The Pushback against Leftism

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119734798#Comment_119734798

The issue there is people who go out of their way to be hateful and offensive then complain when nobody wants to platform their utter bile.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119734818#Comment_119734818

It was hardly hateful and offensive though, ...(well, maybe offensive)

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119734796#Comment_119734796

Are people who work for children’s charities not supposed to have a sex life? Or are they supposed to keep it all locked away in the closet so you don’t get to be outraged by it?

What exactly is your problem with this person or anyone who decides to share or publish naked photos of themselves?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735055#Comment_119735055

You've completely disregarded 95% of my post, whilst then defending an employee of a children's trans charity who dresses up as a sexualised young girl and has pornographic photos of same riddled across his social media - whilst also saying he's the digital head of that charity. The same charity that is being investigated for lack of safeguarding of children, and the same charity that had a paedophile sympathising trustee.

I know you defend anything trans related, but surely even you can recognize that this has gone too far.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119734796#Comment_119734796

Take your just asking questions schtick to all children's charities if you really care.

If someone is involved in child porn they should get the absolute full punishment available. Unfortunately, just like the priest hood, such organisations attract such people. It's abhorrent and completely sickening.

Regarding the chest binders, your article is full of sensationalism and light on facts. As has been repeatedly pointed out.

Once again you care not a jot about children or women. You care little about engagement. You just want a platform to spread bile and in this case a clichéd link between pedophilia and transgender issues. It's transparent and obvious to anyone with a smidgen of common sense. It's actually funny you think you are fooling anyone.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735139#Comment_119735139

Will I try again?

1) Is he allowed have a sex life?

2) Is he allowed share nude or sexualised photos of himself?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735154#Comment_119735154

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735172#Comment_119735172

Here we go again, the problem isn't Mermaids - no, not at all - the real problem is the people pointing out what's gone wrong.

Dishonest casuistry.

Shocking stuff. This is the kind of thing we saw when people spoke up against the abuse committed at the hands of the Catholic Church.

Unsurprising though, it's straight out of the play book ("deny the claim, point the finger, blame everyone else, support the ideology no matter what").

Everyone can see through it.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119734708#Comment_119734708

No I still don't get it from that. Is it that she posted someones eles's personal nude images without consent? It can't be simply because of pornography because you may or may not be aware, as I've only discovered this year myself, there's loads of twitter porn accounts where users post more than nudes of themselves (which strikes me as odd, hardly the place). Or is it that Twitter agree that the stuff she posted actually does allude to child exploitation? So which is it exactly.

But in any case yeah I'm sure she doesn't give a damn about being banned from Twitter. Unlike her opponents who make tactical mistake after tactical mistake she does know what she's doing.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735191#Comment_119735191

So you're not going to explain what exactly your problem is with someone having a sex life and being open about their sex life?

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119734818#Comment_119734818

Erm which bile are you referring to exactly. Are you referring to the tweet she was banned for specifically? Because if you are you are saying that raising concerns about child safety is 'going out of one's way to be offensive'. You did read the link I posted earlier where she explains what this particular incident is all about. I'll assume you didn't in your eagerness to make no point of substance and throw out all sorts of defamatory accusations which is all you ever get here from the usual crowd because that's all they've got.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735055#Comment_119735055

I've heard it all now. The goalposts aren't even on the pitch.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735306#Comment_119735306

Please explain what specifically is your problem with people being open about their sex life?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735191#Comment_119735191

“Everyone can see through it”

now who’s spouting fallacies

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735285#Comment_119735285

If you’re going to assume I’ll leave you to it.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735191#Comment_119735191

Jump to conclusions much?

I didn't say there wasn't a problem. I said your article was lacking facts and big on sensationalism.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735332#Comment_119735332

You're spending more time criticising me than criticising Mermaids, when all the evidence of who deserves the criticism is very much on one side (hint: not mine).

Moreover, in your opinion is it actually possible to be gender critical and not be transphobic?

No matter what name I bring up, you or your equivalent will come along to smear their name / reputation. Clearly that doesn't mean the words of these people are false, but that's what tends to happen; smears.

So I repeat: in your opinion, is it possible to be gender critical and not be transphobic?

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735997#Comment_119735997

The only really useful analysis that you could present is what is the relative prevalence of what you are reporting in the trans and hetero community. Pointing to individual cases and individuals to make a point is called cherry picking and is disingenuous and a logical fallacy. The problem is thats not your game, your game is peddling outrage.

Until you can provide evidence that the behaviours you complain about are disproportionately common in one group over the other - you are just blowing hot air - again.

You are king of the logical fallacy.

We can all be outraged by individual crimes - but it becomes a crime when we use those isolated crimes to justify policy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736287#Comment_119736287

So we've had the damning Cass Report into the Tavistock. We have an ongoing inquiry into Mermaids. But that's a logical fallacy, so therefore the real problem is people like Eskimohunt.

That's what things have reduced to, folks!

Until you can provide evidence that the behaviours you complain about are disproportionately more common in one group over the other - you are just blowing hot air - again.

Nope, that's not what I or anyone else has argued here.

