2022 NFL season - Regular Season Thread - Picks etc.

collybyrne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119628636#Comment_119628636

If you accept that the "Pro" of the pass play is to potentially preserve a timeout, you also have to accept that the "Con" of the pass play is the increased risk of turnover / sack / holding penalty / loss of yardage etc. You can't just look at the timeout issue in isolation. You also can't ignore the distance to goal and the fact that Beast Mode is right there.

I can understand a team assessing that increased risk and decide based on the situation and resources / options available to them that it's perfectly acceptable and as such the right call to make. I believe Seattle should have looked at that situation and said, hang on a minute lads, we're on the 1-yard line and there's Marshawn Lynch standing there, let's give him the ball.

Utilising the pass play to preserve the timeout can be the right call in many situations, sure. It's my opinion that it absolutely wasn't in that situation. They didn't need to roll the dice against Bellicheck with the options they had available. They could have smashed it in and there likely wouldn't have been a thing he could have done about it. Instead they provided the opportunity for his meticulous preparation to pay off and it did.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119628917#Comment_119628917

I don't completely disagree with you. It's just that if you don't get in there it's unlikely you get a fourth down if you need it.

And the biggest thing of all is that there was pass interference on the play and Butler couldn't have got the ball without it. You never hear anything about that though and pi was a big thing that time.

collybyrne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630389#Comment_119630389

The reason you never hear anything about the PI is because that's only a byproduct of the play call. The problem is the fact that there was ever an opportunity for Butler to do anything in the first place, penalty or no penalty. There was never a need to put Seattle in that situation, but the coaches took the higher risk option thinking about a timeout, instead of thinking about the defensive genius on the other sideline who had prepared for that exact scenario.

Talking about the interception and the PI etc. is just talking about the execution of the play, either great by Butler or poor by Wilson / Lockette / The Refs. That was never the issue at hand and that's not what fed the reaction. The reaction was driven by the decision to ever let that sequence of events come to pass which came from Carroll / Bevell. That's why they got the brunt of the outcry and rightfully so in my opinion.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630468#Comment_119630468

A defensive genius would have prepared to stop the run as well, maybe even strip the ball.

collybyrne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632815#Comment_119632815

They had prepared to stop the run literally the play before and still gave up 5 yards. Seattle had a significant edge there, which again is part of the logic behind my opinion and playing what's in front of your face instead of being cute about preserving timeouts and playing for fourth down from the 1 yard line with Marshawn Lynch in the backfield.

You started this conversation stating your opinion as fact, correct "whatever way you look at it" and so on. Now you're putting out hypothetical scenarios for alternative outcomes which has been my point all along. There is no right answer here, only someone's opinion. No one has the right to denigrate anyone else's thought's on the subject, referring to it as "nonsense" or "stupid" as you did mine.

I've extensively outlined the logic behind my stance and tried as best as I can to rebut the elements of yours that I disagree with. You've just repeated yours ad nauseum without offering any real counter argument to what I've said. Like I said, I read the same articles as you probably did at the time about the logic of passing on second down. I can respect the opinion without agreeing with it.

I love talking about football and enjoy being part of the community here, even if I'm not anything like as active as yourself or some of the other long time contributors. If you're serious about welcoming new comers and encouraging more participation here, maybe ease off on jumping on a light-hearted comment and trying to paint someone as somehow less knowledgeable for having an opinion that disagrees with yours.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119633887#Comment_119633887

My opinion is based on logic, math, common sense and 40 years of watching football. I played it as well but only at an amateur level.

You suggesting it's logical to go for the run on second down is incorrect.

If you put a smiley in the post I would have figured out it was light hearted but it appeared to be a statement of fact.

You seem like a nice guy, I've no problem with you and I'm sorry if you took my comments as saying you were stupid. I'm talking about the media being stupid. These guys have all the time in the world to research things. These guys will use math etc. when it suits them but not when it doesn't suit them.

collybyrne

Once again, your post equates to nothing more than you're right and I'm wrong with no substantial counter to the arguments I've put forth. The logic and math you refer to only considers clock management. Clock management can't be the only consideration in determining this play call, ignoring all of the other elements of the situation I've outlined. If clock management was the be all and end all for coaches then Bellicheck would have called timeout on this exact play. He factored in the all the other elements of the situation and made a call which played out to be the correct one. Carroll didn't.

The light hearted nature of my post was more about suggesting Hackett's call between two tough options in game 1 of the season was the worst call of all time. Off the top of my head I tried to reference what is widely regarded as the worst call in the history of the NFL as a humorous counter. My opinion is that it is certainly down there with the worst I've seen. I'm not a big user of emojis.

Apology accepted. Enjoy the games man. Can't wait for 6pm myself.

tripperman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621125#Comment_119621125

Going to change from Colts to Jaguars in that match up

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119634158#Comment_119634158

A player being picked off on a one yard throw is highly unlikely. It's not more than 1.5% likely to happen. Lynch getting in on a rush is at best 60%.

Do you understand that?

Itssoeasy

The colts D is a mess.

Oat23

Unreal from the Jets. Browns doing Browns things.

