#IrelandIsFull trending on twitter... Have we reached boiling point?

Pussyhands

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484970#Comment_119484970

Terrible take tbh.

It's like saying a 60 seater bus with 60 people on it isn't full because they have 70 seater buses elsewhere.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484970#Comment_119484970

If you think that's good, wait until you see the population density of Antarctica!

I have to admit that sometimes I wonder whether it's pure ignorance, or stupidity that's the problem. It's hard to tell.

"Capacity" is not simply about volume of space.

BobDole22

Twitter algorithms being manipulated by a few unemployed virgins who follow littler Barrett.

Wezz

I'm a "non national" whatever that is. I'm not Irish, my girlfriend is not Irish. We both work and pay taxes here in jobs that were advertised in our home country at jobs expos due to lack of uptake by Irish people. Both are important jobs so we are doing you a favour by being here. Personally I don't worry, I'm working hard and paying my own way and that's all anyone can do. I've had a few comments that we are taking a rental property from an Irish person but tend to ignore that kind of crap. I do worry long term if we might find some hostility but I can't worry about that. We've travelled a lot and everywhere we have lived so far we have never had any issues with anyone over not being a native. That said I don't think Irish people are racist, everyone has been very welcoming and friendly in a way that we haven't had elsewhere. It's just the loudest voices on Twitter tend to be the extremist ones.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484991#Comment_119484991

I know why we get low applications.

But I assume you and your ilk now realise why saying that Ireland is "full" is just moronic.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485013#Comment_119485013

Apply that logic to the housing situation, the education situation, the healthcare situation.

"Stupid"?

Subzero3

#Irelandisfull

About time people cottoned on. Enough is enough.

Now which politician will have the cajones to lead the worried tax payers into the next election. One thing for sure they will get my vote if they stay up to this sham been forced on us by the EU.

batman_oh

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Wezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485027#Comment_119485027

Full to who though? Cause as someone who isn't Irish but lives here I'm wondering if that means I should piss off too?

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485010#Comment_119485010

While the shining light of wisdom that is "everything is racism, no reality" is the path to the future despite the multiple crises founded on there being too many people.

As said, reciting psalms of racism isn't going to fix these crises. To the contrary, it has created them.

BailMeOut

Twitter users are not representative of Ireland.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485039#Comment_119485039

Full to anyone who isnt here already I presume.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485052#Comment_119485052

You're right - twitter users tend to be far more liberal than the populace at large.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484970#Comment_119484970

The population of Greater Manchester alone is 4 million people.

I assume "Manchester is full" isn't trending on Twitter over there.

lawred2

I've heard murmurings from people whom I'd never have heard anything from before. Not sure it's just the usual cohorts.

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485092#Comment_119485092

Does Manchester have an open door immigration policy for Ukrianinans et al? A policy that invites people in to get access to resources it could hardly provide before for Mancunians, Health care, housing ect?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

#Irelandisfull

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485138#Comment_119485138

We're one of the least populated countries in western Europe. Describing such a country as being "full" is a bit preposterous. We're four times the size of Wales and they have a population of over 3 million (and that's a poor country with limited resources).

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485052#Comment_119485052

No, they aren't.

But the housing crisis is representative of Ireland. The education and healthcare situation is representative of Ireland, and more besides.

And all those significant problems have one thing at their foundation; too many people.

growleaves

Concerns about stress on infastructure and labour protectionism go unaddressed and are waved away with dishonest accusations of racial prejudice. What's new?

The marriage of the thirst for cheap labour and leftist antiracism is fascinating to me.

Fair play to the big capitalists for leveraging leftist delusion and using leftist cultural dictators as a Praetorian Guard for their own cold hard financial logic and calculation in blowing up the labour pool and suppressing wages. Very clever.

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485197#Comment_119485197

So people sleeping in tent's is the opposite of #Irelandisfull?

Gormanstown is just a holiday camp right?

The housing crisis is playing into the escalating resentment in a massive way. Many people are incorrectly channelling frustrations towards immigrants instead of towards the policymakers where it should be channelled. Policy makers need to put the controls in place to manage the flow until we get our **** together as a country. I don't think any modelling is done to see what is needed to handle inwards immigration from a jobs and infrastructure perspective.

Precarious times, no confidence in any parties to get on top of things. There is a huge amount of self interest in Dail Eireann.

My missus is an immigrant to this country, although she came in arguably different times. 2014, more rental supply etc. That's just my 2c.

