Do you want a general election now?

HerrKuehn

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119325908#Comment_119325908

Oh, ok right. Yes, they should have just said we will do what we want but give us the money anyway I suppose. The other option would have been cut massively, layoff large numbers of PS workers etc, but I imagine most would not have wanted that either.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119325402#Comment_119325402

The current and final appeal is by the EU Commission to the ECJ, not by Apple nor by any part of our government. The EU General Court rejected the original EU claim, which makes the money Apple's, not ours. This outcome will be reached long before any alternative government appears. Given the lower court decision that appeal will probably be lost. Now we have the OECD minimum 15% tax deal, which solves any such future questions and can be used to do all those things you listed.

Floppybits

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323399#Comment_119323399

The thing is would Varadkar and Martin get elected if there was a GE?

blanch152

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119325921#Comment_119325921

The smaller parties and independents will all get squashed. Sinn Fein will run on the platform that you can only count on us to get FF/FG out. They will increase their seats, possibly even up to 60, but at the expense of the smaller parties. That will actually see FF and FG hold on in some marginal seats as the smaller parties get squeezed, possibly even picking up enough to stay in power.

Social Democrats and Labour could almost disappear.

https://irishelectionprojections.com/2022/06/28/june-2022-projections-update/

Look at these seat projections . They see FF and FG actually picking up three seats between them based on the current polls. The real key factor could be how well the Greens do. SF are more vulnerable on climate change than on housing or health. Those who vote Green could stay with them. If the Greens manage to hold six, then this government could be returned, based on figures not too dissimilar to the current opinion polls.

The real story of the current opinion polls is not SF overtaking the government, it is about SF cannabilising the opposition parties. If I was in PBP or the SDs, I would be seriously worried.

markodaly

No I don't want a general election now.

Appears the majority don't want a GE. Can't blame them. What exactly would a GE achieve now? Nothing.

Windowsnut

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119325565#Comment_119325565

Isn't it amazing that this party can now take the moral high ground now over FFG.

They did not rebuild the economy, the IMF had already put policies in place prior to their taking office, taxing us to the hilt and cuts to health and education that will impact on generations to come.

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326126#Comment_119326126

The plan for months now has been to attack the Greens. That is why you see all media flooded with an attack on the Greens. Just look at the Green agenda thread on here and it was flooded with a couple of accounts which couldn't decipher the thread shouldn't be a slagging match against the Green party and was actually a discussion about all parties Green agenda, well the ones that have one.

It's hilarious to see all of the accounts online and it's a constant barrage against the Green party, you know it's serious when they have Paddy Cosgrove jumping in on slag the Greens agenda.

For me the Greens have actually gone too soft, they should have held on and dumped turf etc. Or at least made an agreement it would be dumped at the end of the war. At this stage they can only win by pushing hard on their agenda, the only people moaning about them never voted for them in the past anyway so who cares

Yes I want a general election now.

I’d like to see the government stirred. We are facing an extremely serious multi factorial crisis and certain things need a change. However I don’t believe in any such thing as a money tree.

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326288#Comment_119326288

You see this is the problem, that is totally untrue. I don't support FG, never had but they have to be given credit for turning Ireland around.

As the other poster said the economy is growing so fast we don't have the houses so we just need to build.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326381#Comment_119326381

They’re doomsayers and no voter wants to listen to their rubbish- I’ve a long voting memory and remember when they were sharing power years ago and tax tax tax is all they could come up with - the Green agenda will only be progressed through development of alternative sustainable industries and significant jobs and careers for people - that’s what Green should stand for- instead they’re moaning about cars on the road when our public transport service is in the toilet. Im sick and tired of their myopic view on what sustainability is all about and they’re doing nothing to further the development of this country - OUT OUT OUT I say 😂

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326431#Comment_119326431

The Green party have been in government twice. Once we hit the biggest crash ever, second we hit the biggest World crisis maybe ever.

Now please explain to me why you can blame the Greens for the poor infrastructure we have in place, as soon as the Greens try to implement anything they get thrown out of government and blamed for stuff they never done. I seen people complaining because they shut down the ESB plants when that was done before the last election.

Ireland is so **** at public transport and the Green agenda because we haven't had a party involved with some sort of Green agenda. Don't be thinking that SF care, in the last manifesto they scribbled something on the last page and only came up with something now because everyone laugh at them. They have zero plans.

Any party who doesn't run in the next election with investment into public transport as a core principle they should be shown the door

Instead of asking to "build the road" EVERYONE should be asking to "build the public transport". The roads are built

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

Something to consider for the next election, everytime a small party is involved in government they take the blame if it goes wrong. No sooner had the Greens gone into government they got blamed for decision made years ago. We have years of the same with labour etc.

iColdFusion

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326288#Comment_119326288

Ireland left the IMF bailout in 2013 and it didn't matter which party was in power during it, their hands were tied by the IMF.