Harbaugh has to go. Enough is enough.

adrian522

Jimmy G time in SF by the looks of things

Itssoeasy

What a disaster for the niners. Lance carted off the field.

Oat23

Lance took far too many hits in Chicago last week and tonight his injury is caused by a designed option run. It's like Shanahan was trying to get him killed.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635457#Comment_119635457

That's the problem with QB's who run a lot. There gonna be injuries and of you are lucky they won't be very serious. Unfortunately for Lance that looks serious. I hope it's not but it looked bad.

Niners are lucky they don't didn't trade Jimmy.

Christy42

Worst way to decide the Jimmy vs Trey debate. Also for SF the odds of Jimmy staying healthy the full season are slim but I guess Trey at least got them Jimmy G on a discount.

Running a QB in between the tackles was utter stupidity. Lamar has played intelligently to not get injured taking advantage of space outside as well as the boundary and having room to slide. Any called run through the middle goes to an RB.

Oat23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635505#Comment_119635505

You can be a running QB and be fine but that was just a terrible call and bad decision from Lance. 2 LBs came down into the box right before he decided to keep it so he was never getting successful run out of that.

Oat23

I don't appreciate Nathaniel Hackett once again reminding me of the incompetence I had to watch from the Bears the last 2 years under Matt Nagy.

Itssoeasy

Yes the rams won but **** it did they make it far more difficult than I should’ve been.

Kev8360

wow talk about a game of 2 halves! Raiders could do no wrong in the first half and didnt do a single thing well in the 2nd. Credit the cardinals for the fight back - they deserved that win.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635575#Comment_119635575

You can be lucky but Lamar has missed six games in the last two years, Cam had a nice run but then missed two games in 2018 and his career was over after what happened in 2019. I know he came back and played a season with the Patriots but he wasn't the same player. He's only 33 and he's been done since he was 29. Jalen Hurts has missed four games already in his young career, Kyler Murray missed three games last year, Tagovailoa missed four games the last two years and Daniel Jones has missed something like eight games to this point.

Oat23

Luke Getsy and Nathaniel Hackett are blessed they got to work for Aaron Rodgers. Both of them got promotions after riding his coattails.

Fields will get some garbage time throws but when it actually mattered tonight: 7/9 for 70 yards. 9 pass attempts and one designed rollout is pathetic. 4th and goal at the 1 and Getsy calls a QB run out of the shotgun after Montgomery/Herbert torched them the whole way up the field. You donkey.

Carcharodon

Borderline malpractice by Shanahan, everyone was calling out what was going to happen, it just doesn’t make any sense to treat Lance like a RB, now you have just set Lances career back a year, it just baffles me how he didn’t expect an injury to happen, a conspiracist could make a good argument he wanted Jimmy G cos he didn’t have confidence Lance has it. I understand you want a mobile QB but you want that when plays break down not to draw up running plays every other play for him

I think Jimmy G will do fine, players like him and he is very competent for the most part, having Kittle back will be a big help

Colts look like a bit of a dumpster fire now, not seeing it with them, Raiders somehow find a way to lose again, Cinci off to a very poor start but I think they will get it together, happy to see Salah and the jets today

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119636060#Comment_119636060

Tua isn't a runner by any stretch of the imagination. 9.8 rushing yards per game last season, Baker had 9.6 who himself should have been benched last season to protect that shoulder.

On the other side Stafford is still going at a high level but has been hurt numerous times. More consequently for SF is I think Jimmy has only managed a single season without getting hurt. Burrow again doesn't run much but has missed nearly a full season and at this point I can't see him getting through the season without an injury unfortunately.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119636499#Comment_119636499

How many running QB's did I miss out on?

How many pocket passers did you miss out on?

Xavi6

Great weekend of football, plenty of interesting storylines and good games.

Currently flicking between the MNF games and the Bills are awesome to watch on both sides of the ball. Eagles offense too.

Carcharodon

My god Allen has some arm on him, it’s sensational, makes it look effortless at times

Realt Dearg Sec

I hope Kirk cousins is planning to play like that for the rest of the season.

Optimus Caesar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616031#Comment_119616031

8-8 again.

16-16 for season.

collybyrne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623253#Comment_119623253

10 - 6 takes me to 21 - 11 overall.

Tough week for picks with the Ravens and Browns blowing big leads late on. Some phenomenal play from Tua and Hill in that last quarter though, absolutely amazing stuff. What a start to head coaching for Mike McDaniels, taking out Bellicheck and Harbaugh in his first two games.

Kyler Murray answering the offseason critics with another amazing comeback in LV. I know he's not without his faults but my God his skillset is unique and extraordinary at times. That 2-point conversion will live long in the memory.

As disappointing as the Colts start to life with Matt Ryan has been, it must be a worrying time to be a Bengals fan. I know it's only week 2 and no time for over-reaction but the more you see the more it makes last seasons fairytale look like just that. No sign as yet that their efforts to shore up the O-Line have had any meaningful impact at all.

