Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Longstand14

This state does not take immigration control remotely serious, it never has. Even basic measures such as a specific number or contact to report illegal immigration for the public.

There are 1000s of illegals in this country, people who entered state illegally, failed IP applicants, people out of permissions. No follow up, nothing will be done. Even illegal's convicted of criminality don’t get deported. Look at the number of “enforced deportations” for the last year….17. Just under 20% of of all prisoners in the state are non Irish.

A lot of talk about our immigration/IP obligations under the UN, the US, Australia, Denmark, Poland etc all signed the same agreement. However, each country has an immigration system with checks and controls.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113546#Comment_120113546

yeah why not put a limit on it, but i don't know how it can be applied. and if i'm understanding the situation correctly, i don't think it's possible to put a limit in place as we are signed up to conventions etc. that allow people to claim asylum here and then protocol has to be followed. there's also no easy way of getting rid of people quickly if they have no documents, you can't put them on planes with no passports etc.

i mean the UK thought brexit would solve their immigration problem but they're getting 10s of 1000s of them crossing the channel still, and they still have to hold them for a period of time.

maybe the gov should be building holding centres where people can be kept until they are processed.

slay55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113543#Comment_120113543

I think you’re doing an amazing job and credit to you. Let’s hope the groups get bigger and bigger !

Jinglejangle69

Government and the do gooders still don’t get it.

Irish people don’t like being lied to and taken for fools by scam artists pretending they are fleeing a war.

Thats it. That’s basically the whole point of all this.

We are been taken for mugs.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113543#Comment_120113543

Its not JUST chanting.

Its chanting outside peoples homes to get the people out.

Do you not actually see that chanting "get them out" at peoples homes about the people living there actually loses you support?

Is someone stood outside the house where I live chanting "get them out" - of course I would feel intimidated. I would feel scared, sick to my stomach, terrified, worried.

bertieinexile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113585#Comment_120113585

Thanks for that. Come and support the locals. As of now there's

Clondalkin: Ibis roundabout tomorrow Monday 5pm

Ballymun: Opposite Lidl Wednesday 5pm

Finglas: Bargaintown Wednesday 5pm

East Wall: Wednesday 5pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113411#Comment_120113411

Funny enough your last few lines are accurately describing a lefty southsider colleague of mind who is outraged on twitter about the activities of the far right.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113706#Comment_120113706

yes most of the people on reddit ireland appear to be totally against these protest and see the protesters as scumbags, as i'm sure you've noticed. it's a much younger demographic than here.

you'll get cheered on here because you're playing to the choir but you need to realise not everyone has the same opinion as you, boards.ie is a middle aged men with mostly the same views on everything echo chamber.

bertieinexile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113608#Comment_120113608

The guys giving protestors the finger obviously didn't feel "scared, sick to their stomach, terrified or worried".

That's a good question about how the chanting can be portrayed to the general public. Does it lose support?

The real answer is the one no one on your side wants to hear. On that day in Ballymun questions of good strategy didn't come in to it. Despite everything you need to tell yourselves, that wasn't a controlled or organised protest. The crowd chanted because that's what the crowd did.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113736#Comment_120113736

I guarantee you would feel the same as I have just outlined if someone was outside your house chanting to get you and your family out. Its weird. You almost want to dehumanise these people.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113757#Comment_120113757

people chanting out out out at people in hotels is what i'd call obnoxious, dangerous even

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113798#Comment_120113798

trust me they'll be delighted they got very much under the skin of a rereg boardsie

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113813#Comment_120113813

i don't get it though, as i've said i'll live beside the one in east wall soon enough. how is that going to affect my life?

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113608#Comment_120113608

Gardai first. I'd get the hose at them next and then maybe a bat after that. I'd do a lot more than give them the finger and I'm not a violent person but I think that'd tip me over. I couldn't see myself just laughing it off.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113790#Comment_120113790

Im genuinely interested in why someone would think it isnt intimidation.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113830#Comment_120113830

of course it's bloody intimidation, you're not talking to reasonable people here

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113706#Comment_120113706

Looking at the sign in that picture, it’s not clear what their problem is, looks like ‘Ballymun says no concerned parents’…

🤔

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113847#Comment_120113847

there were no concerned parents until some fordiners moved in

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113837#Comment_120113837

Im trying to have a reasonable civil discussion to tease it out. A lot of the problem in all these discussions are people talk at each other but dont listen to each other.

I'm genuinely interested to find out what the thought process is for thinking its not intimidation.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113830#Comment_120113830

People have hypocritical standards. Women are being intimidated on a daily basis for questioning whether women can have a penis and men can have a vagina. Death threats, doxxing and violence is all fine if it’s for the “right” reasons.

farmingquestion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113850#Comment_120113850

There's been plenty of foreigners moved in and there were no protests?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113880#Comment_120113880

Thats whataboutery that is nothing to do with anything in this discussion.

Lots of skirting around and whataboutery.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113894#Comment_120113894

Just pointing out double standards.

farmingquestion

Those who don't understand where the protesters are coming from. Look at it this way.

How much money have you given to refugees?

Why don't you house refugees in your house?

"I don't have any money to donate."

"I don't have any room to take in a refugee"

"I've taken in a refugee, I don't have the space for any more"

"I rent and can't take in any refugees"

What you are saying is you do not have the resources to support the refugees. The country as a whole does not have the resources to support this level of refugees and more.

We don't have the houses for the people who already live here nevermind taking in more.

We don't have the health service capacity to support the people already here nevermind taking in more.

The only people who can possibly support the level of refugees we have now are homeowners and those with private healthcare/healthy.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113884#Comment_120113884

See that’s how people know that protesters like yourself don’t represent them. People from areas like Ballymun can take a joke 😒

bertieinexile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113865#Comment_120113865

Let me just check if I'm getting through here.

Do you accept that, however you feel about the chanting in front of this centre in Ballymun, there wasn't anyone there you could take it up with. There was no one controlling the protest, no one there with a strategy you can be annoyed with.

No shadowy Right Wing actors leading the protestors.

Beasty

xxxxxxl threadbanned

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113697#Comment_120113697

Gaelscoileanna were the perfect invention for the lefty middle class. They could all keep up the facade that gaelscoileanna were about supporting a language that they hadn't a word of, but understanding that the working and migrant classes do not send their children there.

All the benefits of private education but without the costs.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113837#Comment_120113837

Of course it's intimidation and it's also effective at getting in the news.

The protesters could stand outside the dail with every other ten-a-penny group and not make a ripple.

Being obnoxious gets you attention, sadly.

bertieinexile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120113974#Comment_120113974

Scoil lán-Ghaeilge, Scoil lán-bhán.