I think justice was served here.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208871#Comment_119208871

Is that some sort of an endorsement for a 16 year old?

If the actual CCTV was released I'd say all this blather would dry up right sharp. sunlight being a great disinfectant

L.Ball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208371#Comment_119208371

You use the word "amenities" probably because you and I and everyone here know that the usual word "no facilities" is a bad joke that has been bandied around since we were kids ourselves.There's everything available to kids in dublin, literally outside their reach, these kids want to drink, do drugs and rally bikes and stolen cars, so unless we legalize underage drinking, drug taking and set up rally tracks for cars and bikes they're never going to be happy.

You only have to see the family and friends eulogizing the "little angle" on social media to know that they are raised in a mindset that bad is fun, bad is good, until you get caught or meet resistance, then it is everyone and anyone else's fault, it's the same every time one of these dirtbags kills themselves on a scrambler or gets a smack from an exasperated Gardai. These kids are write-offs, bring in 3 strike rule and the prison industrial complex, and give law abiding society a 20 year break from this trash.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208900#Comment_119208900

He admitted to stabbing someone in while he and another person's were being seriously assaulted by another group. The DPP had access to CCTV of the incident. They choose to instigate murder rather than manslaughter charges which may have being more appropriate in the circumstances.

The prosecuting barrister made a number of allegations to uphold a murder charge for which his only back up was using stills from the CCTV.

'' that George Bento was acting a hard man''

'' that he had decided to give the bike thief a fright ''

''While the prosecution accepted that George and his friend were entitled to try to retrieve the stolen bike''

That

that you are not entitled to use something to defend yourself if the aggressor is striking you with a fist

That you must instantly decide if they are breaking off the attack and break off yours as well

That Josh was entitled to strike George with his fists to defend his friend even though it was the youths that started the attack

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208711#Comment_119208711

How about just prison. Feck this community service bullshit. We need a US style supermax prison , huge justice system reform and enough of treating scum like they are some sort of victims themselves. We can go on about the areas they came from, their upbringing etc but scum will be scum.

I grew up in D8 in the 90s which was one of the worst places to grow up as a teenager with heroin rampant,assaults every single day and there were times when I couldnt leave they house for fear of being robbed or mugged but you know what- I didnt go around causing trouble - I managed to not get involved in teh scumbag behaviour that some of my associates got involved with.

This whole bad area, bad upbringing, no facilities etc - Its just an excuse for scum being scum.

Justice system needs to start coming down on these scumbag teenagers who seem to think they are in a gangster movie. Only recently there was a series of random attacks out here by scum travelling on the trains just to assault people. Those attacks were a gang of black teenagers who randomly hit people in a park with hammers - the same group who were doing the same in another suburb if rumors are correct.

Three strikes rule and youre out - any law that you break that carries a sentence over 12 months - break it 3 times and you go away for 20 years. Do away with the concurrent sentencing crap aswell. Consecutive sentencing only. Mandatory minimum sentencing for certain crimes - take the control out of the lenient judges hands - if theres a mandatory minimum sentence it should be handed out.

Allow people to defend their person and property without the fear of a court case. Id even go as far as allowing certain personal protection devices to carried - stun guns,tasers, pepper spray etc.

Otherwise we`re in for another couple of decades of hell once these teens get older and involved in more serious crimes.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209065#Comment_119209065

And the DPP interpreted the evidence that it had and put forward its case, which was rejected.

This trial allowed all of the facts to be put out into the public sphere through the Central Criminal Court. If there was no trial then we would be none the wiser as to what the facts of that night were. You very rarely find anyone is charged with manslaughter. It's nearly always murder, and the DPP may accept a guilty of manslaughter plea and the jury will, in cases like this, be given the option of returning a verdict of not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter.

If someone was charged with manslaughter and not murder, then it would open up the DPP to scrutiny as to why this was the case and what were they hiding etc. By charging him with murder, and him being acquitted of both murder and manslaughter, nobody can say the DPP wasn't putting its case forward and the defendant was given every opportunity to answer the case.