2 awesome performances from the Bills and the Eagles on MNF. Haven't had much time to digest but the Eagles dominating the Vikings like that is really impressive and reinforces a lot of the early season optimism around them. As for the Bills, they look like an unstoppable force at the minute. The only fear is that it's very early in the season to be peaking and it's not often a team can sustain that level of performance right the way through.

tripperman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621125#Comment_119621125

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119634591#Comment_119634591

9 and 7 this week 17 and 15 in total,

Not bad this week considering some big upsets could have been much worse,

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119640069#Comment_119640069

Favourite for the MVP at this stage, if he doesn't get injured it's his.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119640083#Comment_119640083

He won't because he's only got a one year contract. He'll be looking for a three year deal somewhere and then you'll see him back playing like he did last night consistently.

Kev8360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119621185#Comment_119621185

8-8 for the week - 8-24 on the year. That was a rough week - some wild finishes really made that one a week to forget.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119622613#Comment_119622613

8-8 again so 16-16 after two weeks.

paulie21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620956#Comment_119620956

10-6 takes me to 17-15 after week 2

Paleface

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119622008#Comment_119622008

10 - 6 which brings me to 19 - 13 overall

paulie21

Week 3

Thursday Night 1.20am

Steelers @ Browns

Sunday 6pm

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Sunday 9.25pm

Jaguars @ Chargers (9.05pm)

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

Sunday Night 1.20am

49ers @ Broncos

Monday Night 1.15am

Cowboys @ Giants

Carcharodon

12-4 this week, pretty happy with that, 19 and 13 overall.

Thursday night game is meh game, could be ugly I think, would fancy the Browns to get it done at home

al87987

9-7 both weeks for 18-14 start

Week 3

Thursday Night 1.20am

Steelers @ Browns - Browns

Sunday 6pm

Ravens @ Patriots - Ravens

Texans @ Bears - Bears

Raiders @ Titans - Titans

Chiefs @ Colts - Chiefs

Bills @ Dolphins - Bills

Lions @ Vikings - Vikings

Bengals @ Jets - Bengals

Eagles @ Commanders - Eagles

Saints @ Panthers - Saints

Sunday 9.25pm

Jaguars @ Chargers (9.05pm) - Chargers, If Herbert is ruled out, I'll go jags

Rams @ Cardinals - Rams

Falcons @ Seahawks - Falcons

Packers @ Buccaneers - Packers

Sunday Night 1.20am

49ers @ Broncos - 49ers

Monday Night 1.15am

Cowboys @ Giants - Giants

ChampagneFever

9-7 last week. 13-19 overall.

Week 3

Thursday Night 1.20am

Steelers @ Browns

Sunday 6pm

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Sunday 9.25pm

Jaguars @ Chargers (9.05pm)

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

Sunday Night 1.20am

49ers @ Broncos

Monday Night 1.15am

Cowboys @ Giants

Kev8360

8-24 so far -

Week 3

Thursday Night

Steelers @ Browns

Sunday

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Jaguars @ Chargers

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

Sunday Night

49ers @ Broncos

Monday Night

Cowboys @ Giants

adrian522

17-15

Steelers @ Browns

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Jaguars @ Chargers

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

49ers @ Broncos

Cowboys @ Giants

Optimus Caesar

Week 3

Steelers @ Browns

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Jaguars @ Chargers

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

49ers @ Broncos

Cowboys @ Giants

Paleface

19 - 13 overall

Week 3

Steelers @ Browns

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Jaguars @ Chargers

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

49ers @ Broncos

Cowboys @ Giants

paulie21

17-15

Steelers @ Browns

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Jaguars @ Chargers

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

49ers @ Broncos

Cowboys @ Giants

collybyrne

21 - 11 coming in:

Steelers @ Browns

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Jaguars @ Chargers

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

49ers @ Broncos

Cowboys @ Giants

cosatron

10-6 last week, 17-15 for the year

Steelers @ Browns

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Jaguars @ Chargers

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

49ers @ Broncos

Cowboys @ Giants

Itssoeasy

16-16 after two weeks

Week 3

Thursday Night 1.20am

Steelers @ Browns 

Sunday 6pm

Ravens @ Patriots 

Texans @ Bears 

Raiders @ Titans 

Chiefs @  Colts

Bills @ Dolphins 

Lions @ Vikings 

Bengals @ Jets 

Eagles @ Commanders 

Saints @ Panthers 

Sunday 9.25pm

Jaguars @ Chargers (9.05pm)

Rams @ Cardinals 

Falcons @ Seahawks 

Packers @ Buccaneers 

Sunday Night 1.20am

49ers @ Broncos 

Monday Night 1.15am

Cowboys @ Giants

tripperman

Week 3

Thursday Night 1.20am

Steelers @ Browns

Sunday 6pm

Ravens @ Patriots

Texans @ Bears

Raiders @ Titans

Chiefs @ Colts

Bills @ Dolphins

Lions @ Vikings

Bengals @ Jets

Eagles @ Commanders

Saints @ Panthers

Sunday 9.25pm

Jaguars @ Chargers (9.05pm)

Rams @ Cardinals

Falcons @ Seahawks

Packers @ Buccaneers

Sunday Night 1.20am

49ers @ Broncos

Monday Night 1.15am

Cowboys @ Giants

17 and 15