Next British PM

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445837#Comment_119445837

It's also the call back to the American Presidential "First 100 days" thing , which makes no sense there and even less in a Parliamentary democracy where the concept of Executive Order etc. doesn't exist.

As the kids says these days it's just "chasing the insta-likes" , it's got no bearing on how Governing is supposed to work.

He says it would start in his first 100 days.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445814#Comment_119445814

A truly scurrilous degree of populism.

And who's going to pay dearest for these new, shiny laws? Presumably the same people who'd have the funds stripped from their councils, their college degrees demeaned, by Sunak's other proclamations.

Flatulent centrists they might affect, but the sooner Labour take control of government the better, even if it'll need to weather the storms brought by the tabloid rags

Kinda fitting that it signs off with music composed by a German.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445883#Comment_119445883

Always just reminds me of Die Hard:With a Vengeance. Which might also be apt when the UK is stuck with "Sunak says"

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445878#Comment_119445878

it says that in his first 100 days he will review or repeal the laws - not that he would start within the 100 days.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445933#Comment_119445933

I think it's pretty clear from the tweet itself that he doesn't intend on completing the task in 100 days.

breezy1985

I'm confused I thought Boris "got Brexit done"

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445837#Comment_119445837

Well, the HoC got 24 hrs to review, discuss, modify, and vote on the WA agreement, including the NI Protocol.

Now by reckoning, 100 days is 100 times as long. Is that better to spend 100 days reviewing, and then shredding 2,400 separate laws that came as a result of 47 years of EU membership? Of course, it is nearly 1,000 days since the UK actually left the EU and have still not implemented the NI Protocol, nor much of the WA.

I wonder what will happen to Rishi Sunak (If he becomes PM)if he fails to shred all those laws, or indeed fails to negotiate or shred the NI Protocol?

What will happen to the UK, with their new PM if the EU takes punitive action against the UK, and begins a trade war?

I wonder if Truss (Then she was, then she wasn't) decides she now isn't whatever it is that she was? I think the USA political label is 'flip flop' but for her I will abbreviate it to just 'flop'.

Fun times ahead.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445950#Comment_119445950

Hard to see if it ever being done. Imagine being told in 2016 that in the Tory leadership campaign in 2022, both candidates would still be banging on about removing EU law.

Typically, problems with laws manifest themselves or are brought to people's attention by interested parties. Going looking at every single law carried over from their time in the EU is the most cringe worthy politics I've seen in a while. And it seems to work over there.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119445938#Comment_119445938

Grand, I was focused on the fancy video which didn't say that.

Seth Brundle

Incidentally, what exactly is Sunak planning on keeping Brexit safe from?

Inquitus

Truss 1/11

Rishi 8/1

The games up for ickle Rishi, Truss will be the next PM, it's inevitable. Both are hopeless, that said the ones already eliminated were no better. She'll just continue to play to the old xenophobic members of the Tory party, try and blame the EU for everything, despite the fact they left ages ago, and try and shaft us with revisions to the NI protocol.

All the while harping on about the sunlit uplands that are just around the corner, somewhere............

The rest of them have only fallen in line behind her because they want plum cabinet jobs, not because they like or respect her.

It's tragic just how unsuited she is, or indeed most of the Tory Party would be, for the job of running a country.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119446520#Comment_119446520

Treacherous libtard remoaners, seditious socialists, the mainstream media, the judiciary and anyone who doesn't read the Daily Mail.

Seriously, it's a desperate ploy to hide the fact that his only policies are handouts for billionaires like his non-dom wife.

BonnieSituation

I've been through several stages of grief at the thought of Truss having any hand or part in Irish politics, but accepting that Truss will be so goddam awful that it will hasten the inevitable collapse of the UK does give one the warm fuzzies.

Imagine watching Leadsom in 2016 and thinking "how far they've fallen" and look at what we have now.

Madness.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119446523#Comment_119446523

Conservative Home poll 4/8 and YouGov are very close, Occam's Razor may apply.

Liz Truss: 58 per cent (ConHome), 60 per cent (YouGov).

Rishi Sunak: 26 per cent (ConHome), 26 per cent (YouGov).

Don’t know: 12 per cent (ConHome), 11 per cent (YouGov).

...

stick instead to the simple thought that the Tory membership divides right-of-party-centre to left-of-party-centre by about two to one and so, all other things being equal, the leadership candidate perceived to be more right-wing than the other will win by a margin about two to one.

The results from this week's @ObserverUK @OpiniumResearch voting intention poll: Con 34% (no change) Lab 37% (no change) Lib Dem 12% (+1) Green 6% (no change)

Labour only 3% ahead , not nearly enough in a system where people may vote for the other side to get a stable government.

