Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Thelonious Monk · 10-01-2023 3:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120089852#Comment_120089852

You know damn well the same scumbags weren't at Thiago or Urantsetseg’s vigils that are shouting out out out at migrants.

Strazdas · 10-01-2023 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090174#Comment_120090174

Do you accept that population growth in a country is not "abnormal" or "an aberration"? Ireland's population has been growing consistently for the last 60 years at least. The idea that Ireland will become "overpopulated" or "unsustainable" is laughable, given its current small size. Demographers think the population of the Republic is very unlikely to go over 6m in the next thirty to forty years.

farmingquestion · 10-01-2023 3:35pm

Ireland is not full...says man while refugees live in corporate boxes at Croke Park.

The same pricks who are in favour of flooding the country with refugees will be the same pricks who'll be on twitter in 2 years time blaming Irish men for the murder or rape of an Irish woman by someone who came in without their papers telling us we need to be educated better about women in school.

TomTomTim · 10-01-2023 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090208#Comment_120090208

the idea that Ireland will become "overpopulated" or "unsustainable" is laughable, given its current small size.

This is borderline insanity. Land mass means little when we can't even support the people who are already here. What part of that exactly are you struggling with? Do you think that the government has a magic wand or something? Where they can just conjure up hundreds of thousands of houses and all the resources needed for this ever growing population?

Danzy · 10-01-2023 3:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090174#Comment_120090174

Our local PbP rep is very environmentally conscious, an eco Socialist is the self descriptor.

Wants sustainable low carbon housing, against plantation timber, which is what they'll use though and need vast quantities of. Her father has a farm planted with it. I'm personally don't like Sitka plantation deserts but I understand why they are grown from a housing and environmental position.

Her father out bid a local couple on a house in June, a fixer upper, he fixed it up in to 3 apartments and there are 9 Ukrainians there, they are nice people in it, he adds another House to his rental collection, one that pays at a rate that others couldn't.

Between herself and the brother they'll be inheriting several houses each, land and a business.

She will benefit her support for this extreme free market experiment. Her delusional childish politics will allow that to be framed as solidarity.

Infrastructure forget that, dump more in shortly, and on and on. "Solidarity" is a market rebranding for the most aggressive neo liberal economics and most passionately backed by Anti capitalists and their daddies.

Danno · 10-01-2023 3:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090208#Comment_120090208

That old hat thinking about forever growth is totally incompatible with the brave new green world we are headed for. Less people = less emissions. It really is that simple.

Danzy · 10-01-2023 4:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090060#Comment_120090060

What has reality got to do with this?

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 4:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120089485#Comment_120089485

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tinytobe · 10-01-2023 4:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090366#Comment_120090366

Well, people have to sleep somewhere. You do and they also do, but where, if there's nothing left?

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 4:22pm

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 4:23pm

robbiezero · 10-01-2023 4:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120089814#Comment_120089814

I saw on Twitter a while back, Dan Boyle of the Greens counter some argument by saying that if Ireland was as densely populated as the Netherlands we could support 37 million people.

Imagine the amount of concrete, houses, roads etc, the environmental damage, the size of the human footprint that would be required to support 37 million people on this island, and a "Green" Party member thinking this would be a good idea.

Danzy · 10-01-2023 4:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090452#Comment_120090452

Well I suppose your position on this comes from your snobbery.

While the residents are coming from an area with a long history of class activism and pushing back at the powers that be.

jmayo · 10-01-2023 4:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120089729#Comment_120089729

The thing you don't appear to be able to grasp is organic population growth over years where more people stay, lower emigration, more immigrants enter the country to work, meaning more kids over time and an ever increasing population can be managed somewhat.

What is going on at the moment is just adding huge numbers of non working (often unskilled and uneducated) people without any means of support bar using state supports suddenly entering the country.

It is fooking madness.

Our state institutions cannot cope with our existing numbers as evidenced over the last couple of decades of health, education and latterly housing difficulties.

Investment in public services have not risen to meet our existing population, never mind the near 100k that came in over the last year, all of which need some public services or other.

