Is it too late for Europe and the World. There is fires everywhere.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371813#Comment_119371813

Electricity. Do I get full marks 😂

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371565#Comment_119371565

Ohh I always accepted the theory of it, just like their are many other theories out there, but they cant be counted as evidence until science proves it to be fact.

You are really making my point for me in your post. Yes their has been natural cycles within the climate of the planet which happen over long periods of time, a 1000 years like you say is a blip in the natural cycle of things. So their is no way to say any such cooling period is imminent any time soon.

Yet scientists are saying that the planet is heating up in a much shorter period of time right now and they are saying we are causing this rise in temperature. If they are correct and this trend continues then it will start having massive ecological consequences in the comming years. My point to you is that if this is the case we can not rely on any grand solar minimum or any other natural cooling period to magically dig us out of this hole we are getting ourselves into here.

NiceFella

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119370063#Comment_119370063

Your exaggerated posturing adds nothing to the conversation. As horrible as someone like Putin is or any other major world leader in fact it is highly doubtful that they are insane. In fact most are highly intelligent. He may be self interested but the environment internets us all. Even a megalomaniac like Putin understands that.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371664#Comment_119371664

What compels you to think the ecosystem is collapsing? Is there something you know that the rest of us dont? If there was compelling evidence of this then everyone would be very aware of it

If you are going to blindly cite the IPCC reports that have been published recently - they say nothing of the sort.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/spain-portugal-deaths-heatwave-b2128345.html

Over 1900 heatwave related deaths in Spain and Portugal.

Overheal

https://www.mediaite.com/weird/carbon-offset-company-replanting-trees-accidentally-burns-35000-acres-in-second-forest-fire-they-caused-this-summer/

........

A carbon offset company that was planting trees in Spain accidentally started a massive wildfire that has consumed about 35,000 acres — and it wasn’t even the first forest fire they caused this summer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXVkL2vhdEs

EOQRTL

I just looked outside, no fires.

Can we go back to being mature now and stop panicking about every little weather event.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373715#Comment_119373715

Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean everyone else doesn't

https://www.science.org/content/article/are-we-middle-sixth-mass-extinction

noodler

Now I'm a hypocrite because I do not do much to help but I do really worry seeing older, wealthier people arguing that it's either not true or mankind will adapt. I just don't think you take it seriously if you know it will never affect you

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375039#Comment_119375039

I looked outside and didn’t see a radioactive fish lads therefore Fukushima wasn’t an ecological disaster.

I remember about 10 years ago on the beach in the Carolina’s we were getting choked up by miles of smoke plume…… from southern florida.

no idea if Italian/Spanish fires will smoke their way to your doorstep across the channel this time but nevertheless it’s still plenty serious

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376625#Comment_119376625

Most fires are started by people not all.

And regardless of whether naturally occurring or not the climate change has only lended to forest fires being ever more frequent and wider spreading as the climate gets hotter and the forestry gets drier.

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376625#Comment_119376625

How about the Uk breaking temperature records within just a few years of each other. But that's ok because we all remember hot summers back in the day, and something about weather maps being made to look more scary now.

Nothing to see here lads.....

EOQRTL

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376587#Comment_119376587

Here's some breaking news for you, fires have been around since the start of time nuclear reactors haven't.

Maybe have a good old think to yourself before you post next time.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376693#Comment_119376693

Who cares if there are fires so long as they are not approaching residential areas? It is well known that nature quickly recovers in burnt areas, it's not like we've lost these areas forever.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376938#Comment_119376938

Actually they can be quite beneficial.

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376927#Comment_119376927

You sound like the person trying to work out why they are reading heavier on the weighing scales.

Ohh it must be because its a different time of day or its because I ate an hour ago, the weighing scales must not be reading correctly....

The experts and scientists know a lot more than we do on these matters and they are sure that global temperatures are rising fast. They are predicting dire consequences because of this. I wish you were right and its all a load of cr**p, it would make things easier for us all.

But normally the experts and scientists in the field are more clued in than us randomers on the internet. And I fear that this will become more apparent in the comming years.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376938#Comment_119376938

It doesn't seem you thought about this post: what does Nuclear energy being technological have to do with rebutting my sarcasm?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119373415#Comment_119373415

Yeah the little Green men are a Green army too. Ecological munitions. Care about the climate don't start a needless war. Destroying cities that need to be rebuilt definitely Green that. 🤔

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119362070#Comment_119362070

Absolutely not - this thread is well worth a read: New doubt cast on Ireland's hottest temperature - Page 3 — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

Certain quarters would love to cast doubt on the weather records of the past, it's an agenda.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119378736#Comment_119378736

It's not the Technology I have an issue with. All it would take is a few landowners that took up the hobby to get into a competition. It's hotter on my land. The mistake is thinking people are honest. At least now we can verify the data, Albeit next to a runway or airport thats a heat trap.

