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Westmeath school gets temporary injunction banning a suspended teacher from it's premises

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    #1022
    Snooker Loopy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587880#Comment_119587880

    So that hypothetical teacher's demands are not within reason. And Mr. Burke's demands are not within reason. And neither are the demands of any teacher to try and publicly humiliate and bully any student by deliberately misgendering them. Which Mr. Burke plainly wanted to do if given the chance. Grand so. Mr. Burke was wrong. Completely wrong. And Mr. Burke's desire to humiliate students is not worth any respect. Glad we agree on that.



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    #1023
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587264#Comment_119587264

    What do you expect from the Express along with the daily fail, it is designed to be read by the easily confused and permanently outraged



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    #1024
    lmao10
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587947#Comment_119587947

    Yup. People who use the word "woke" tend to be not worth listening to in my experience.



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    #1025
    Grayson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119585458#Comment_119585458

    I've never met them but my family live in Westport. Last xmas I was doing some last minute shopping in castlebar and the burkes were on the main street with megaphones chanting about got and singing carols. To be fair, they're not bad singers but they could have really done with lowering the volume a bit. As for the evangalising with megaphones, I wouldn't say they were quiet :D



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    #1026
    Grayson
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    One of thing things I find bizarre is that a lot of the right wing catholic types on twitter are going on about Burkes deeply held religious beliefs.

    He disrupted a religious service. He interrupted other people praying. How would they feel if I interrupted a catholic mass because I disagreed with someone in it or because i disagreed with the church themselves. How can his religious belief trump someone elses?



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    #1027
    xhomelezz
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587925#Comment_119587925

    What if his cellmate is gonna call him a girl... That might trigger some interesting discussion. Thoughts and prayers for the poor guy 😁



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    #1028
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587726#Comment_119587726

    Enoch Burke wasnt actually asked to do anything. He wasnt a teacher of the student in question.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1029
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587925#Comment_119587925

    AGAIN. FFS. These "jokes" that Enoch Burke should be raped in prison are fucked up and shameful.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1030
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587880#Comment_119587880

    And a teacher should have a basic level of respect for their students. Not only did he lack a basic level of respect (so a teacher having a fit about saying "they" is just incredibly dickish), he publicly went on a rant about the student in front of other students. That's a person who's unfit to be a teacher and put the student's well being at risk.


    In other news, the far right are now sharing the school's number. Obviously doesn't help that the story was misreported.



    https://twitter.com/MaiaDunphy/status/1567771357034717184?t=IVKRAh5HjpowuvYDWEYr_A&s=19




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    #1031
    Higgins5473
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588067#Comment_119588067

    Whether he was a direct teacher of the student doesn't matter. Were the school staff as a whole instructed to address this student as xxxxxxx should the occasion arise? Was this discussed during a staff meeting or by other means of communication instructing the staff to do something collectively?



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    #1032
    Boggles
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    So it sounds like the whole thing has been orchestrated by this deplorable family.

    It's not going to happen but the best thing would be ignore them, let the scum bag rot on contempt and don't even report on it.

    Cretinous bullies.



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    #1033
    Cienciano
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588067#Comment_119588067

    Looks like he's the usual idiot that has to go out of his way to claim he's the victim here. In a weird way it's hilarious the mental gymnastics he had to perform to claim he's actually the victim here. He's probably praying he gets beaten up in prison, he'll have won the victim lottery



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    #1034
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588148#Comment_119588148

    Of course it matters. You have lots of people hopping up and down claiming Burke was "forced" into something. Thats simply untrue.

    Enoch Burke could simply have gone to the Principal and said something like- "I dont agree with this and I would like to continue not teaching the student so I dont have to go against my conscience"

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1035
    Dav010
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588168#Comment_119588168

    He also had the option of using his disciplinary meeting as a forum to discuss the school’s policy. Make absolutely no mistake, he knew what the result would be when he sat in his classroom. This charade has worked out exactly as the family envisaged.

    They really are vile. The school now find themselves as a target for hillbilly inbreds.



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    #1036
    Danno
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588067#Comment_119588067

    Is that your opinion or have you solid evidence of this? That he wasn't asked to do anything? Did the school send a memo to all teachers asking them to call the student something different? If the school did send a memo, it should have been stated in it that it wasn't a compulsory direction for all teachers to abide by.

    None of the above excuses Burke's manner of his reaction, specifically the carry on at a school dinner. He was rightfully suspended for that behaviour alone.

    Going forward and for other schools and indeed the wider education system let this incident serve as a note on how to handle things better, i.e...