Again, it's proof of a functioning justice system. If you just decide not to charge someone with murder because 'it might not be' then there is no point in having a judge or jury to decide this. It's the jury that is provided with the evidence and given the decision to make, not the DPP.

Also, unless overwhelming new evidence comes to light, Bento can not be charged with murder here again. This would not be the case if his initial charge was manslaughter.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208871#Comment_119208871

Are people still pretending he was just in the area, miles from home, late at night and just happened to come across his friends robbing delivery drivers.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209178#Comment_119209178

The guy robbing the delivery driver wasn't a friend of theirs. He beckoned them over for help and duped them into thinking that he was the victim of an attack from the two deliveroo riders.

Both the prosecution and the defence acknowledged this in their closing speeches, so why are you making up that that this guy was a friend of theirs?

JimmyCorkhill

If they charged him with murder, can they then find him guilty of manslaughter if they don't find him guilty of murder? Or is it just one or the other someone can be prosecuted with?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209171#Comment_119209171

He cannot be charged with murder in this case again we have signed article 50 of the EU charter and we have not put forward any legislation to override double jeopardy

The po art as bout a functioning justice system is an excuse. What evidence did the DPP Interprete, they made a decision to prosecute and then tried to make up evidence to support that theory.

The only piece of hard evidence they had was that he was in possession of a knife. Other than that they depended on single frame Interpretation of the CCTV and making assumptions that he was acting the hard man and he should have allowed both him and his friend take a punishment beating.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209230#Comment_119209230

Saying the DPP 'made up' evidence is quite an accusation to make there. You should report that because that completely throws our justice system into complete chaos.

You've asked what evidence did the DPP have to interpret and then answered your own question in the next paragraph. And that's only what you read about. It was a six week trial and what you read in the papers is only a snippet of the actual evidence presented to the jury.

A man admitted to stabbing someone to death. If you think there should never have been a case in the first place then imagine the reactions if there wasn't one. There was a case to answer, and the jury acquitted the man.

Literally the definition of justice being served. I really fail to understand what issue you have with all of this. Should the DPP only bring cases that they're 100 percent sure they're going to win? If this is the case, what's the point in having a jury? Should we just throw out the right to a fair trial? If the DPP didn't bring this case then you can guarantee there would have been a lot of things said about this man when he never got the chance to defend himself in public. The DPP brought this, he defended himself and he was acquitted.

rogerywalters

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208705#Comment_119208705

Absolute horeshit to say josh dunne deserved to die. We simply do not in anyway know enough to draw to that diagustingly extreme conclusion.

rogerywalters

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208777#Comment_119208777

How do you know he was a little scrote? Genuine question.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119206018#Comment_119206018

Did he? Reports say that his fiancee booked the tickets, but despite that he voluntarily handed himself in. He's not responsible for the actions of his fiancee.

The real reason is that Brazil doesn't extradite its citizens but he's not responsible for that policy either.

So, in Ireland we grant bail if you're Irish and especially if you're rich (like a barrister for instance, and we'll even let you swan off abroad on holiday). If you're not rich, maybe a bit brown and from a dodgy country then 15 months on remand before being found not guilty on trumped-up charges is grand.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208489#Comment_119208489

It really isn't, when you're down on the ground having a gang kick your head in. Try it sometime.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208900#Comment_119208900

Oh ffs. It should never have gone to a murder charge. Murder is as least as much about what happens before the events causing death as those events themselves.

Manslaughter is often the "safe" option chosen (gotta convict 'em of somethin', right?) but not only did the jury acquit him of this, they even acquitted him of assault too. I feel the latter is the jury sending out a strong message in this sort of case and not before time.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119206113#Comment_119206113

Yes, without a passport he can get that far. Then what? His biometrics would already be on a watchlist.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209322#Comment_119209322

Well you know more than the judge then. You were obviously in court to hear all of the evidence presented:

“Ruling on the defence's application to remove the count of murder, Mr Justice Burns ruled that the court would not usurp the function of the jury and that it seemed to him there was sufficient evidence to allow that count to go to the jury.”