Eduard Khil

California had apocalyptic wildfires so did a lot of the Pacific North West of America in the past few years Australia too it depends how the media spin such stories on whether it's a nonstory random occurrence or a climate change weather phenomenon.

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119378736#Comment_119378736

What's the agenda, make the planet uninhabitable for humans?

TheTruth89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371664#Comment_119371664

The human race is literally cancer to the planet, and whether in our lifetime or the next we will eventually destroy it... Just have a think about how many things we produce and how much materials these things take to produce, factor in that we exponentially want more and more as we are all greedy ****, Things dont even have to be broken any more to replace them you could have a perfectly good 2015 car and they ll go again and produce a another one because someone's greed and sense of entitlement makes them want a new one.

And that's just cars do that scenario with every other thing we use from a day to day basis from food to clothes and everything in between....factor in then that there are billions of us doing that and it starts to paint a pretty grim picture.

The bottom line is it simply isnt sustainable we are painting over the cracks here with our feel good approach to reducing our carbon footprint all the while countries like india, china ect wipe out our efforts in the blink of an eye its a waste of time... the best thing for this planet would be for a massive amount of us to be wiped off it.

Greentopia

Short answer-yes. We've wasted decades when this should have been dealt with and have read climate scientists who say we've gone past the point of no return so it's just a matter of adapting as best we can until...we can't. Only have to read some comments here to see why politicians have not been forced to make the drastic cuts needed in emissions. Thank god I never had any kids and that I'm middle aged now is all I can say as I dread to think what catastrophes are awaiting us in the next half century. AMOC that may be nearing a shutdown for example.

Have decided I'm not going to worry any more about this as there's nothing I can do about it and I already live a low carbon lifestyle so just going to enjoy whatever time I have left on this earth.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379017#Comment_119379017

Thats never going to happen though. You mean for this amount of people with the way of life we have buying crap we don't need. Easiest thing we could do is take planned obsolescence away. Yes companies would hate that. Move away from Plastic crap use metal or wood. I remember the greens banging on in the day about paper. So what did we do.. move to plastic. Now plastic is bad and back to Paper straws. It's almost like the Greens have no idea what they are on about. Cutting the rainforest down for paper was bad but seems to be fine now to export beef.

TheTruth89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375039#Comment_119375039

You might want to take 2 steps back ted and have a quick look at the bigger picture, get the cogs turning.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379213#Comment_119379213

Alternative energy can cut fossil fuel use to around 20% of current levels. That's a huge reduction in emissions with zero impact on deliverable energy.

Alternative energy is a viable path to addressing climate change even with current technology. We are not in fear of running out of fossil fuel for essential backup if we roll out alternatives to do the majority of the heavy lifting.

If we don't do this the next two generations will be dealing with constant natural disasters brough on by climate change, and the recovery from each disaster will slowly bleed our economies dry.

BruteStock

The recent record breaking temp in the UK is misleading because it was taken at Gatwick Airport. As you will know from going on Holidays , the runway is far hotter than anywhere else. Going back to 2019 the UK record was taken in a botanical garden , another location with artificially generated heat.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379584#Comment_119379584

I can assure you from personal family reports from the UK that temps were very exceptional across most of the country. The headline figures were accurate. Data records always account for local exceptional conditions and what is most relevant is how much the temp diverges from the norm at any given location. Back in the early 2000's WattsupWithThat tried to claim that urban heat island effects accounted for all of global warming - they even went to the extent of producing a scientific paper. The only unfortunate thing was that when they analyzed their own data it confirmed that the official records compensated for land use changes and urban heat island effects and their own data confirmed global warming at all the "problematic" stations they examined.

firemansam4

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379584#Comment_119379584

The temperature that day hit over 40c in 2 locations. It hit 40.3 in Coningsby, Lincolnshire as well.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379584#Comment_119379584

Where did you manage to dig that piece of crap up from?????

NiceFella

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119378315#Comment_119378315

We have a problem with virtually every westernized countrie too when it comes to climate change.

Canada's tar sands oil extraction is probably the most destructive oil production project on the planet for the environment. That's a liberal democracy for God sake. So maybe these guys aren't that sane either.

The problem isn't about sanity in my opinion, it's greed and ignorance that doesn't subside until its literally too late. All country's need to wake up and stop pointing the finger and get the finger out because we are through if we don't. That's the reality.

TheTruth89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379213#Comment_119379213

The real thing is we consume a mind boggling amount of raw material for absolute unnecessary bullshit year in year out do we need a new fleet of cars every single year? do we need to be relentlessly pumping out iPhone? absolutely not but people need there status fix. On the sheer amount of stuff we use alone it can never be sustained.

Labaik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371813#Comment_119371813

Same place were the energy comes from to charge all those electric cars?

Labaik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379814#Comment_119379814

Lol. The media basically treats the masses like sheep that cannot think for themselves.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379027#Comment_119379027

What phone are you using? What car do you drive? How do you heat your home? Etc..

