Can Sinn Fein fix the housing crisis or is it beyond them or anybody else?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498493#Comment_119498493

I have two options and you scoffed at them and wanted to spend 15k on furniture wasn’t it?

As I said at the time plenty of option in Dublin….it’s not up to me to buy one for you!!!

But it is incorrect to make out on multiple threads you are blocked out of the Dublin market, you are certainly not

Housing99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498544#Comment_119498544

Some of us want to live in a socialist society comrade

@Housing99

A@Housing99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498538#Comment_119498538

The country was on its knees then and it could be done,it can mist deffo be done now......FF pedigree in Dublin (and elsewhere) for 40 years was built on its clearing inner city tenaments for new towns

It's pure shorttermism and persuit of quick profit of private interests is preventing it,upto 2 generations in power is the prize for whomever grasps nettle of restarting large scale social housing (incl for immigrants) and works to improve people's lives

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119497810#Comment_119497810

The Ukraine situation clearly.makes things.much more difficult. But housing situation was a shambles long before the Ukraine situation so relying on Fine Gael to improve it on top of the additional refugees seems like a bizarre idea.

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498313#Comment_119498313

What party doesn't spout out populist bullshit? The amount crap coming from fine gael over the last decade has been comical. "We'll reward people who get up in the morning." By making sure you've no disposable income, brilliant. What a reward!

Housing99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498560#Comment_119498560

It could have been so different. I think they got away with clearing out the work class dockers of Dublin 1 and 2 to create the modern docklands for the cream of transient European high income earners, got no pushback when traditional working class areas like Stoneybatter and the Liberties became the home of the upper middle classes and now when the outer suburbs are out of reach of the working classes who grew up in them the damage has been too far gone.

I doubt 30 years ago many people would have taken the deal of "You can be a rich country and go to college for 5 years and the Canaries for a week once a year, but your children will never be able to live in the communities their families grew up in" as a good compromise

2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498423#Comment_119498423

I am a professional and I works from home. So clearly this does not apply in all cases.

I know many single people that could afford this. I agree that not all can but if those that could afford it did this it would free up more rental hoe a for others.

I applied the above to myself. The very reason I don’t live in a more expensive area is because I can’t afford to. Rather than home the government I bought where I could afford.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498544#Comment_119498544

Other than lining pockets of forgien landlords,I have yet to hear any positive attribute to landlordism?

This leaving it to market to provide housing,has failed,is never going to work,anyone whom still believes it will,their devotion to a failed economic and political ideology is admirable but,at some stage even to emselves must admit it's pointless to keep repeating mistakes of the past and hoping for different outcomes

Housing99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498596#Comment_119498596

If you earn more than me than you earn more than 50% of the work force. If you cannot afford to buy in Dublin on that income we have a major problem and moving to Enniscorty is not the answer

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498400#Comment_119498400

Not taking in 60,000 refugees in the space of a few months for a start.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498538#Comment_119498538

When your grandfather sold his house did he sell it at the price he bought it?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498639#Comment_119498639

It’s a war….the alternative was to let people die

Housing99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498662#Comment_119498662

My grandfather lived in social housing in his home in Crumlin until he died

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498599#Comment_119498599

I think you should mention “foreign landlords” a few times, I guess that works on the likes of twitter to get the outrage going

It doesn’t matter what location a landlord is based in, ireland needs a functioning rental system. The days of small landlords are gone because tenants in ireland wanted the regulations and laws changed. So the only people that it is feasible anymore is large scale landlord that can take rip off tenants to court.

The biggest mistake in the past, which was confirmed after the crash, was the lack of large scale landlords in ireland and we needed to invest in a proper rental system

SuperBowserWorld

Load of empty, half empty office blocks now that people work more from home.

Could be converted to residential accommodation.

Edit ... So instead of company renting 2 floors they could rent 1 floor etc etc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498602#Comment_119498602

Not everyone lives in Dublin you know!!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498678#Comment_119498678

Biggest problems confirmed by the crash was lack of a social housing net,that was masked by cheap credit over the previous decade

Since you are such a fan of large scale landlords,what is the opposition to a single state entity overseeing it?

It's a spiv industry built on human misery propagated by liberals to keep people poor so as to make easier to enforce their rule on the people,only 14 percent of renter's happy to rent,yet we are treated to lemmings and all day everyday spouting nonsense about the need to enforce a rental market onto the populace and demand market participation by all,with the sole intention of exporting money out of the economy,these people offer nothing to the state or any society anywhere

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498694#Comment_119498694

14% go on, tell us how you got this number? 👍

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498181#Comment_119498181

No it doesn't. Weened off being almost entirely dependent on it.

No it wouldn't. The same people build for the Belgian investors would be building for us.