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0614/1304853-bento-defence-application/

Simply put, there was a case to answer, as ruled by both the DPP and the judge, and the defence answered it sufficiently.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209348#Comment_119209348

This was before any evidence was presented in Court it was from the book of evidence presented. The Judge in his summing up indicated his unhappiness with the use of frame by frame analysis of the CCTV by the prosecution.

The prosecution had already indicated that George was completely entitled to try to retrieve the bike and not acting illegally doing so.

The prosecution was depending on trying to persuade the jury that George used excessive force, however the judge said there was no definitive concept or definition of excessive force it depended on the occasion and what was happening, and the pressure an individual was under at the time.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119207558#Comment_119207558

The narrative 18 months ago was that Josh Dunne had tried to be peacemaker.

However now we known his friends got involved in assaulting 2 men and when one defending himself and his friend (who suffered serious injury), Josh Dunne started throwing punches.

Read the reports on the court case. It's crystal clear

spurious

What a pity the local guards didn't act on the numerous reports they had from locals of these bicycle/scooter gangs in the previous months, maybe it would never have happened.

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209452#Comment_119209452

And herein lies the real problem. Our inability, enthusiasm and commitment to deal with violent troublemakers.

I mean, we’re not a huge area, population. Most people are good and decent. Can we not just fooking focus heavy and hard on violent scum? Come down on them really heavy all the time. Break them. It absolutely will make a difference.

We’ve all walked through our city and all have stories of barely ever seeing Gardai on the beat, even.

Burkie1203

I see Josh dunnes mother is trying to organise street protests.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209452#Comment_119209452

It's very hard on guards to try to act on incidents that happen. Our biggest issue is we have no visible Garda presence in our city centers. Gardai no longer visibly do foot patrols. Everything is intelligence lead. Often petty crime is overlooked because of the bigger picture

spurious

I taught in the area for years. There is not one of the bigger fish who did not start off robbing bikes/phones etc..

At the root of it all though is crap parenting.

'Where'd ya get that flash bike son?'

'I found it'

'Right so'.

LuckyLloyd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209461#Comment_119209461

To protest what?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209584#Comment_119209584

If Josh and his friends had managed to kill those men would she be protesting then.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209461#Comment_119209461

Of course she is. Get the tissues ready.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119207265#Comment_119207265

Critics of this verdict believe Josh Dunne and his friends didn’t attack the defendant. That is contradicted by the evidence of the other deliveroo rider and by the CCTV

Mr Quieroz testified that he was attacked by up to three people, had his teeth and nose broken and suffered an injury to his knee when he and Mr Bento tried to retrieve the bike.

He said Mr Bento had saved him from more injuries or death when the accused used a knife to defend him from the gang of youths.Mr Quieroz said that when the youths started to approach, he heard Mr Bento, who had a knife, say “stay away” about three times.

He said the accused had produced the knife at the same time as “they were coming to assault us”. He didn’t see the defendant use the knife as three people were hitting him and blood was pouring down his face. "At the moment I was being hit I was afraid of dying,” he told the jury.

He said that, having viewed CCTV footage of the incident, he now knew that Mr Bento twice came to save him, once when the witness had his back up against a wall and was being punched and a second time when he was "dragged" to the road and punched.

Mr Quieroz told the jury that he was scared to leave his house after the "traumatic" incident and had to stay at home for at least 20 days.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209426#Comment_119209426

Did you even read the article?

There was legal argument where the defence put forward its case to have the murder charge thrown out, and the judge believed there was a case to answer.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119209307#Comment_119209307

A rich barrister was recently refused bail here. It was in all the papers.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/murder-accused-barrister-refused-bail-1277223.html