56% of South Dublin Social housing in arrears

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212005#Comment_119212005

Well we're back to law v reality again. I know a bunch of people who were done for over-claiming. The majority paid nothing back and no-one else is paying more than a tenner a week (one of them is going to take 274 years to pay back what they owe, good thing they're not being charged interest). While there's no "law" saying they can't do it, the protocols, customs and practices mean that in practice it's a drawn-out process if fought and will likely cost more in legal fees than what will be recovered. It's not "illegal" but it's highly discouraged by how the system is set up.

It's not just welfare or child support. Think many landlords get money they're owed paid back to them e.g.? They can "win" in court and hope to get a tenner a week ad infinitum in most cases.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211671#Comment_119211671

Trump, Johnson - what could possibly go wrong?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119211630#Comment_119211630

Any update on the businesses that set out to strategically defraud the council by defaulting on their rates?

Hard to understand why someone who defends parasitic council tenants would have a problem with parasitic businesses. Two sides of the same ar5e.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212989#Comment_119212989

One has political support for the pittance they refuse to pay, the other does not

maninasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205724#Comment_119205724

They are very fortunate living in very cheap gaffs for life.

saabsaab

The best solution to serious anti-social behaviour and I would class serious rent arrears as that is to move them out. Give to thoise on the housing list or sell. Why support such behaviour in the most expensive part of Ireland?

They can go back on housing list or take a less valuable property in the North of the county.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119215237#Comment_119215237

They will refuse the house in a less desirable place. Is it 3 house offers you can refuse due to location, size etc?

Bonkers in the middle of a so called housing crisis I know but that’s the system.

B.A._Baracus

This is nothing new sadly.

I know someone who had a job dealing with the clerical side of social housing. Said they all owed thousands. Wanna know the funny thing? I was told this over a decade ago. It has always happened and always will happen. It's so rampant that there is something wrong with you IF you do pay it.

B.A._Baracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119216535#Comment_119216535

Well sir, there's two things I have to say in response.

1, I already mentioned this before if you wanna have a quick nosy through my old posts.

2, God forbid someone posts a piece of information they got from a friend. I'm sorry. I should have posted about my "mate" who saw the african lady at the bus stop leaving the pram there because there was already a buggy on the bus - then she says "it's ok the welfare will give me another one" - I bet you believed whoppers like that.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119216500#Comment_119216500

Yes, the rent arrears are published in each local authority's AFS every year.

I will have a quick look at DCC 2014

Housing rents arrears = 20.3m at start of year

78% collection rate during the year (collection rate from travellers = 52%)

Note also that housing loans also have poor collection rates, in this case 58%.

MakersMark

It's called scrounging for a reason .

Toss them into emergency shelters and give proper homes to workers.

Reward work, niot bone idleness.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217075#Comment_119217075

Now now that would be the right thing to do but not on here.

Galwayguy35

Fags booze and tracksuits are expensive, can't expect the dole lifer scroungers to have to worry about silly things like rent.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119216500#Comment_119216500

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119216535#Comment_119216535

Always amazes me how far off their claims are the official published data.

Gant21

What’s amazeballs altogether is the denial

MakersMark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217154#Comment_119217154

But but....most vulnerable...but but disadvantaged...but but

YFlyer

Bet Ms Cash is the in arrears.

Jinglejangle69

The arrears will be hilarious when SF get in and build 500 million social houses for anyone who wants one.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217257#Comment_119217257

To house all the vagabonds.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217459#Comment_119217459

Yep.

B.A._Baracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217144#Comment_119217144

Hold on lads, AndrewJRenko has spoken. I'll call the evening herald, can someone ring the Sunday world?

Cause Andrew always has the answer. Even when nobody asked the question. Lol.

JimmyCorkhill

25% of all new houses in stamp duty filings in 2021 were bought for social housing needs.

Country is fcuked!! Treasure Ireland as it's known.