We've simply stated there are serious safeguarding issues for children in the two leading gender clinics in the UK.

But as before, you'd rather erect a strawman and smash it to pieces, than actually condemn Mermaids.

Mermaids can get away with literally anything, it seems. Tavistock once thought that.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736342#Comment_119736342

I presented to you a simple way of changing my mind on this, provide me the evidence that there is a disproportionate problem of the behaviours in your target community - simple. Otherwise your wasting our time here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736369#Comment_119736369

Nobody has argued that any particular crime / safeguarding issue is disproportionately more common in one group over another.

You're literally inventing a non-existent problem, pretending it's the mother of all arguments.

Have you any thoughts on what's happening re: Mermaids, or is it all the fault of the "transphobes" really, for pointing these problems out?

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736383#Comment_119736383

Its the essence of the issue which you want to ignore. The attacks you have made on the trans community that you have used so far are that they represent a physical threat to the heterosexual and gay community. Pointing to deviants in the trans community, as you have spent the last few pages doing, are specifically designed to premote the ideal that trans people are an exceptional threat to the community. Yourve been hedging around this issue all through this thread - its your central basis of argument. i want you to prove it with evidence.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736416#Comment_119736416

False.

What we are saying is this: that the trans movement has advanced quite rapidly in recent years. There have been significant changes that accompanied that advance. For instance: the effect of trans women in women's sport. We've also seen the novel introduction of puberty blockers to young children, even though - as the Cass Report states - there is insufficient evidential grounds to justify this medically (as well as the affirmation model). We could also talk about other concerns that the Cass Report raised, such as the social and professional pressure that healthcare staff faced to "conform" with the ideology against what they believed were the best interests of children.

I could go on. But the past number of pages detail just some of the problems that this social advance has come with.

That means a discussion is warranted.

You would rather pretend no problems exist. That the real problem exists with so-called transphobes and haters and people like me - who you all lump together, conveniently.

So this is unprecedented territory. There are new social dynamics to this movement that did not previously exist. That means they must be explored.

But I return to what I said previously: you see the problems not with sport or the Cass Report or the inquiry into Mermaids or any other safeguarding issue / protection for women. For you, it seems no real problems exist. The fingers are very firmly in the ears with a "Na, na, na" kind of approach. Ignore the problems and hope they go away, and blame the people who've raised the problems to begin with.

It's all about censoring the transphobes / anyone who questions gender ideology.

So your framing of the argument is false and misleading. But that's intentional. It's the bread and butter of how activists respond to genuine questions about this movement. And no matter how many times you disingenuously misrepresent the situation, as you have done here and elsewhere, the falsehoods that characterize the ideology, and the consequences of that ideology, will be called out.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736465#Comment_119736465

But thats not really where you are coming from, you have suggested a sexual deviant threat and have claimed that trans is simply a mental disorder with no authenticity - you can only ever be the gender of the body you were born in. Everything else is just tools to advance your core beliefs that there is no legitimacy to the transgender cause. So please forgive me if I don't buy your outraged concern for people you wouldn't otherwise give a dame for, because I for one see right through it to the nasty ideology you represent.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736517#Comment_119736517

All of this is fictitious, entirely false, and designed to mislead.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119735997#Comment_119735997

Oh we doing q&a now again? I'll go back and find all the questions you ignored because they didn't suit your narrative and we can pick up from there? That's why I spend time on you because of your frankly dishonest, bad faith and hypocritical posting style.

I love the use of the word equivalent. You have the arguments all figured out, eh?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736529#Comment_119736529

So again, perhaps you could clarify your specific concerns about the person who was open about the sexuality and their sex life.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736629#Comment_119736629

Let's put it like this: if there were a children's charity in this country, and the head of that charity posed sexually as a young girl on social media - complete with other photos of nudity and pornography, would you consider that a matter to be concerned? Would you consider it appropriate?

I'm clear: it would be totally wrong.

Your position on the matter remains distinctly opaque. And that worries me.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736657#Comment_119736657

I really don't care what people's sexual activities are, as long as it is legal. There are lots of people who share their sexual interests and activities on social media. It's not my thing, but others seem to enjoy it, so good luck to them. There are a whole range of 'dressing up' kinks out there that people enjoy. Some dress as babies, some dress as pups, some dress as furry animals. That doesn't mean they are sexually interest in babies or in pups or in furry animals. It is a dressing up kink.

It's really none of your business what charity staff get up to in their bedrooms or on social media, as long as it's legal. It is certainly entirely inappropriate for you to make thinly veiled 'paedo' smears just because someone has different sexual interests to you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736924#Comment_119736924

I asked you a question: if there were a children's charity in this country, and the head of that children's charity posed sexually as a young girl on social media - complete with other photos of nudity and pornography, would you consider that a matter to be concerned? Would you consider it appropriate?

That's a yes or no question, with respect.

Again, I'm clear: it would be totally wrong and wholly inappropriate.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119736966#Comment_119736966

Which part of 'none of your business' did you struggle to understand? The sexual habits and activities of other adults are none of your business.