Hopefully, more social and affordable builds lead to less need for buying and leasing. The rate of change would be difficult to put a number on. There was a time were a council only bought a house to use for a tenant if they'd no vacant properties and there'd been a fire or flood. Now its par for the course.

brokenangel

I tried this on other threads but didn’t seem to work as the people on those threads have zero interest in solving the housing crisis

Everyone who is sick of the housing crisis and wants it resolved should be contacting all of their local TD, especially if you support a specific party. They should be telling that TD if they find out they are blocking housing in their area they will automatically lose their vote and of course name as many people

No political party should be blocking housing. If a department of education etc block them on the grounds of not enough schools well then that is valid reasons but it should not be done by parties, especially ones who are only blocking because it is in their interest to make the housing crisis worse.

It would be interesting to see how many people on this thread will even consider contacting the TD, or is this thread like many others, just created to have a pop at a party because someone supports another party and they couldn’t care less about the people wrapped up in the housing crisis

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498232#Comment_119498232

Yes. Its a joke. Seems designed to be dragged out so solicitors can make more money. Its shouldn't take more than a week or so.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498308#Comment_119498308

You forgot the crony stuffed planning board. Tbf, let's pretend you are right, which you're not, if FG and FF combined for near two government terms couldn't solve housing why bother voting for them? Is it a few plucky councillors in every council in every part of the country stopping them? Its not a believable scenario now is it? Take DCC. More FF than any other party. FG has the second most seats. They've the whole government behind them. So DCC's district must be a Shangri la for housing, right? Its not though is it? Why is that, **** government?

2011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498602#Comment_119498602

You are correct moving to Enniscorty is not the answer, but it may be one very small part of the answer. There is no silver bullet. If we ever find a solution it will be made up of many parts. Moving people from cities such as Dublin to far more affordable towns around the country may be part of this.

Like it or not €220k for a high quality home such as the ones I linked to is quite affordable to some, working from home is also an option for quite a few and many people would live very happily in a modern town like that. The more people that take this type of option the more the housing issue in other areas is alleviated.

No government can afford to fund everyone that desires it to live in Dublin, (even if they really, really want to) not even a Sinn Fein promise this (yet!). If this money was there for this we would not be in this mess!

We have a housing emergency, so if we want to start solving it we have to treat it like an emergency. Turning down quality affordable accomidation just because it isn't in one of the most expensive cities in the world does not help solve the housing crisis. Enniscorthy is just one samll example, there are many more.

The solution is a bit more complex than Sinn Fein's simplistic strategy of taxing the rich!

nigeldaniel

...well, we could stop objecting to every development going and maybe stop hounding and demonising developers, that might be a start on fixing the problem. 'Not In My Back Yard' have a lot to say for the problems of a lack of housing. Red tape at the CoCo meeting doesn't help either. Not to mention certain politicians that actually hold up developments in order to damage the government. Can Sf fix the problem... no in a million years. Sf is born and bred to be objectors and demonstrators. Actually fixing problems is not in the training manual.

Irelandsnumberone

Ah lovely a discussion about Sinn Feins tax policies on a thread about can they fix housing.

We cannot discuss a Govt TD in a Govt thread though

Boards never fails

I agree with the Shinners everyone on over 100k should be taxed more.

All TDs wages should also be cut by 50% and no expenses should be allowed. A cap on advisors, no more perks would be a start.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498899#Comment_119498899

It never will be, as I said look at the first post on this thread, they are not even in government and you are starting to see it all over the web. The excuses to why SF wont be able to fix anything if they get into government. The laughable thing is they think polls are an actual election

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498806#Comment_119498806

That still leaves you with a % to split between renting and buying then, with less available due to paying crazy amounts to state workers on state pensions to start building instead.

Those who are currently building for the Belgian investors will be charging the state a lot more for the same job as there is no need to be efficient, unless you are planning on putting in performance based pay for state workers (are you?).

I'm sorry, but you're still spinning a complete fairy story.

y0ssar1an22

What would/can sinn fein do differently?

Build more, no more free houses and allow evictions.

Easy

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498538#Comment_119498538

...and don't forget a few weeks back all the FF/FG lads were bragging about the billions in surplus and that was a week after Micheal found 3bn in his arse pocket for refugees.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498899#Comment_119498899

All things that would make matters worse.

Most objections are based on them being a not fit for family, purpose builds and a waste of our money. I can get behind most of them.

https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-sinn-fein-objection-6000-houses-5679519-Feb2022/

There are seemingly frivolous ones too:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/not-in-my-back-yard-green-minister-for-community-opposes-public-housing-just-yards-from-his-own-home-41289121.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/two-dublin-tds-back-local-objections-to-113m-housing-scheme-1.4666597

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30806813.html

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498965#Comment_119498965

Facts don't matter. Its them Shinners that have cause this crisis

From Gerry Adams to Mary Lou, they have left the country with a housing crisis before they even got into Govt

A remarkable achievement alls things considering