We have always been AWFUL at infrastructure. Reactive and never proactive.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485092#Comment_119485092

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485197#Comment_119485197

It's really hard to believe this stuff. Like, seriously?

This might be news to ye, but hardly anyone lives in the antarctic. Hardly anyone lives at the pinnacle of mountains. Nobody lives at the bottom of the sea. You won't find too many people living in the Sahara desert.

Now, take a moment to yourselves, and ask, WHY IS THAT?

I'll help ye along.

How many schools are on the seabed, besides schools of fish? How many hospitals are in the middle of the Sahara? How many apartment blocks are teetering off the side of kilimanjaro?

Capacity. Look up the word capacity, specifically living capacity and population capacity.

I could be wrong of course, there is no capacity for human habitation in the clouds, yet some of ye live there.

BagofWeed

Its not the immigrants that have steadfastly refused to plan for population increases. Its not the immigrants that object to almost every planned development. Its not the immigrants that refuse to acknowledge that Ireland has changed dramatically and that our planning laws needs to be completely changed. When you consistently do things the 'Irish Way' instead of the right way then expect failure.

cezanne

Ireland is over subscribed, we are 2 milion too many in fairness when you hear an 80 year woman is 34 hours on a chair in A & E ? these are realities and drawing in more non irish does not help this failing in the health service. Schools houses creches where can we facilitate more folk. The gove dont have the interest or wherewith all to solve any problems and divert scrutiny by being the champions of war refugees ! All posturing and going nowhere.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485197#Comment_119485197

Full based on current resources we have

We do not have the accommodation to house more people, the school places or teachers to teach them, the hospital capacity to treat them, the public transport capacity to move them, the energy generation for their added leccy usage, etc etc

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485291#Comment_119485291

49% of new nursing and midwifery registrants in Ireland in 2019 were from outside the EU, and nurses and midwives from India and from all over the world are central to our healthcare community and our frontline workforce.

https://inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13645#:~:text=49%25%20of%20new%20nursing%20and,community%20and%20our%20frontline%20workforce.

Should we not allow these nurses to come to Ireland will that solve our problems in hospitals?

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485293#Comment_119485293

Not a single one of these immigration defenders, go and check back, has even mentioned the existing and very much real problems.

Not one.

Pure, unadulterated ignorance. The problem is that this ignorance is having a measurable and quantifiable impact on all of us.

We're going to see where it leads soon enough, nobody will be able to play ignorant when it comes down to it.

rossie1977

Haha we have 1/4 the population of the Netherlands.

Don't give me that crap about housing. There are literally hundreds of ghost estates around the country. In my small town here in Roscommon there are dozens of unused apartments

Strumms

Saying Ireland is full isn’t racist.

however people in Ireland, taxpayers, citizens, Irish people have a concern, an extremely valid one as relates to the direction the country in heading… it’s not racist to wish to discuss that. Of course the champions and advocates for and of multiculturalism will disingenuously claim racism and all sorts.

they want to shut down discussion, it’s not in their interest to engage honestly with people as their argument for what they advocate is shambolic, see through and bull and bluster basically.

is Ireland full ? Close to being yes I think…the manner of which our population is being purposefully and consciously increased and the catalysts for it, no sign of any resistance to it by governments… it won’t be long becoming full….

its appalling really… there is no way to halt it.

Brucie Bonus

We'd Harris on RTE earlier using the Ukrainians to excuse no planning for the student accommodation crisis. There's plans now, weeks before the students arrive on campus. Why can't these politicians organise and plan ahead?

Harris and others need to stop leaning on the Ukrainians to excuse their own poor governance.

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485333#Comment_119485333

The problem is they will have to compete with other immigrants for access to a tent to live in.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485358#Comment_119485358

There are literally hundreds of ghost estates around the country. 

source?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485293#Comment_119485293

Capacity is definitely a big issue, particularly in terms of housing. But immigrants are not to blame for a housing shortage - that is 100% on the Irish government for failing to build houses for the last 15 years and failing to anticipate that the Irish population would hit 5 million.

How does the government get a free pass here and immigrants blamed instead?

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485397#Comment_119485397

Who said immigrants are to blame?

However we have these very real capacity problems right now, we are already in crisis. So to keep our open door policies at this point is madness, and will only make things worse. We have reached breaking point already, we have reached our current "full" point.

rossie1977

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485293#Comment_119485293

There is ton of housing units lying empty across the country. Last details I can find we have 16 pupils for every teacher which average for first World nation.