Added to the above lots of these arrivals offer nothing, but social problems as evidenced by other European countries, it is sowing the seeds of destruction of our society as we know it.

And a bunch of fooking muppets just want to keep adding to it.

Fooking sheer lunacy.

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 5:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090543#Comment_120090543

Oh come on im playing logic games with you. t Im not a snob at all

Ballymun has had millions poured into it it was totally redeveloped since 1997. New houses and even more promised between now and 2025.

There is a point to be made that Ballymun has been improved a lot. They got the housing in Balcurris and Coultry only in 2017. They got 10k more dwellings.

It was allocated a budget of One BILLION.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revamp-to-cost-500m-more-than-was-planned-26427749.html

It's NOT ALL doom and gloom. You have to be positive!

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 5:12pm

The largest urban renewal scheme ever undertaken

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/a-record-urban-renewal-project-1.1133777

2.5 billion it says here...

Im not saying the people of ballymun don't deserve it.

I think there might be deeper social issues.

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 5:24pm

So like was it the refugees who demolished the shopping centre before building a new one in ballymun??

Was it the refugees who bankrupt us all in 2008??

Don't think so.

I mean where are the specific protests to the actual problems of the area??

The biggest issue is the shopping centre is not done and they demolished the old before it was finished ...

Beasty · 10-01-2023 5:29pm

Bobblehats threadbanned

Beasty · 10-01-2023 5:33pm

high_tower threadbanned

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 6:06pm

How did we get to a point where we put one type of refugee over another?

TomTomTim · 10-01-2023 6:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090923#Comment_120090923

How did we get to the point where people can't tell the difference between genuine refugees and people who are chancing their arm?

"a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster"

Most of your "refugees" don't tick any of the above boxes.

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 6:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090938#Comment_120090938

Well, then I thank you, for conceiving of me as the naïve type.

I must accept that in your view, it is an astute judgement on your part.

But we must admit there are bound to be some genuine non white non Ukrainian refugees. I mean Syria at the very least is going through the same if not worse as Ukraine, as it's the same man who is doing it.

Danzy · 10-01-2023 6:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090758#Comment_120090758

It was radical free market fanatics and neo liberal fanatics that bankrupted us.

You were against people like that then but you are cheerleading them now?

ILoveYourVibes · 10-01-2023 6:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120091008#Comment_120091008

What bankrupted us was a mixture of corruption and allowing banks to lend against collateral that wasn't actually really a part of the Irish GDP but was rather multinationals using our corporate tax rate. (which we still do to an extent)

I don't know why you might think I have such an unbalanced view of economics as to wish to repeat it.

But we are both agreed it certainly was not refugees not builders. And I'm not sure it has anything to do with the current situation nor refugees?

Unless you want to find one?

What has it to do with refugees. And it was over 15 yrs ago now. We have to get over things.

FIFTEEN YEARS!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090210#Comment_120090210

Oh please this mansplaining of how women are assaulted to women is really off topic.

titan18 · 10-01-2023 6:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120088699#Comment_120088699

Funny how when they all migrate, loads of them end up trying to scam people at tourist sites. I always found it funny how it's the same nationalities doing that. Must be something about the culture, and reading account of people who've travelled to North Africa (particularly women), i wouldn't be inviting them in here anyway.

Danno · 10-01-2023 6:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090938#Comment_120090938

This is more to the point. We are way too lax about who we admit. We are taking in so many that we cannot give the genuine refugees the service they deserve. We rarely deport and when we finally get around to doing that it's years later and often the media whip up a sob story to strong arm the minister into ruling against deportation.

We need to be able to process arrivals with in a few days, if that cannot be done it should be automatic deportation.

Danno · 10-01-2023 6:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120091069#Comment_120091069

And to add to the above - We need to be able to process arrivals with in a few days, if that cannot be done it should be automatic deportation.

The reason there is no swiftness in the system is because there are too many of our own professions leeching off the system. Legal professions, NGOs, etc... all getting tidy sums to keep their show going at our expense. They don't care a jot for the migrants or refugees, only what money they can generate from the system put in place for them.