Young voters' view of the Troubles on the island of Ireland.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755564#Comment_119755564

Stopping them from what?

What did the PIRA stop the RUC officers and British military from doing?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755725#Comment_119755725

Attacking communities, aiding Loyalists paramilitaries, being a general nuisance and threat to people.

Everything in life is not always so negative, try looking at things with a bright eye and positive outlook.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755739#Comment_119755739

Attacking communities? What did the RUC do? Bomb housing estates? Launch missiles at churches? Did the PIRA stop them from that?

The biggest supporters of the PIRA during their terrorist campaign were the local criminals, they were delighted that the RUC were prevented from being a general nuisance and threat to decent ordinary criminals. The child and women abusers loved it too, as the PIRA turned a blind eye to the hardmen and the RUC couldn't go into the no-go areas.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755763#Comment_119755763

They bombed bars, helped their colleagues in the Loyalists paramilitaries target people.

Justice was meted out to many of them, not enough but that's the world we live in. We accept it and move on.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755535#Comment_119755535

no it's the truth, you are just unable to deal with it.

SF are a political party, if they are an organised gang as you claim then the gardai would be currently trying to dismantle them, of course if you have evidence for the claim then report it to the gardai so they can investigate and dismantle the organised criminal gang.

only some of those killed by the PIRA were innocent and you won't find anyone condoning those killings as 99% of people don't want to see innocent people harmed or killed including prowd republicans.

the fact is this could all have been avoided if britain acted like a grown up country in dealing with northern ireland, they didn't and the IRA resurged.

all in the name of god, queen and the empire of course.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755725#Comment_119755725

they stopped them from running riot and committing genocide.

which the british military absolutely would have done so.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755861#Comment_119755861

Delusional nonsense.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755790#Comment_119755790

The PIRA did more damage to their own communities than any of the outside agencies. That is one of the most uncomfortable facts of their campaign that their supporters refuse to acknowledge.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755564#Comment_119755564

legit targets you mean like ? lol

Bono recalls threats to family from IRA in forthcoming memoir - Independent.ie

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755852#Comment_119755852

are you even conscious of the propaganda and revisionism or is it just automatic when following party orders ?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755985#Comment_119755985

At least we agree on the RUC and British Soldiers, the blunt reality is that their communities benefitted as well from their removal.

Being a hired gun was an outlet for most of them.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756017#Comment_119756017

why are and were the communities in the north and some parts of the south more afraid of ira murderers than the ruc and brits then

This IRA whitewashing has to stop. They weren't' folk heroes.

At Kingsmill, the IRA stopped a bus, separated the Catholics from the Protestants, and executed the Protestants.

Their crime was being born Protestant.

I hate the IRA just as much as the Paras. More actually - they killed far more people and killed their own.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119754323#Comment_119754323

The PIRA did not give plenty of warnings, that is the truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deal_barracks_bombing

Can you explain to me how bombing a group of kids learning to play music can in any way be deemed a "legitimate target"?

There are no words horrific enough to describe the PIRA.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119755763#Comment_119755763

its like arguing with a child. you really havent a notion and probably cant be blamed for your very naive statements

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756034#Comment_119756034

which areas were these?

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119754445#Comment_119754445

Exactly.

The little Englanders on here would like to have people believe that the IRA sprang up out of nowhere cos a few lads had nothing better to do one afternoon. Whereas the reality is that the IRA would never have come into existence if it wasn't was the terrible conditions that people were living under. Plus, massacres like "Bloody Sunday" acted like a clarion call for Irish people in the North and it's hardly surprising that their ranks swelled after the likes of that and the subsequent whitewash of those who were guilty.

markodaly

The Irish people who sing 'Up da Ra' are the same people who give out about little Englanders singing 'Rule Britannia' at football matches and the like.

Hard nose nationalists are just that, nationalists.