We reward dossers and hammer those working hard every day who cant afford to buy their own place and p1ssing their money away paying extorinate rents.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217805#Comment_119217805

Careful now we can’t be talking sense on here.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119217792#Comment_119217792

Just in case you missed it, the data on arrears shows that your claim that “they all owe thousands” is nonsense.

B.A._Baracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218191#Comment_119218191

They all - expression. Meaning so many. You telling me you've never used the expression to describe a majority of something? Eg, they are all the same. They are all like that.

Seriously? Is that your point? To split hairs to say someone is wrong? Have you been reduced to that much?

Oh sorry. I shouldn't have reduced. You'll probably take that as reduction in physical height or some ****. Lol.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119218229#Comment_119218229

What do you mean by “so many “ percentage wise?

Gant21

I’m on the dole I’m on my hole drinking pints of porter.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119212395#Comment_119212395

What do you really KNOW? You know a bunch of people you THINK are overpaid and you THINK they pay nothing back. I worked on the systems and people have over payment plans set up every day but you KNOW nothing about that. In practice it is very straight forward without any legal challenges at all. There are no legal fees involved and I never saw one case go to court but you claim there are so many restrictions this is why they don't claim the money back.

Private court cases from landlords is completely different and not related. There are lots of idiots about claiming the fact they see 2 people "getting away" with state fraud means you know the entire system. It is just talk like the buggie being left at the bus stop because they will get another free one. It is BS and stems from resentments and hatred. You don't know reality versus the law and KNOW nothing of the practices because you never worked on it. You THINK you do but reality versus your thoughts will have reality win every time.

gerogerigegege

low wage cheap labour coming into the country for years. what do you expect?

John_caffrey

There is work many of it is hand labour and to support working families with varying tasks. But a lot of people don't want to work. When I work from home, I hear my neighbor opening a beer every time at 1 pm and then 3 pm outside while smoking. He was a builder but lives on welfare now taking a long break. Next to me is also a single mum with a fully paid house by the council, she never worked in years, enjoying a cozy life watching Netflix and taking it easy with two children. Meanwhile many of the mums in my family been waking up at 4 am and 5 am for years going to work, and all have young children. That mum on welfare lately been getting fashionable hair styles, new piercings, new clothes, into a new look, all thanks to my tax money.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119223560#Comment_119223560

Well, you don't expect a huge labour shortage. My missus got talking to her friendly manager in Dunnes yesterday. He gave her a couple of €10 off €50 vouchers, and told her that if any of the teenagers wanted a job, he'd be very happy to see them. They were advertising jobs in store over the intercom also.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119224306#Comment_119224306

We have found the 7%.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119224306#Comment_119224306

While you think that single mother is doing great it is short lived and short sighted. So a single mother with one child gets about the equivalent of €36k when all benefits are added up. Probably more for some depending on the housing the have provided. Some of these benefits aren't transferable like medical cards and the value is dependent on use. When their child grows up they will lose payments like children's benefits etc... When the children move out and even if they don't she will be surviving on a low income. Her job prospects will most likely be minimum wage jobs. That is going to be a miserable existence and I have seen many single parents living like this when their children move out. I would not be annoyed or envious of her position and be more worried about how her kids will function and if they end up like her.

The builder neighbour most likely has permanent physical injuries as most do by 50. If he has to keep working till 67 he will be a wreck.

There are lots of hidden costs to society and the alternative solutions are worse. Many of the long term unemployed are actually unable to work in reality. A friend worked with the long term unemployed to get them into the work force. She gave it up as she said it was pointless, none of them could work with others and many had explosive and physical arguments in their jobs. None lasted in a job. They are damaged people and some of that damage was failure by the state when they were younger.

