"Drink is a funny thing....."

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310460#Comment_119310460

Still don't get your point.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119306546#Comment_119306546

I don't think even the OP knows the answer to that. It's all waffle.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310477#Comment_119310477

Crack is very moreish maybe?😕

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310467#Comment_119310467

Alright let me explain it again, but different.

There's some absurd statistic that something like 50% of all chronic drug abusers are schizophrenics (which means they experience chronic psychotic symptoms of visual/auditory hallucinations). It could be the other way around, 50% of all schizophrenics become drug abusers.

Regardless, point being schizophrenia is theorized to be an issue of dopamine dysfunction in teh brain.

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In other words, they use drugs to affect dopamine, to overcompensate for an innate dysfunction of that chemical.

THIS WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY IF THEIR BEHAVIOR WAS MORE ADEPT, as it would mean their nervous system regulates dopamine transmission better.

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So what I'm saying re Dublin inner city culture (trash) is it's inherently maladaptive, it causes behavior/thinking to throw their nervous systems so out of whack, they're driven to chemical use in attempt to overcompensate for its dysfunction.

Does that makes sense?

If it doesn't make sense to you, it doesn't make sense to other readers so keep with the "no fucking clue" 's until I find a means concise enough to define it such that it does.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310514#Comment_119310514

Oh! I can Google too!

Another thing in common!

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310504#Comment_119310504

Nuh.

That was the point I was making earlier.

"Going fast", ice-tea etc are sometimes used as cognitive enhancers.

I thought with their assistance I could break into new intellectual realms.

But as it happens they're only cognitive enhancers in those with cognitive deficits (like ADHD), pre-disposed neurological shortcomings, not normal people.

It's kind of the entire point I'm making here.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310526#Comment_119310526

Oh!

Smarty McSmart-face over here.

The statistic?

I vaguely recall it was mentioned in Eric Nestler's "molecular neuropharmacology" (5th edition) from many moons previous.

He did extensive investigation on the neurobiological implications of chronic cocaine use so when such a dude posits such a statistic, I guess it's sticks in memory.

Sugar_Rush

Perhaps my dude Simon Patterson can lend more concise insight:

https://youtu.be/jl3_3AWPzDs?t=315

"Every time we have a thought we make a chemical".

As thoughts are mediated through neural action potentials, electrical spikes in neurons/nerves in the brain <- click link for diagram.

"When we have good thoughts or happy thoughts or elevated thoughts, we make chemicals that make us feel more happy".

This is charccterized as "excitation".

Again the diagramatic illustration is in the above link.

The neural spikes (excitatory spikes) cause chemical (such as dopamine) to discharge from the cell, signal to other cells = cause positive feeling/euphoria.

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Where this is ABSENT = impetus toward drug use which circumvent this natural physiological process, and cause the "chemicals" to "be made", even where good/happy thoughts are not present.

i.e. lack of excitation or means to attain it, in ones life (or thought process, as ones life is an extension of such).

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310557#Comment_119310557

I believe it was originally mentioned in the 4th addition.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310632#Comment_119310632

It was but Google gets things wrong at times.

This is all just gibberish mashed together from internet searches.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310821#Comment_119310821

Alright alright.

It's a fairly profound issue with some wide sweeping implications if I were proven to be correct.

So I accept your challenge.

If you can demonstrate to me emphatically any single contention I've presented with as being even marginally wrong, present so much as a modicum of material to disprove it.......... aw hell.......... I'll eat a f**king sneaker!!

Ready?

Set?

Go!!

...........

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310821#Comment_119310821

I studied the works of that person, thoroughly and I can categorically say its the 4th edition.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310975#Comment_119310975

What are you, the bibliography version of a grammar nazi?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119311034#Comment_119311034

Yes.

As you are well know as an engineer and a mathematician that accuracy is paramount.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310877#Comment_119310877

But you have been proven wrong. Its the 4th edition. The 5th edition moved quite substantially away from its neoclassical roots. Stunning difference.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310460#Comment_119310460

Steering the conversation back on track;

No one has an opinion on this issue?

Bear in mind, a significant contributor to the national housing shortage, especially for private renters and buyers is government acquisition of accommodation for the purposes of council allocation (given to homeless).

One of our most pressing national concerns, the epicenter being Dublin.

Given the entire alcohol/opioid/benzo and other form of malicious narcotic misuse around the city, the root cause of the issue is literally going from bad to worse.

So I guess in saying "drink is a funny thing" I'm not necessarily positing "funny hahaha" so much as, ironically funny........ but devastatingly so.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278020#Comment_119278020

I was waiting for an appropriate time to quote this also.