Maybe we should resurrect some graphic photographs of the aftermath of what the PIRA did to innocent civilians to get people to rethink this. If there was a armed gang going about the place killing women and kids, the young people of today would be shocked and horrified.

Tony EH

Maybe we should resurrect some graphic photographs of the aftermath of what the PIRA did to innocent civilians to get people to rethink this. If there was a armed gang going about the place killing women and kids, the young people of today would be shocked and horrified.

Yeah sure. Both sides can play that game though. 😉

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119757397#Comment_119757397

Hah? You'll be hard pressed to find any ordinary Irish person that will totally loose their mind over any English person signing "rule Britannia" at a football match man

Count Dracula

SF are a political party, if they are an organised gang as you claim then the gardai would be currently trying to dismantle them, of course if you have evidence for the claim then report it to the gardai so they can investigate and dismantle the organised criminal gang.

Hilarious. Former councilor jailed this afternoon for his involvement in the Regency assassination plot which led to the biggest gang feud the state has witnessed.

By denying IRA involvement in organised crime you are basically substantiating your appeasement of their crimes, no one is being fooled by having a posh guy from the southside on the radio every Saturday spouting superlatives about rent prices. No sale here either.

I would have more respect for your comment if it had any truth to it. But don't cod yourself as well, we all know the truth a cairde.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119757417#Comment_119757417

You don't have to be on a side. You can believe both the IRA and the Paras/British Army/loyalist paramilitaries were all bad.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119757579#Comment_119757579

I never said you couldn't.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119757476#Comment_119757476

so individual is jailed for committing a crime, happens all of the time, nothing to do with the IRA.

the fact is SF are a political party, not an organised criminal gang as the poster claims, and the IRA no longer exist so are irrelevant.

so your post is complaining about stuff never said or is completely irrelevant to what i said.

more and more people will vote at the next election for sinn fein, no amount of moaning crying and all else will change that reality.

they have shown they are a credible political party and plenty see it.

you need to get over it and move on.

A lot of people's issue with SF is that they haven't moved on. They celebrate PIRA bombers and shooters and a lot of us find is disgusting.

I can't move on when they haven't.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119758246#Comment_119758246

God couldn't drag you out of the past I'd say.

That's fine. There is a comfort and safety in it for you I guess.

Count Dracula

I am sure the PR may not sit well with the AC at the moment. The optics of a Sinn Féin councilor being exposed as a violent criminal, accessory to the murder of a rival drugs gang member, lying on national radio about it and above all else... being a rat...... Not a good look, would you not agree?

They were forced to expel another member for being a homophobe.

What next?

I can actually get with the argument that at one point in the seventies it may have been necessary to form brigades to protect nationalists, it seems admirable enough. But somewhere between then and now things have nurtured fairly sourly. Robbing a bank for the pension is fairly indicative of what was really going on at that point and still actually is. Green Diesel rings a bell.

Debt collection, taxing street level drug dealers, arming drug gangs.... this list is not exhaustive.

buried

Funny how we are being pushed the narrative that young Irish people are utterly out of control due to a fact that a foreign power was in control of their Island, within the exact same timeframe ownership for a house for themselves is also down to the fact another foreign financial power is currently in control of their Island. Look over there everybody.

Shoog

Northern Irish protestant here, sorry to say that the armed struggle was both inevitable and necessary. The unionist would never have given up control of the little gerrymandered feithdom voluntarily and 10 of thousands would have lived blighted lives as a consequence.

This is irrelevant though because SF have moved on even if many unionists have not.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119758181#Comment_119758181

Ex-Sinn Fein councillor told waterboarding victim ‘he was in IRA’ – The Irish Times

According to the man himself there is very much still a ira and he is in it 😏

while also being a close confidant of the sf party leader (supposedly)

having to drag sf kicking and screaming into the light while loyal party activists like yourself claim there is nothing to see so only helps make the case ya know

Innocent blood is very hard to wash out, as it should be