FEC committee & final report - **UPDATE post 442**

freddieot

Agreed, but of vourse pro-gun is a potentially devisive term. Even within the firearms community here there are different views on correct gun control rules etc.

I know what you mean but it's a term that mainstream media loves to use for effect.

I'd suggest we describe ourselves more accurately. The organizations names more correctly define it . No politician will get elected in many areas, especially urban areas, if they are openly pro-gun, but dedicated to discussing improving and unscrewing the current situation through constructive dialogue is a different thing.

jb88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712690#Comment_120712690

This isnt America, "Pro Gun". Thats not the firearms type of sports we have here. Its completely different. Politicians and people in Ireland in General need to understand that having a licence for a firearm is not a right, and any Irish Politician or shooter who uses that phrase "Pro Gun", isnt clued in

Ireland needs to wake up. We are Irish with totally different strict requirements for firearms ownership. Heavily vetted and extremely difficult to be allowed to have a firearm.

I Blame FFFG press offices for feeding this rubbish into RTE and the newspapers, scare the sheeple is all it does. But 30 years of it and what do you expect.

Outside of Farming, Coilte and a few other specialist uses, all requiring a licence. Hunting and Target shooting are the overwhelming uses in accordance with our laws.

jb88

I laugh at the video extract in which an Independent TD from Wexford asked the Taoiseach about the Misellaneous Provisions Bill and he just referred it back to James Browne.

Your Taoiseach knows every single detail about whats been going on here, he has been getting updates on this since before Christmas.

He conveniently kicked it back to Browne, well if that isnt Irish Politics, not my party , not my problem then thats a useless government we have, just because its a FF issue and there is a bad smell around it, he passed the buck.

More than a few heads should role here, what a waste of a government we have, utterly useless and serves no public good.

Grizzly 45

In ref to above.

.https://videoparliament.ie/movies/Verona%20Murphy-14-06-23qp.mp4?fbclid=IwAR0Cel0WqViy7l9qitxSWxBaMAkEXUaRSBsRzSRLy8lQ5ikGJ-C7qNCCBUU

This isnt America, "Pro Gun". Thats not the firearms type of sports we have here. Its completely different. Politicians and people in Ireland in General need to understand that having a licence for a firearm is not a right, and any Irish Politician or shooter who uses that phrase "Pro Gun", isnt clued in

Sooo,what would you all like to call yourselves thats catchy and is immediately recognised by anyone?Seeing that we still have a collective problem with calling ourselves "gunowners"1st and our respective disiplines a long second.Referring to ourselves as "sportsmen" isnt fooling anyone andis just laughed at by the,antis and media.Maybe its time we came out of the closet and stop pussyfooting about with trying to think up silly PC names so we dont offend and frighten the sheeple.We are gunowners simple as and proud of the fact.

freddieot

Exactly as you say 'gun owners'. No issue with that description at all. However, I can telll you linking us to terms like pro-gun will not end up being helpful. The implied negativity from all that goes on in the States just feeds the anti gunners here.

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714691#Comment_120714691

To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the term gunowner. If someone plays hurling are they described as a hurley owner? I play target shooting, yes therefore I own guns and therefore I am a gun owner but to coin it as a term, dunno seems to carry more weight than it should.

They Call Me Trinity

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120716151#Comment_120716151

That's because everyone in Ireland has been conditioned to think of guns as being bad.

Where else in the world would you have a shooting forum where gun owning commenters think mentioning owning guns is a negative thing.

otmmyboy2

Bottom line the only thing that hunters, target shooters, pest/vermin controllers, collectors, clay shooters, etc have in common - we are all gun owners.

Focusing on the differences isn't going to help, but the one thing the above all have in common is they are gun owners.

We are already painted with the worst brush possible in the media(usually, with rare and notable exceptions) and the PTB, so I do not think we realistically lose anything with that label.