    Student or parents/guardians can inform the school that student wishes to be called "whatever-da-fook"

    School then informs staff while making it clear that this wish is not a compulsory direction

    Inform student or parents/guardians that school staff have been informed of student's wish and that it isn't compulsory for them to abide by.

    Everybody relevant knows the playing field. Most teachers will probably play the game, an odd one or two won't. Both sides are respected and no hullabaloo is made out of it.



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    #1037
    Brendan Bendar
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    Who is funding this lot is what puzzles me?

    No ‘normal’ family could carry on like this one in this day and age surely.



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    #1038
    Higgins5473
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588168#Comment_119588168

    I was asking a question as much as anything.

    If they were instructed to do something as a group it matters little whether he was a direct teacher of the child.

    If you worked somewhere and management instructed you do something 'if you come in contact with or should the occasion arise' which you fundamentally disagree with and you believe is not your duty to adhere to or fulfil then it is absolutely your right to raise or object to this even if there is very high potential for this never to arise. Whether he was the immediate teacher of the student doesn't matter at all.

    Whether it is his duty to fulfil or adhere to this directive due to his beliefs or his interpretation of what he is required to do is another matter which seems to be a very grey and complicated area which is why everything is where it's at now.



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    #1039
    Danno
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119587918#Comment_119587918

    If student Paddy Murphy, born male shows up to class tomorrow and demands/expects to be called Patricia and teacher McDonald calls the student Patrick, in your eyes the teacher is disrespecting the student, misgendering the student, humiliating the student and even bullying the student.

    No, the teacher isn't any of those things in the case above.


    If student Paddy Murphy, born male shows up to class tomorrow and demands/expects to be called Patrick and teacher McDonald calls the student Patricia, in your eyes the teacher is disrespecting the student, misgendering the student, humiliating the student and even bullying the student.

    Yes, the teacher is any of those things in the case above.


    It's really that simple.



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    #1040
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588178#Comment_119588178

    Thats splitting hairs. Enoch Burke never had to speak to or refer to the student in question because he didnt teach them.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1041
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588195#Comment_119588195

    The occasion wouldnt arise for Enoch Burke because he doesnt teach that student. If he had concerns the occasion would arise he could have come to an arrangement.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1042
    Boggles
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588178#Comment_119588178

    Going forward and for other schools and indeed the wider education system let this incident serve as a note on how to handle things better, i.e...

    I think it should serve as note of cation of more due diligence in the interview process when hiring staff.



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    #1043
    Traumadoc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588014#Comment_119588014

    He probably thinks they are praying to the wrong giant invisible sky fairy , and by interrupting them , he is doing them a favour.



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    #1044
    Annasopra
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588198#Comment_119588198

    If Patrick shows up and requests to be called Patricia and Patricias parents support this but the teacher refuses then this is the teacher showing Patricia complete disrespect and is effectively bullying Patricia.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #1045
    ArmaniJeanss
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588179#Comment_119588179

    They are probably quite a well-off family.

    I suspect their upbringing was reasonably cheap and spartan. They had no school fees, creche fees, university may have been scholarships because of how well they did academically, and almost certainly they weren't being clothed in the latest must-have tweenie fashion, no foreign holidays, no expensive birthday parties, no spending on sports clubs/equipment/socialising, no up-to-date TVs in every room etc.

    It's not what we'd consider a good upbringing, but think how much money we'd all have if we had none of those expenses.



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    #1046
    Silentcorner
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    What happens if a parent refuses to acknowledge the child's gender, could a father or mother or indeed a brother or sister end up in prison for something similar?



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    #1047
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588345#Comment_119588345

    he is in prison because he ignored a court order barring him from the school because of his behaviour. Do you think a child could get a similar court order or are you trying to create a ridiculous hypothetical that you can then demolish and claim victory?



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    #1048
    Fandymo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119584705#Comment_119584705

    Ok. Explain to me in simple terms what gender is, how is it discerned, what are the defining characteristics of it. Educate me.



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    #1049
    ohnonotgmail
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588367#Comment_119588367

    well i would if I thought your request was in any way genuine. judging from your priors posts on the thread it isn't.



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    #1050
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119584915#Comment_119584915

    How? If gender is a real thing there must be some quantifiable way of identifying it.



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    #1051
    Seathrun66
    Registered Users Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588345#Comment_119588345

    He's in jail for contempt of court. He refused to comply with a barring order despite several opportunities offered to him by the judiciary. He's an idiot.



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