This is truly one of those diabolical Irish'isms, like "Guinness is good for you" or "whiskey acts as a blood thinner".

lol

Some people actually buy into this BS.

Alcohol is bad, no exceptions.

There is no conceivable circumstance under which alcohol proves any kind of physiological benefit (outside of being an antiseptic);

Any kind of neurological/behavioral physiological benefit.

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Of course I understand it may assist with social practice where culture is so flawed it necessitates it.

But this, THIS, is the true issue that needs addressing.

Why do we need to use it + other narcotics in the first place..... ?

Bobblehats

Relax, get some hooch into ye sure I had a had a few friends over last night -

Comatose. Sign of a good night and I know what you’re thinking , aghast as I am myself but yes new TV incoming.

sam t smith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119311085#Comment_119311085

A rookie mistake.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119312903#Comment_119312903

Statement without foundation.

All risk mortality studies show moderate drinkers faring better than heavy drinkers and abstainers.

There is also evidence of protective heart benefit from drinking alcohol.

The jury is still out, despite what some selective WHO studies might say, ignoring such evidence. If ultimately the risks of moderate drinking outweigh the benefits, it must be quite a small \ weak effect. One which most drinkers would accept. There are no grounds to write "there are no conceivable circumstances" that is a very statement, backed up by nothing.

And of course in the past, weak beer and wine was essential as an alternative to water of unknown safety in urban areas.

It's very easy to write "where culture is so flawed" well there must be a lot of flawed cultures out there, in the present and the past. So maybe it's easier for alcohol to assist as a social lubricant than to try to fix so many 'flawed' societies.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313990#Comment_119313990

Not to be too much of cynic but....... first decent reply in this thread.

It's very easy to write "where culture is so flawed" well there must be a lot of flawed cultures out there, in the present and the past. So maybe it's easier for alcohol to assist as a social lubricant than to try to fix so many 'flawed' societies.

Perhaps an interim stop-gap of sorts.

Let's face it, the gender divide is so vast, global population would probably be much lower without said "social lubricant" to help things along.

Purely physiologically, alcohol is bad.

However what you seem to allude to is, moderate drinkers may use it to assist positive social function which has an implication on neural excitation (<- link, explained therein), which is a primary (perhaps thee primary) determinant of positive physiological function.

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And yes of course, many flawed cultures (or more specifically cultures which lack development), but definitely some more so than others.

Such is the point at hand.

And the question is of course, how to improve/address and potentially rectify-such-to-optimize that dilemma?

The quantum-mechanics cat characterizes this question quite well. (<- link)

Brid Hegarty

Why do you have to act all philosophical with this thread? as if you're making some observation about life that most haven't put their finger on? Don't tell me you're not? All you're really doing is saying something very obvious that we're all aware of.

More importantly, are you really a gigolo? And if so, how do you advertise? You haven't answered that. Are you comfortable having sex with people you're not attracted to? or does anything with a pulse do for you? And what about STIs? You've come to boards to put all this out there, so I don't see why you should get to shy away from the questions on it you don't want to answer.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119317816#Comment_119317816

most haven't put their finger on?

Oh really? What is it you think they've put their finger on?

are you really a gigolo?

Gigo-wat?

A "gigo-lo"...... that's a subjective term.

I prefer, male-prostitute.

Occasionally I'll abbreviate it to, prostidude.

Or sometimes I just shoot from the hip and go with the straight-up term, "man whore".

And yes, I'm a real good man whore...... (<-link for confirmation)

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119318289#Comment_119318289

Quit the messing around. What are you afraid of answering for? Your online reputation of an anonymous account?

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119318357#Comment_119318357

Quit the messing around

For some reason when I read that, the voice-over came out in my mind as some half-in-the-bag countryside-dweller irately giving it,

"don't be acting the buck!!".

.......

Is that what you really meant to say?

Sugar_Rush

On this general topic, I fell asleep to a podcast last night, exploring a very relative issue.

A historian explores the rationale behind

• failed leadership policies and political agendas,
• failed attempts at cultural reformation, and
• why US attempts to "civilize" less developed cultures has typically wound up with them destabilizing said countries irrevocably.

And most specifically, attempting to establish the core governing rationale determining all this failure.

https://youtu.be/Vrz8YDl9CeA?t=2930

.........

Re that "core governing rationale", I think the time stamp begins where he explores that segment in depth, specifically.

Regardless it's an interdasting listen with captivating delivery.