The economy could have sunk like a dead duck from then but instead its continuously grown through a lot of government & IDA hard work to bring big companies and jobs here, I honestly think our economy would still be stagnating if we had been sending SF ministers abroad, Facebook and Google CEOs aren't going to be taking photos with anyone who has ties to the IRA and SF are notoriously anti-big business.

HerrKuehn

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326944#Comment_119326944

Can you imagine SF negotiating Brexit? It required calmer heads, not screaming and shouting.

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326944#Comment_119326944

Great in one way, but over-reliance on Big Tech could be part of our downfall. It’s part of why housing has become unattainable for so many.

cezanne

Yes I want a general election now.

Yes general election now please cant bear the thought of that smug WEF cuck Leo as taoiseach again. Cant stand his ireland hating face & the fact that his is ex WEF makes him a bad choice for our little country, that is already drowning & struggling . Wish we had a strong leader who was self reliant and didnt need millions spent on spin to make him likeable. A real patriot would be a bonus someone who could say:

" ok gates closed lets get our house in order before we take in any more renegades. Lets get some housing for our own people and then we can open the discussion in Europe when that issue is solved. Also I want some real action in health, so we will focus on those two issues for the next 12 months. We will also suspend the carbon green hoax for now until maybe China & India do something about their coal use and their massive gases & planet destruction. OK lads lets get on with it, i don't need foundation and make up **** off, we are a government not a reality tv series". if you are only here for spin and Tv appearances leave your fob at the door on your way out workers only, to many faeries in this cabinet doing woke tasks and wrecking the country. This must stop NOW "

HerrKuehn

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327556#Comment_119327556

Or maybe someone who welcomes contributors in and encourages our "own" takers to emigrate?

BattleCorp

No I don't want a general election now.

A SF Government supported by PBP etc. wouldn't last p1ssing time.

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327556#Comment_119327556

WEF?

Wanderer78

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119325945#Comment_119325945

would yea go way outta that nonsense, the imf have a history of wondering around the planet, annihilating counties, so, ta-dah!

HerrKuehn

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327887#Comment_119327887

God, not this nonsense again, I think you will change your views once you move to second year economics. We didn't have to invite them in. The country bounce back, so I don't think we were annihilated. We could also have had sensible borrowing limits during the bubble and we wouldn't have ever needed to have them here.

Itssoeasy

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326133#Comment_119326133

Absolutely nothing which is why I voted no. The challenges would still be there and a repeat of the protracted government forming negotiations won’t help things. I also could do with weeks of politicians of all stripes stuffing leaflets into my letterbox and then calling and promising the moon and the stars and some magic fix.

Yes I want a general election now.

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Wanderer78

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328084#Comment_119328084

yea yea, whatever! the imf cookbook, trade liberalization, privatize everything, including the air, and crush everything with austerity, oh yea, this really really works well!!! poor ould sri lanka is fcuked! again, what bounce back, how has the life of the average person bounced back, yes if you re lucky to own assets, their value has been doing pretty good, up until late of course, but if you dont own assets, well you re fcuked! yea we really did bounce didnt we! sensible borrowing during the bubble, while we were running a surplus, wtf! keep believing you re own sh1te there! facts once again included!

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HerrKuehn

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328132#Comment_119328132

I meant sensible mortgage borrowing limits, you know, like we have now. You can't really borrow 6-10 times income and expect things to go well. I think you are the classic Dunning-Kruger victim, you read something in a book, latched onto it and think you are now an expert.

J.O. Farmer

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119327420#Comment_119327420

Sinn Fein negotiating Brexit for Britain based on being in Northern Ireland? It certainly wouldn't be as the Irish government.

I thought the EU had Michel Barnier as chief negotiater and that he was never a member of any Irish political party.

thinkabouit

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119326421#Comment_119326421

What did Fianna Gael do to fix the economy?

The economy was turned around because of the hard work of Irish taxpayer's getting out of bed in the morning.

HerrKuehn

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328162#Comment_119328162

Michel Barnier didn't negotiate it on his own you know and luckily we had politicians that were respected in both the UK and the EU. I can't see Rathgar Mary Lou's common person shtick, Pierce Doherty's burst an eyeball shouting or self published housing expert Eoin O'Broin getting the same respect. That is before we even get into the party's history with the UK. It wouldn't have gone down well.

HerrKuehn

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328215#Comment_119328215

Why did it turn around more dramatically than almost any other country? The government parties have generally been pretty good with the macro decisions. Basically anything that doesn't involve changing how state/semi state workers do their jobs, they don't manage any of that well.

Wanderer78

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119328152#Comment_119328152

again, under such conditions, financialisation kicks in, and the aim of the game is to keep pushing up the value of assets, in particular in relation to property and land, its a scam! you end up with the fire sectors effectively dictating policy, i.e. exactly what we still have now! yes citizens have limited abilities to borrow, but investment funds, and larger businesses can borrow till their bellies are well fattened, oh and they eventually end up monopolizing such markets! dunning-kruger me arse, people know whats going on, theyre not stupid, plenty can seen exactly whats going on!