Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207814#Comment_120207814

I wonder will they invite Nigel farage as a guest speaker this time. Because nothing screams Irish patriot more than inviting an elitist Brit who thinks little old Ireland should know her place and shut up. He did get paid £100 for saying Tiocfaidh ár lá and up the ra in a cameo video so who knows maybe he’s changed his tune…

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208090#Comment_120208090

Nige would be timid compared to what they usually have as guest speakers.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/arrested-german-coup-politician-was-guest-speaker-at-irish-freedom-party-conference-42206718.html

But but but these are just organic protests. 😂

.Donegal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208017#Comment_120208017

Would you consider the referendum on gay marriage and abortion rights as woke? Which was passed by a majority of the “normal” electorate?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208069#Comment_120208069

It would probably be correct to describe the bulk of the Irish anti-immigration guys as 'right wing populists'....they invariably are anti establishment, anti-media, anti-elite, climate change deniers, anti-vaccine, anti lockdown and claim to be defending their national culture from 'outsiders'. Interestingly though, they have a section of 'left wing Irish republicans' operating alongside them - these would not be your current SF voters.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208039#Comment_120208039

SF are overtly populist

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208109#Comment_120208109

You forgot “ anti trans “

important to stuff as many stereotypes in as possible when maligning a political foe

DaithiMa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208109#Comment_120208109

Are you talking about the protestors only or is it anyone that thinks the government has made and continues to make a total mess of this situation?

The latest Sunday Independent poll shows that 56% of people that responded think we have already taken in too many refugees/asylum seekers and our government is planning for another 80-100k.

That's a big 'bulk' of people who responded to that poll you are tarring as "anti-media, anti-elite, climate change deniers, anti-vaccine, anti lockdown and claim to be defending their national culture from 'outsiders'."

I have zero problems with immigrants or genuine refugees and by the way, i'm vaccinated, I've had boosters and I get all my media from reputable sources etc.

What I do have a problem with is the absolutely shambolic way Roderic O'Gorman has managed the situation. Some of the protestors have acted disgracefully but that still doesn't mean that O'Gorman's ineptitude shouldn't be highlighted at every opportunity.

Dismissing everyone that has an issue with our insane immigration policy (and completely out of their depth politicians) as anti this and anti that is not going to do any good. Common ground needs to be found. If that doesn't happen soon, this situation is going to get a lot worse.

*Edited to correct figures

BoxcarWilliam99

Iv heard and seen a few times how Ireland has taken in with the exception of Germany the highest number of Ukrainian refugees in Western Europe.

Obviously Eastern European neighbors of Ukraine are taking in the most but this is related to Western European countries.

Even though we are furthest away.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208168#Comment_120208168

I'm slightly dubious about that 56% figure. The question as asked in the poll yesterday was quite a leading one - 'too many refugees' in relation to or in comparison to what exactly?

It would be like them asking 'Is the Taoiseach paid too much money?' Again I'd ask, too much in relation to what....other European PMs, other Irish ministers, the average Irish working wage, wages in the public sector, people on social welfare....what exactly?

On the issue of O'Gorman, he is not even responsible for immigration and how many people enter the country. That falls on the cabinet and the Dept of Justice. His job is to find accommodation for those who have already entered.

DaithiMa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208209#Comment_120208209

I had a feeling you would try to pick holes in the poll, that's what usually happens when they give a result that makes for uncomfortable reading.

So do you think there is room for another 80-100k refugees and asylum seekers?

Did you not see that some were being put out onto the streets on arrival over the last two weeks?

I never claimed O'Gorman was responsible for immigration policy, that would be the other 'out of their depth' politicians I was referring to.

However, there is no doubt that O'Gorman has failed spectacularly on his remit when it comes to accommodating refugees, unless you consider schools, lecture theatres, tents and sports halls, or any building that could acommodate 'sleeping bags on floors' as viable.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063363.html

*Edited to correct figures.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208244#Comment_120208244

My reading of the poll is that it must refer to Ukrainian refugees (i.e. "too many refugees") which immediately blows a whole in much of the refugees arriving without documents arguments, as it seems it's actually the Ukrainian numbers that people have a problem with.

I actually agree that the Govt have made a hames of the accommodation issue. They have moved very, very slowly and often failed to take up offers of accommodation that were being made by members of the public and also seem to be poor at planning ahead - there's no excuse for any of that.

jmayo

this site has gone to shyte - how do you delete a post ?

DaithiMa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208285#Comment_120208285

Do you think we can fit in another 80-100k, be they Ukrainian refugees or asylum seekers from other countries, given the current situation and the potential loss of thousands of hotel beds for the tourist season?

Or do you not think we should take a step back and formulate some sort of plan? It hardly makes sense to keep ploughing on regardless and accepting huge numbers we cannot look after properly.