Will_I_Amnt

Well this says it all - It's a week old but I only stumbled across it this morning - "James O'Brien's epic takedown of 'useless, cowardly and dishonest' Liz Truss"

James O'Brien's epic takedown of 'useless, cowardly and dishonest' Liz Truss - YouTube

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119453888#Comment_119453888

I like one of the comments to the James O'Brien piece referring to 'the idiocracy' - I presume that is the Tory Party and the Tory Gov.

What a shower of ****s.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119447138#Comment_119447138

I wouldn't be overly concerned re. Truss and Ireland. She (and her new cabinet) are likely to do 'far' more damage to the UK itself - we'll just need to remind ourselves of that, even if she sets off a confrontation over the Protocol. The Protocol might end up being a smallish story in the general scheme of things.

bob mcbob

Sturgeon commenting on the first time she met Truss

Ms Sturgeon said the pair had spoken before a function at Glasgow’s Kelvingrove museum during the COP26 climate summit last year. And she said the foreign secretary asked her how to get featured in Vogue. Ms Sturgeon said: “We were there quite a bit early, so we were talking to each other.  "I remember this quite well actually. I had just done – and this is going to sound really up myself, it’s not meant to, OK – I’m telling this story as much against myself as it is against Liz Truss, in some respects.  "I’d just been interviewed by Vogue, so I’d just had a photo shoot in Vogue, as you do. “And that was the main thing she wanted to talk to me about, she wanted to know how she could get into Vogue – and she calls me an attention-seeker.

"I said to her ‘they came and asked me’. "I didn't really mean to do this, but I said to her it hadn't actually been my first time in Vogue, it had been my second time. "It looked a little bit as if she'd swallowed a wasp. "I'm sure she'll be in Vogue before too long."

Ms Sturgeon later added: "I remember it because there we were at the world's biggest climate change conference in Glasgow, world leaders about to arrive. That was the main topic of conversation she was interested in pursuing. And once we'd exhausted that, it kind of dried up.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-liz-truss-looked-like-shed-swallowed-a-wasp-when-i-told-her-id-been-in-vogue-twice-3800698

Inquitus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119447478#Comment_119447478

Conservative Home and Yougov are polling the % of support Truss enjoys, oddschecker is showing the chances of winning. The 2 dovetail quite well 60% v 28% means she is getting twice as many votes as Rishi which would translate into a very high chance of winning e.g. 1/11 on.

Its done and dusted, Truss will be the new UK overlord come early September and Rishi will be back on the back benches, unless she deems it worthy of throwing him a bone to hush down going forwards.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119455540#Comment_119455540

She was the overlord when he didn't get 30 supporters to vote for Kemi to push into last place. Had he done that Kemi would be dropped on the next round and he'd have some chance against Penny if he could have convinced most of the don't knows. And it would have showed he could do what needed to be done.

But he didn't and he was polling so far behind Liz and Kemi that his only hope was (and is) the other candidate falling on their sword.

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119455192#Comment_119455192

Her ability to throw digs so politely is just amazing.

Still by far the most impressive politician in these islands.

Seth Brundle

Lovely question put to Sunak although it looks like he wormed his way out of answering it...

https://twitter.com/GraemeDemianyk/status/1557439277017010177

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457799#Comment_119457799

Wasn't she the most popular UK leader in a poll of English folk a while back - or did I imagine that?

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457893#Comment_119457893

You did not. It happened. I think it was during the 2015 GE.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119453888#Comment_119453888

There was a letter in the Guardian wondering if Liz or Rishi were Marxists.

“Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well I have others. - Groucho

And Liz will have deal with the EU where it's consensus and not winner take all. Not sure if she'll be able to run rings around the heirs to Bismark, Machiavelli and Talleyrand.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119457893#Comment_119457893

She will tear strips out of Truss if they ever go head to head.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461010#Comment_119461010

.So will everyone else.

It will be a further descent in awfulness of UK PMs.Cameron was bad - May worse - Johnson appalling - and either of the contenders will try to plumb the depths of shear incompetence. In Truss's case, such an absence of talent, lack of intelligence, is matched only by her ruthless pursuit of the photo-op and the U-turn.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461010#Comment_119461010

As the saying goes, it'll be Men vs. Boys if and when Truss finds herself dealing with Sturgeon WRT indyref2. It'd never happen but I'd love to see a TV debate between the two.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461959#Comment_119461959

Yeah. HMS Truss will sink on contact with reality. I think the Tories are either at the point now or rapidly approaching the point where they're going to be unelectable. We can see the effects of climate change first hand now and they're still trying to protect energy companies' profits. By pandering to 0.3% of the population, they debase themselves further in the eyes of most of the rest.