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119382363#Comment_119382363

Is there a how to deal with a climate doom-monger ?

Labaik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119382424#Comment_119382424

That would go against the narrative surely. A balanced debate with facts from both sides of the argument is sadly a thing of the past in the world of journalists i mean activists.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119382424#Comment_119382424

Listen to what he is saying with a real open mind and then agree with him. You are doomed you just don't know enough to realize it yet.

TheTruth89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119381713#Comment_119381713

Where do the materials for those items come from or the energy to support the process that makes them or the supply chain to get them to people or the infrastructure required to store them? The necessity for nonsense items and large volumes of it is certainly impacting and driving climate change.

Wont have to worry about an economy if the climate is in a heap, putting the economy first is what's created the situation in the first place but with greed rampant and the need for status more than ever i don't see any of it changing and the papering over the cracks effort to stem climate change is a hollow gesture at best.

You only have to look at Irish society glutenous excessive status driven lifestyles. Look at the size of some of the houses and stuff being built mansions being built only for 2 people and a dog to live in em. And we want to talk about sustainable living? It's laughable.

The whole set up is fucked from the ground up and it will only end in disaster.

TheTruth89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119382391#Comment_119382391

I have a Samsung , drive a big 3.0 diesel and burn turf timber and coal for heating ect

Just because I'm not doing what I'm talking about doesn't make it any less true. And is a strawman attempt at discrediting.

patnor1011

Whole agenda made some sense when it was driven by the likes of Greenpeace who tried to go after companies and corporations and fought against pollution.

It completely lost any meaning when it was hijacked by rich people hiding behind countless "non profit" and NGO's who started attacking individuals and blaming the people.

Most of the pollution is caused by companies who are constantly on the rush to maximize profit.

monseiur

Predictions of apocalyptic events that would result in the extermination of humanity, a collapse of civilization or the destruction of the planet have been made for 1000's of years. In the past many of the predictions were religious related and often quoted the Bible eg. Last Judgement - The Second Coming of Christ. Others have been theorised by various scientists. Very little research has been done into why people make apocalytic predictioins. Some have beed done to divert attention away from actual crises like poverty, war, pushing political agendas etc. Polls conducted in the UK 7 years ago found that up to 24% beleived that the world would end in their lifetime. Belief in dooms day senarios is observed to be more prevelant in people with low level of education, low household incomes and those under the age of 35 Humans have an innate fascination with fear.

The prevalence of media / communication methods in the modern secular world has created a culture which encourages the embracement of a future that will be drastically different from the present - such culture has given rise in popularity of predictions such as climate change and the rise in prevelance of prophets of doom such as Greta Thunberg who, sadly, has her own mental illness to contend with. Beware of false prophets !

The reality is that our planet is 4 to 5 billion years old (Yes BILLION !) according to the so called experts. It has ''metamorphised'' many times and continues to do so, it's an ever ending process - indeed it can't stand still. Years of boiling hot periods, ice ages etc. have formed the planet we currently enjoy (or not) today. What caused the last ice age and more importantly what caused the climate change that caused that very ice to melt 10 to 12,000 years ago ??? I don't think somehow that human activity had any bearing on it. Certain humans are convinced that they are the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end - the sad reality is that we are, like a microscopic sand grain in the Sahara desert...only passing through.

TheTruth89

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119384448#Comment_119384448

Ah yes anyone that gives any credence to climate change must suffer from some form of mental illness.. and humans with our mass industry surely couldn't even have the slightest impact on it at all I mean its just outlandish! Producing mass amounts of consumer products and waste ect... Not to mention the world is more on fire than ever before... nothing to see here folks

Atlantic Dawn

Firestarters, twisted firestarters...

Two forest fires that broke out in northwest France last week were caused by arson, prosecutors said today, taking to three the total of deliberately started blazes in recent weeks.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0725/1312053-china-world-heatwave-climate/

cezanne

All the so called woke eco warriors left a fair bit of rubbish at the music festival called Glasto they preach but they dont practice a bit like Prince Harry ! Love listening to themselves but actually do **** all. I am an older person and do a lot more than any of them. I am careful about water and consumption & litter i burn eco friendly fuel in my stove no oil I cycle and walk. They do nothing but peddle piffle !

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119384448#Comment_119384448

People are concerned about the next 100 years, not the next 1000000. It's going to be pretty **** unless you are insulated by wealth from it all and/or have no kids.

Labaik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119386351#Comment_119386351

When I was in school in the 90s they told me that the Netherlands would be under water within the next 20 years from climate change and the melting ice caps. Pretty sure its still on the Atlas.

Labaik

What is a country like Ireland with half the population of New Jersey going to achieve even if it had zero emissions? It would make absolutely zero difference to the planet.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119386430#Comment_119386430

Ah! But the Dutch have been genetically modified. Their fingers have got bigger.