At the very least it is an accurate one.

tikka646

Stating the obvious I know but the "gunowners" in Ireland would be the most law abiding,reasonably minded people whose past lives have been well checked out and scrutinised by an Gardai and have been held suitable to be in control of firearms. The same cannot be said for many of those who wish to interfere with our legal hobbies and interests.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120716346#Comment_120716346

^THIS^ Lets focus on what binds us and not what differentiated us.

Also, lets KILL off any sort of comparisons of Ireland to the USA,be it amongst ourselves, discussions, media replies, anything. As it is utterly and wholly incompatible with our situation. We are Europeans these days, and its time we focus on what our EU neighbours have in firearms and how they use and license them. At least we would be on a somewhat like-for-like comparison. Its also high time Ireland stops being an a la carte EU member,denying it's citizens benefits that our EU neighbours take for granted,once qualified in the firearms dept of life. Also,if we want a comparison and one that will ultimately affect this island one day. Compare us to the polar opposite of Northern Ireland. The only local part of Western Europe that allows concealed carry for self-defence. Has LESS gun crime than the Republic and the UK, despite still having a simmering terrorist problem,and has more firearms up in the 6 counties than in the Republic. While down here we have armed Narco gangs roaming our streets with genuine assault rifles and submachine guns,shooting each other at will.

jb88

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So this looks like Browne just scraped in, with another FF almost behind him along with FG.

Even if they split the County and add another seat, id say the days of FF and FG in Wexford are numbered, if anything Browne most likely wont get re elected.

The electorate were fooled into proportional representation in this country for a reason, for these politicians to get elected in the 10th or 11th count. That will change. with the no change of government last time. Everyone asked themselves why dont we have a different party in power?

The electorate were forced to go off and educate themselves and find out why rural mammy and daddy voted FFFG, AND THEIR KIDS differently.

No votes, No FFFG in Wexford = NO Browne

15 months is all the time to stop this, and if the changes to the FCA1 are anything to go by its only going to get worse before then.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120716389#Comment_120716389

"I was always a reasonable man until I was driven to unreasonable acts" Marvin Heeymeyer RIP of "Killdozer" fame.

The PTB will need to start getting worried if we start discussing the merits of heavy earth-moving equipment rather than firearms here.

dalalada

What’s the next stage with this? Any updates

garrettod

Got a decent mention from Agriland

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/firearm-owners-concerned-for-shooting-activity-in-ireland/?utm_source=Agriland%20Master%20List&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Email%20Newsletter%20-%2021_06_2023%20%2801H3EQV89EFF61C8NWQ1HWA3KB%29&_kx=3jYHRMylrd4hFN5h9OXLffNV--jERWaO8r2pDyaZ100%3D.VA7XY5

TheEngineer1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120747357#Comment_120747357

Is the FURG submission mentioned in the article available online to view?

Grizzly 45

John Tierney. Like a pimple on ones buttocks, sometimes annoying but best ignored and goes away by itself.

Cass

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Grizzly 45

I see that Verona Murphy TD was giving James Browne some stick about the FEC in the (empty) Dail this AM.

Made a very pertinent point abt the FEC,that we all missed orgs and individuals.Did any of them sign off on a disclosure form to prevent a conflict of intrest?We can guess what the answer to that is...

jb88

I think the best bit was the blatent lie by Minister Browne at the end stating that there is no current proposed new legislation on firearms.

Grizzly 45

There is a letter going about from Barry Cowen Td.Remember him of the DUI charges and never did a driving license test in 2016? He's looking to assist us gunowners now as well🤣🤣.Or more like his own career more like.

Lets see who jumps now on the bandwagon on this issue once they have seen an independent TD stick it to one of their own .

Grizzly 45

And the beat goes on! Gotta love the DOJ response.I cant figure out, is Browne is just utterly pigheaded on this issue or plain stupid to just keep driving on this utter car wreck?

https://www.ontheditch.com/fianna-fail-minister-party-diehard/?fbclid=IwAR15poc5wWBRJCaMjCJOlmIz8xZt7r7gVDcJO2Z6J5J28dbHuphZawPE_zY

Vizzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120831988#Comment_120831988

A bit of both I would say.