Sturgeon has been running government in Scotland for years in a competent, reality-based manner. She'd obliterate Truss or Sunak.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462045#Comment_119462045

Did you miss out an un- ??

Back in early-2021 my thought were that they'd already blown their electability so may as well just ram through as much more crap as possible while still in office.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119462969#Comment_119462969

Corrected.

Your issue is that you've overestimated their nous. No amount of Daily Mail gaslighting can obscure what's going on now regarding the cost of living and climate change. They've overreached and the world loves to punish nothing so much as hubris.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119463018#Comment_119463018

I'm not really thinking about obscuring things. I'm thinking about things being so blatant and out in the open that the vested interests behind the party have no restraint in what they will push for while the party is in power.

Rail privatisation was rushed because of the expectation Major would lose 1997. I'm expecting the current lot to do things like this on steroids.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466470#Comment_119466470

I don't think this crowd are intelligent enough to put through far reaching legislation.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119461959#Comment_119461959

I also get the impression she is quite rude in private. Both Sefcovic and Coveney appeared to come away from separate meetings with her a bit shell shocked and in very bad form. It sounds like she was shouting the odds and not even trying to be diplomatic.

Spanish Eyes

Be great if Sunak conceded now and let her have it. Would hasten the fun of seeing her being Trussed up by her own petard.

Sam Russell

I think if Sunak does not win, and does not get the Chancellor gig, he should resign his seat.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119468361#Comment_119468361

Ultra, ultra safe seat, Tories could sent a donkey with a blue rosette up there and they'd keep it. Wouldn't have any impact.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119469425#Comment_119469425

No seat is safe at current time. Even Tories might rebel.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119469769#Comment_119469769

They've had a brief Liberal time in the seat there since the 1880s. And Sunak isn't some locally popular character who might be able to cause a backlash.

They'd keep the seat.

Strazdas

Looks like Truss is planning to wage war on both the SNP and Sinn Fein. It's hard to understand her strategy, not unless she thinks pursuing an 'English nationalist' agenda is a strong vote winner.

https://twitter.com/BelTel/status/1558727620266790914

pixelburp

If she wants SF to stop looking the voice of reason, she could start by implementing the NI Protocol and stop cockteasing the DUP. It's the only reason SF have swung into view as the adults in the room; by basically, doing nothing except maintaining the status quo.

Of course she won't, that's fantasy on my part. A successful Northern Ireland is an uncomfortable reminder of the folly of Brexit.

nigeldaniel

Liz Truss does look like the winner at the moment.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/14/uk/liz-truss-profile-mcgee-intl-gbr-cmd/index.html

I confess, I never had her down as the winner on day one.

BonnieSituation

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BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471065#Comment_119471065

“In Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein remains eager to drive a wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain and push themselves further and further away."

Well, I for one am shocked that SF are now looking to take the north out of the UK. Didn't see that coming.

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It's funny how's she's just repeating the "one family" Unionist bullplop that Boris and May started their premiership with. And all they managed to do was damage the Union further. She's going to be those pair on steroids when it comes to speeding up the welcome disintegration of the UK.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471230#Comment_119471230

It's an astonishing degree of hubris and idiocy that seems to think the best way to cure the nationalist itch within the countries in your ... ... is to antagonise the very parties of nationalism, via anglocentric nationalism. I've said it before but it just makes the SF/SNP marketing departments' jobs so much easier; while attacking the North and Scotland's emblematic sense of self just drives more division.

Truss is a fool. Glib to say, but true.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471253#Comment_119471253

That's not the point. She's pandering to 0.3% of the British population to get elected as leader of her party. After that, she'll continue in this vein as bellicose English nationalism always needs a fresh enemy. The union is doomed and it's because of the largest Unionist party on these islands.

Empowered separatists are future Liz's problem. Same as David Cameron, the can just gets kicked down the road.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471230#Comment_119471230

It strikes me that her stance could well see her in breach of the Good Friday Agreement. The role of the British government under the GFA is not supposed to be to oppose / block Irish nationalism and to promote NI unionism.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472286#Comment_119472286

The British Gov are supposed to implement the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, and the included NI Protocol.

So far, they are short on nearly all matters, and are now in a serious legal dispute with the EU - which is a forerunner to a trade war, which will only have one winner - (Hint - it will not be the UK). Remember Johnson telling the HoC that the EU it can go whistle for the billions owed by the UK to the EU after Brexit - I wonder what happened about that.

Truss is a talentless fool, with little chance of long term survival.

I hope she does not declare war on somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere to bolster her chances of success at the next GE, like her heroine Thatcher did against Argentina to save a windswept island covered in sheep.