No solution will keep people happy

John_caffrey

Thanks for the comments but there are people working extremely hard, on anti-depressants, hate their jobs but keep walking into their job year after year. Middle class get no help if one parent loses their job you get a benefit for a few months without any extra child pay, housing support or anything. They will say talk to your bank about your mortgage etc. But if you have nothing, you get help for everything. It is unfair that a person hasn't worked in years and doesn't even try to do anything, is just happy taking it easy. Also the neighbor has no injuries. Yes some have genuine reasons. But him and others don't try hard. People who want to work hard have burn out too because of short staffing and all. This thing should be taken seriously. We are putting double pressure on those working hard and living on minimum wages.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119226634#Comment_119226634

If you become unemployed you are entitled to unemployment benefit once you have a work history for the previous 2 years and it lasts for 9 months. Why would being middle class and married prevent this? They may not be entitled unemployment assistance as it is means tested.

So your neigbour is most likely entitled to his payments. Not sure how you KNOW your neighbour has no injuries as people don't tend to mention joint and back injuries to everyone. Most people who do physical work have such injuries and builders all have some form of injury. Broke my finger about 4 years ago but not a huge deal to me in my office job. When I do DIY i know all about the limited motion

It really isn't a big deal and there is no way people on state benefits are raking in money legally. There are certainly those working and claiming the dole but they are criminal offenses. Given how low the income is that is not a surprise but it isn't that prevalent as it once was as business are not as open to paying cash as they did in the past. If you were in a dole office in the 80s you would see the guys pull up in their work van and go sign in. Minor issue now and people will abuse the system but it is better than work houses

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119226457#Comment_119226457

"There are lots of hidden costs to society and the alternative solutions are worse. Many of the long term unemployed are actually unable to work in reality. A friend worked with the long term unemployed to get them into the work force. She gave it up as she said it was pointless, none of them could work with others and many had explosive and physical arguments in their jobs. None lasted in a job. They are damaged people and some of that damage was failure by the state when they were younger."

I fully accept this, but if these people are unable to work, and I accept that, then they should not be on JSA.

Some other welfare payment, yes, but not JSA.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119228073#Comment_119228073

It comes down to some choices. It costs X to provide payments for people with the existing system or you can pay for a much more accurate system pay X +y where y is the extra admin costs. You can break down the y cost more or add to them depending on how much you want to consider such as maintenance on the new system or spreading out the initial development. Either way it will cost more.

Somebody makes that decision and people will always complain. Have you ever had to administrate a complex system?

Geuze

Move them to SWA if not looking for work? Fairly simple?

Or DA if they are genuinely disabled.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119228949#Comment_119228949

You seem to completely miss the point that has a cost associated with it. Who is going to inspect all these people, how much will it cost, etc?

Will the public be happy with people being designated unable to work without a diagnosis? Think about it in real terms and you will see what seems like a simple solution is way more complex than just moving a claim.

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119224327#Comment_119224327

The problem is most young people don't want the hassle of working

I worked in a chicken processing factory when i was 17 to get some money together. Even then my mother wouldn't allow me spend it.

Every job, and I mean every job since is compared to that one

Strumms

“SDCC is currently owed €9.16m from social housing tenants, according to the council’s June finance report”

SDCC is responsible for a hell of a lot more then just housing so… a shortfall of that amount is massive. Other citizens suffer.

The rents are calculated at 10pc of weekly household incomes, with an average rent of €55 per week.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233205#Comment_119233205

Business rates arrears are typically double the rent arrears. Other citizens suffer.

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timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233655#Comment_119233655

Rates arrears are declining year on year, rents arrears are increasing.

Also commercial rates and council rents cannot be compared like for like because they arent like for like. A social house rent you are supposed to pay for the privilege of having a roof over your head provided by the LA, commercial rates are paid ontop of commercial rents and everything else. Rates are just an extra tax levied on businesses, it is not a rent and cannot be compared as such.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233701#Comment_119233701

How did you work out that rates arrears are declining?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119233655#Comment_119233655

yes but the thread is about social housing being in arrears. Whataboutism really.

rents are minuscule…