Public transport in my area is nearly always empty unless there is a big match in Croke Park then train is packedor Sunday night going back to college. The Westport to Athlone bus has multiple journeys per day and always empty.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485333#Comment_119485333

Spurious logic.

If this trend was oh so brilliant, then why is the fooking operating capacity of hospitals going in the opposite direction?

Here's my idea.

Let's invite in 10 million extra people next month to build houses, then we'll invite in 20 million people the next month to build houses for the 30 million arriving the next month. Sort of like a pyramid shaped plan that could never go wrong.

If we just gave everyone a million euros on earth, everyone would be rich!

If we just give everyone enough food to eat on earth, nobody will die of starvation!

And other similarly brilliant ideas, coming soon to you from the imaginations of 8 year olds.

SafeSurfer

Maybe the policy is deliberate.

Encourage more immigration when housing is already almost unavailable.

Ferment anger and direct the anger towards immigrants.

Promise immigration control in next election, something left wing parties will be reluctant to do and thus poach votes from the left.

Problem, solution.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485416#Comment_119485416

And other similarly brilliant ideas, coming soon to you from the imaginations of 8 year olds.

They are your ideas, the only one who posted them is you. Are you implying you are an 8 year old?

rossie1977

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485396#Comment_119485396

Drive around, drive to any decent sized town in Galway, Mayo, Roscommon, Offaly, Westmeath, Longford, Leitrim you will see them

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485412#Comment_119485412

16 pupils for every teacher

That is pure BS. Not a hope in hell we're close to those numbers

https://www.into.ie/2021/09/16/yet-again-oecd-report-shines-spotlight-on-supersized-primary-classes/#:~:text=The%20report%20confirms%20that%20Ireland's,pupils%20lower%20than%20in%20Ireland.

The average class size in Irish primary schools during the period of this report was 24:1, compared to the EU average of 20 pupils per class and an OECD average, as confirmed in today’s report, of 21 pupils. Countries such as Estonia, Finland and Poland fare better again with an average of less than 20 pupils per class.

And a ton of housing units lying empty across the country? Yeah right. I guess the housing crisis over the last 5 years was all made up

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485358#Comment_119485358

Jesus h christ. That's the 4th time in a row people have rushed in with that "idea"

We need to reopen asylums again.

No, literal space is a measure of nothing. Why don't you hover 1000 feet off the ground in a cloud? That's a great idea, just think of how many extra people could live in Irish airspace. Wouldn't need to pay rent, you could wear a Cape and playtime would last forever. If you got a pain in your tumtum you could float over to the cloud hospital. Good Times!

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485437#Comment_119485437

Ah, so you have no proof then. Great.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485382#Comment_119485382

Yes, if only they planned ahead of a war that everyone knew was going to happen and build all the accommodation we needed for the tens of thousands of Ukrainians.....

If you have ever heard such nonsense.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485397#Comment_119485397

The government's are the culprit, immigration is the tool used.

It's not personal, it's reality.

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485281#Comment_119485281

It's not the lions fault he was introduced into a playground of children and massacred them. It's the people who put it there that are to blame.

Regardless, the lion being there is still an existential problem. You can't separate the two.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485464#Comment_119485464

If they knew we had limited space, then why not put a cap on the number of Ukrainians given refuge here?

mustardorcustard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485464#Comment_119485464

They didn't do it for all the other people that arrived previously year after year after year after year after year after year either. Funny, it's like it was almost purposefully done!

Ukrainians are the cherry on top of the scam, highlighting the scam.

rossie1977

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485448#Comment_119485448

There is a ton yes. I will just take Roscommon as an example being its my home county. Boyle, Balla, Roscommon Town and Castlerea all have lots of unused apartments lying empty, most built during the tiger years. One of those towns has four different large apartment buildings and almost completely empty

cezanne

The government Dept of education should insist that all students whose education we pay for give a certian amount of years back to the country. They did it in the army and you had to buy your way out, then we wouldn't need the indian nurses &^ doctors. We are educating our docs & nurses for Aussie hospitals.

Wibbs

Maybe I've got a different twitter, or follow different people, but I've not seen this come up?

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119484994#Comment_119484994

Immigrants are twice as likely as paddies to require the government to pay their rent. I find that statistic incredible and a lot of people are ignorant of that fact.

https://m.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

Last year, I decided to ask the Department of Social Protection what percentage of rent supplement was paid out to non-Irish EU nationals, and non-EU nationals.

As at February of last year, the figure was 35pc. This is a remarkable total. Remember, 17pc of the population is "foreign-born", so immigrants are over-represented in the figures by two to one