafes shared game servers which usually have a wide range of pirated games.

Oh, and HOI3 is superior to HOI4 in every way. haha. I like HOI4 but they've gone the way of arcade strategy rather than proper wargame strategy with it.

Back on topic, Companies tend to bend over backwards to accommodate the interests of the CCP.. Hollywood is perfect example of it. Profit comes first. Which is understandable in a way, considering the costs involved in such productions and the kind of market that China represents. However, I do think companies should stand by their public statements rather than the PR games they tend to apply.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211114#Comment_119211114

I'd say there's plenty of piracy. There always is in these situations.

But yeah, Hollywood will bend over backwards. The Chinese version of Iron Man 3 has 45 minutes of nonsense where the Chinese invent some heart implant or something.

HOI3 is unplayable though I do take your point about HOI4. I once conquered the developed world as Lithuania:

A bit absurd I think.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211165#Comment_119211165

😂👍️

homer911

I agree with the "overload" comments, and no, its not possible to avoid. My employer is one of those that flys flags, organises pride events and puts pride graphics on the end of my emails. No thanks.

And then my damn bank insists on changing their mobile app logo - I have to remove it from my home screen!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208875#Comment_119208875

That sucks and I hope you were alright afterwards because even a "light" assault can really **** stuff up. In my teens I twice tried to report assaults on me to the Gardai and they said there was no-one available to take a statement several times. My best mate was jumped in the middle of town and left in hospital. Gardai claimed there was no CCTV when there were 2 on-street cameras and at least 5 businesses with a direct view, and 3 witnesses that we knew of. One silly Garda let slip "Yeah we know who it was, we were watching most of the night". Never an arrest made and the same crew killed someone in an unprovoked street attack within a couple of months. Maybe rape now is an exception because of the attention over the last while but every experience I've had with the Gardai has felt like the only thing they were interested in was minimising how much work they would have to do. So it used to be they dismissed rape victims and the like, can't quite get away with that any more. But for assaults, car crashes, intimidation, the first thing they try to do is minimise and usually leave you feeling like an idiot for trying to get them to take action. Another silly example recently for me was getting hit by some prick who drove off. Being the good citizen I am I reported it to the insurance company but the damage was not much more than my excess so along with losing my No Claims Bonus it didn't make sense to claim. Insurance company tell me I have to report it to the Gardai and get an incident number. Into the Garda station and after an hour waiting got "But sure why are you reporting it if you're not claiming?". Explained what happened 4 times before I just turned and walked out rather than lose my temper. I've said this in a number of threads and on a number of subjects and I really think the world could function a lot better if everyone accepts that the vast, vast majority of people care about their job rather than their work. They seek to protect themselves and to minimise their own effort. When you look at things through that prism our law enforcement (Gardai, courts, probation), health services and social services and their effectiveness and value for money make a lot more sense.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119199996#Comment_119199996

How are straight people compelled to support it more than they already do? I was aware that it's pride month bit nobody has suggested I do anything at all about it.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211390#Comment_119211390

Please read the thread. It depends on each individuals circumstances. But the classic case which affects many people (gay or straight who are disinterested or wish Pride well but not interested in participating) is an employer who's embraced Woke Capitalism, and wants to get maximum exposure from Pride Month.

Its becoming like not going to the company BBQ and other events, and getting the reputation for Wrongthink and not being a "team player".

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211603#Comment_119211603

The thread is 7 pages. I'm not reading the thread back.

The example you provided is someone taking advantage of Pride months for capitalist purposes. I asked about your original claim that straight people are being compelled to support Pride Month more than they want to. The vast majority of businesses I see have absolutely no signs of pride month.

Is it just businesses you think are being compelled to do something they don't want to do or does it affect people too?

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211746#Comment_119211746

I only know this from speaking with people. If you look at all the major multinationals in Ireland, particularly those with a US "west coast" presence, most of them will have Pride Month participation. Given the furore over the Liveline discussion, there's a bit of a chilling effect on saying anything publicly, so you'd probably have to have private chats with people to gauge their feelings towards coporate Pride.

I don't believe businesses are being compelled to do things they don't want to. Rather, they now see an event they would have run away from 20+ years ago, as a great Marketing event.

gameoverdude

I just don't understand the need for a pride month, especially in Ireland.

I really don't understand or maybe I'm just thick. I couldn't give a flying feck what genitalia you'd like to get intimate with. Knock yourself out!

Just don't annoy me about it. It's almost religious. Two men, two women, man and woman on the street having a mooch, again feck it. (Dont particularly want to see it)

The world needs more love.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212039#Comment_119212039

OK. But eere miles off an example of the claim thst I asked about to begin with. The claim was that heterosexual people are bombarded with the forceful message thst they "must" be more supportive of pride month then they want to be. I've asked a few times for examples of this in practice and it doesn't seem to go beyond businesses taking advantage of Pride month for branding purposes.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212329#Comment_119212329

Pretty much. I've got a new lanyard on my desk when I'm arsed to go into the office. Won't be using it.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211270#Comment_119211270

Why do you remove it?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212366#Comment_119212366

Why not? I don't care what they do personally, but I find it dishonest (company wide).

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212378#Comment_119212378

You've cracked the dirty little.secret of the marketing industry, and you take it out on a pride banner ad?

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212378#Comment_119212378

You remove the app too?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212410#Comment_119212410

Huh?

I was just saying they're my colleagues. I couldn't give a feck what they're sexualiity, marital status, religion...is. why does it matter?

Ireland is an equal opportunity place. Again, why does this matter?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212441#Comment_119212441

Not sure what app you're talking about.

I kinda like the colours of pride.

But I also see it as pointless at this stage.

Your problem, own it.

Pisses me off. Race, colour or creed. Guess what, I couldn't give a flying feck!

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212487#Comment_119212487

Ah you must of replied to me by mistake earlier.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212088#Comment_119212088

I just don't understand the need for a pride month, especially in Ireland.

Why "especially in Ireland"? It's not that long ago that bigotry/contempt/violence against homosexuals was commonplace in Ireland.

The need for Pride comes down to reinforcement of social change, and the chance for homosexuals to glorify in the realisation that they no longer need to hide their sexuality. Pretty simple really. Although I agree that a Pride month is a bit much. The Pride march should be enough.

Give it another few decades and then, I'll agree with you (and others) that it's served its purpose and should be allowed to disappear... but for now, it does some good for both the younger and older generations of homosexuals.

Just don't annoy me about it. It's almost religious. Two men, two women, man and woman on the street having a mooch, again feck it. (Dont particularly want to see it)

Ahh but whatever is annoying you isn't coming from the gay community.. it's coming from the government. council or businesses who feel the need to virtue signal. You see anyone kissing in the street, you can ignore it, regardless of what genders are involved. It's not being pushed in your face, and you're not being forced to look at it.

There are gay people who will aggressively push their behaviour into your personal space, which is something I don't like.. but it's relatively rare for it to happen.

The world needs more love.

I'd say the world needs more patience.