Any news yet on a potential meeting with FURG or with any individual groups?

garrettod

Even if the meetings do take place, do you honestly believe that they'll do any good?

I certainly don't... unfortunitely.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833113#Comment_120833113

FURG met with the DOJ last Thursday apprently.But groups like FUNI and the Irish gun dealers weren't invited,or are still awaiting an invitation to an audience with the great.

Vizzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120834659#Comment_120834659

According to NARGC these are the organisations within FURG;

"Organisations within FURG include: National Association of Regional Game Councils, Country Sports Ireland. FACE Ireland, Irish Deer Society, Irish Deer Commission, Wild Deer Association of Ireland, Deer Alliance HCAP, Countryside Alliance (Ireland), Irish Firearms Dealers’ Association, Irish Clay Target Shooting Association, National Association of Sporting Rifle & Pistol Clubs, Irish Country Sports Association, Precision Rifles Ireland".

I note that FUNI are not in the list, but is the "Irish Firearms Dealers' Association" not the same as the Irish Gun Dealers ?

Grizzly 45

Yet FUNI has a rep on the FURG committee.But we don't feature on the fURG letterhead. So very much a limbo situation. But still gives us autonomy to operate as a separate entity too it seems.

As for the firearms dealers and their associations and as to who is what and where and when that is a total mystery. One operation was set up by PW ,but as to what or where it is now is anyone guess.

Vizzy

So, FUNI have a representative on FURG, but weren't invited to the meeting.

Are there others on FURG that weren't invited ?

If that is the case and FURG cant even notify their representatives about a meeting with the DOJ, then we are fcuked lads ( and lassies).

Also, according to the NARGC list there are 4 "deer" associations on FURG,3 "game" associations, 2 "target" associations, plus a few others.

How much difference can there be between the various groupings? Could they not get together and decide what needs to be addressed.

TBH, if I was in the DOJ I would be wondering why I was meeting so many representatives from seemingly similar interest groups, and even if I did meet them are there others who will claim "we were never consulted"

People Front of Judea versus the Judean Peoples Front and all that.

Grizzly 45

Close to a week,and the rest of FURG hasn't had a debrief on how this meeting went and what was discussed.

Groups that we do know have made submissions to the DOJ as separate entities. FURG,FUNI, NASRPC ,PRI.

Groups that have been to see the Minister or been in the Lenstir house area on that date,as we were led to belive this was going to be a meeting with Min Browne FURG.

Groups repped at this meet under the FURG umbrella NARGC, and two deer organisations.

NARGC FB page from July 7th

Yesterday saw us meet with Claire Kirrane Sinn Fein TD for Roscommon in Dail Eireann as part of a FURG meeting, pictured with Dan Curley Vice Chair of NARGC is Liam Nolan, Ronan O Gorman and Damian Hannigan

The Firearms Users Representative Group (FURG) was established to engage in high-level campaigning to achieve comprehensive and genuine engagement with firearms users during the review of the firearms licencing. The ultimate aim is to achieve a fairer, more efficient and consistent firearms licencing process.

Organisations within FURG include National Association of Regional Game Councils, Country Sports Ireland. FACE Ireland, Irish Deer Society, Irish Deer Commission, Wild Deer Association of Ireland, Deer Alliance HCAP, Countryside Alliance (Ireland), Irish Firearms Dealers’ Association, Irish Clay Target Shooting Association, National Association of Sporting Rifle & Pistol Clubs, Irish Country Sports Association, Precision Rifles Ireland.

Personal observation Do we really need Five[5] deer hunting-related organisations in Ireland?

TheEngineer1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841087#Comment_120841087

Can't have just one organisation peddling and cashing in on these now compulsory HCAP type courses now can we...

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841087#Comment_120841087

Once again, everyone claims to be your friend and representative, and claims to be looking after you, right up until you ask them to represent you, and then they say "what you talk about" ?.FURG only represents big FARM and DEER groups, where money can be made, by land ownership, and anyone else that wants guns has to pay in order to play, on their lands. (People should google Robin Hood and his timeframe)