*Edited to correct figures.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206369#Comment_120206369

There is a bit of the

"let them eat cake"

off this post.

There really is a growing disconnect in this country.

"Buy a house" you say.

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208334#Comment_120208334

I'd like to buy one but no matter how hard I save the prices rise quicker and the money I do save is losing value quicker again.

There aren't many houses available and I must also compete with the county council who can outbid me for eternity.

Unfortunately life on the ground is not good for many. And with projections of construction slow downs and increased numbers of refugees it looks like it will get worse.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208285#Comment_120208285

To be honest, given the length of stays involved that might have been an inadvertent stroke of fortune. It was never a good medium term strategy to have families house sharing because it was obviously an open ended commitment.

Most people could see this tbh.

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208375#Comment_120208375

Despite all the propaganda about "Ukraine winning" there seems to be no end in sight to this mess, and little is said about those people who took in Ukrainians, thinking this would be all over in a few months. So as well as hotels wanting their rooms back, there may well be a surge in households wanting their privacy back. And faced with the prospect of this war/reconstruction dragging on for years, its unclear how many new households will come forward this time round.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208320#Comment_120208320

It's a very tricky one and there are no easy answers. Nobody can deny that the Ukrainian refugee situation has put huge pressures on accommodation here (and may well have put an unwelcome and unnecessary focus on the 'regular' asylum system here, when that mightn't have happened otherwise).

Having said all that, war in Europe in the 21st century is an unprecedented event. Many EU countries have had to handle the exact same refugee fallout.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207895#Comment_120207895

😜...

DaithiMa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208454#Comment_120208454

You can skirt around it if you like but at the end of the day it is a numbers vs resources situation and the sums don't add up.

For me, it is completely obvious that there is no way we can take in over double the amount that have arrived already in the next 11 months.

As has been pointed out already, O'Gorman wants to put refugees in sleeping bags on classroom floors and that's with 80k here (and thousands of those are in hotels that may soon revert to tourism).

Another 180k arrivals means we'll need to find temporary accommodation for 260k by the end of the year.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41055347.html

Some 'government officials' are also now saying we can expect over half of the Ukrainian refugees to stay after the war has finished. So that will mean finding permanent housing for them too while we are mired in a housing crisis.

It is great to be compassionate and all but at the end of the day, we don't have the resources to accept the suggested numbers over the next year.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere, unless you think having tented refugee camps all over the country is a satisfactory outcome for both refugees and ourselves.

Or do you think we should decimate our tourism industry and fill up every hotel bed in the country with asylum seekers and refugees?

They look the most viable options if this madness is allowed to continue unabated.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208560#Comment_120208560

Ah don't worry what's another 10k on social housing, its not like that's an entire year's supply...

buried

Win Win. They can build it and then fill it up with multitudes of lads who came here on their passportless mode of transport, The bicycle.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208320#Comment_120208320

Do you think we can fit in another 180k

I think that's the total predicted to be in the country by the end of the year rather than the number coming in in 2023

https://gript.ie/senior-civil-servants-predict-180k-asylum-seekers-by-years-end-report/

Top Irish civil servants believe that as many as 180,000 asylum seekers could be resident in the country by the end of 2023

I believe this is the predicted number of migrants

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/government-should-plan-for-over-80000-migrants-to-come-into-ireland-this-year-new-integration-minister-joe-obrien-42306580.html

open to correction here...

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208804#Comment_120208804

do you think we can fit another 80 to 100,000?

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208824#Comment_120208824

Not if we are to provide them with any reasonable standard of living, no....

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120207670#Comment_120207670

Serious question. Would ye consider putting candidates forward in the next election and then accepting the will of the people?

jackboy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208804#Comment_120208804

Yes but the government have said the influx of migrants is permanent, so we will be taking in large numbers permanently. It won’t end next year, there are other wars and climate migration so we are looking at these numbers every year going forward.

DaithiMa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208804#Comment_120208804

You are correct, I got the figures mixed up. My mistake and apologies for that. I was sure I saw an article with the 180k figure but clearly not.

The overall point still stands though. Even another 10k would be difficult, let alone 80-100k.

BoxcarWilliam99

International law states that someone who has entered a country and makes a claim for protection is entitled to stay until that claim has been processed. Even those who enter illegally (ie false passport, lost passport etc)

In Ireland if a claim for asylum is rejected and after appeal rejected again the onus is on the individual to remove themselves from the state!. And the state cannot give accurate figures as to how many actually leave.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120208930#Comment_120208930

One factor there is that a person who leaves the state has no obligation to inform anyone how and when they are leaving. 'Immigration' is literally only concerned with those who are entering. The state can only assume they must have left if they are no longer dealing with their claim.