Objective view on Vladimir Putin?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119606412#Comment_119606412

Is your Russian/English translations not working

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119598769#Comment_119598769

Do you think Finland should be allowed to join NATO?

If not, why not? and is it still really an independent country?

Joining NATO certainly does not necessarily imply hosting nuclear weapons, btw...

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119599543#Comment_119599543

It's very reminiscent of somebody...

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119596345#Comment_119596345

can you explain?

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588030#Comment_119588030

Including strangling a dog (which he was given to look after) to death in order to gain membership of the KGB.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609975#Comment_119609975

If you mean our blonde haired buffoon from across the pond ? Yes. Only difference being that Putin had ( and still has) literally the power of Life or Death over people. Imagine Boris having that !!! ( or better still, don't....it does not bear thinking about.)

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119610878#Comment_119610878

That was a stunt that the Germans used for SS recruits , final test after training to prove their loyalty to Hitler. Didn't think that the Russians used too, and I knew plenty of Russian soldiers when I was there, but never heard them mention it.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119610971#Comment_119610971

Think 1930's 🙄

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119610595#Comment_119610595

Do I really have to...? It was (obviously) about this:

His macho PR stuff was great in the day put him streets ahead in PR than other leaders.

Not to Western eyes. All very heavy-handed and verging on the rather silly, especially that topless on a horse stuff. But if you were already a fully paid-up member of the anti-everything-Western brigade then you might have convinced yourself otherwise.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119611075#Comment_119611075

It says a lot about you if a person showing off rugged outdoor pursuits , martial arts and gym stuff elicits your distain. if you think testosterone fueled fun is a bad thing, then we live on different sides of whatever the divide is.

I've no idea of this defined "western view" that you speak of....it sounds horrendous if such craic is frowned upon.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612207#Comment_119612207

He's had himself photographed riding bare-chested on horseback. That is going to elicit disdain from a normal (Western European) person.

I don't know how well it plays with Nigerians, Indians, Singaporeans etc but come on, that is cringe in our culture.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612280#Comment_119612280

photoshopped ? seriously i never heard that .... and google machine doesn't bring this up (no i didn't look at page 10 of the results _

i'm not sure of your claim is accurate

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612207#Comment_119612207

The little shïte wouldn’t last 10 minutes in a Galway Junior C club hurling match.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612679#Comment_119612679

LOL.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612314#Comment_119612314

No I wrote "photographed". He's a poseur is what I'm saying.

This is Mussolini-tier stuff, posing as a 'strongman'.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612207#Comment_119612207

I'm only surprised you didn't use the words "alpha male" 🙄

Russia is only so obsessed with appearing strong because in reality it is so weak. Ukraine is where Putin's fantasy meets cold hard reality.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612715#Comment_119612715

sorry i misread... apologies.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119612928#Comment_119612928

sorry to disappoint , on the alpha male thing just not a word I use not sure the meaning as in the different distinctions ...never looked into it.

Russia being "so weak" is a bold claim by many measures they are not - so i'm unsure what measure you use to determine weakness but by all means hold that view.

archer22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119611034#Comment_119611034

Utter baloney!...the NAZI's loved Animals,and brought in more Animal rights legislation than any other government in history.

Hitler especially loved Dogs and was a vegetarian.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119610878#Comment_119610878

Apocryphal!

First seen in the early 1960's in Armageddon: A Novel of Berlin by Leon Uris who claimed that the SS used to do it.

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jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119611075#Comment_119611075

Oh the bare back riding stunt went down big in Russia....they are big into all the manly sports,,,wrestling is another one, as is gymnastics. In fact any pastime that could be carried out by the masses ( throwback to the communist times )without costing much money, was not only encouraged, but actively pushed. Another pastime was chess ( again something that cost little or nothing) Any park or even street worthy of the name would have several games on the go at any given time. A bare back Putin showing off his abs, made the Russian Ladies swoon, ( Possibly some males as well, but under the circumstances, they would be swooning in private) Nope, in Russia it worked as it was meant to do.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613973#Comment_119613973

So Hitler loved dogs and was a vegetarian...I'd say that these were the only positive points he had. Unfortunately, he treated his fellow human beings appallingly different, millions of them, in fact. Or did his vegetarianism forbid the weekly slaughter of millions of cattle, sheep and pigs? Like all other monsters of his ilk, the public persona he presented was completely different to what he actually was. But if the SS deemed it necessary that as a final test of their loyalty, recruits who had each been given an Alsatian pup at the start of the training, under orders had to kill the grown dog several months later to pass, do you think that Hitler would interfere with SS training? If the recruit could not bring himself to kill the dog, when ordered, how could he be considered 100% loyal to Hitler?

archer22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119615004#Comment_119615004

Give it over, your yarn about the SS killing Dogs is a complete load of skutter...just because you have been conditioned to believe such garbage doesn't make it true.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616281#Comment_119616281

Another poster on here mentioned Leon Uris as the source of this information, and that's where I got it too. Maybe you should contact him about it, or read the book? And my other comments about Hitler and the Nazi's were all "skutter" too? ( your words..)

archer22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616359#Comment_119616359

Never heard of "Leon Uris" and have no idea who the clown is nor do I care, and I most certainly won't waste my money on his book.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616418#Comment_119616418

Up to you, but you can google how the Nazis used dogs to kill in the concentration camps. Makes for horrific reading, if you have the stomach for it. So much for Hitler and his Nazi's love of animals. These dogs were killed by the Americans as being accessories to murder in the camps, they were so well trained to kill.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616418#Comment_119616418

A writer of historical fiction, so how much of any book is historical and how much is fiction is anyone's guess I suppose (unless you're a historian)

Wikipedia:

At age six, Uris reportedly wrote an operetta inspired by the death of his dog. 

Hmmmm.

Also Waffen-SS recruitment was almost a million men in total (And long before the end of the war they started recruiting non-Germans and even non-"Aryans" into what was supposed to be their force of elite "racial soldiers") - so if they couldn't get enough men where TF were they going to get all the dogs and food for them from, when food supplies and civilian rations were dwindling rapidly? When dogs were needed for actual military purposes why would they be raising them in vast numbers only to kill them before they became adult?

It's a tall tale and doesn't add up.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613210#Comment_119613210

Not being able to defeat a country a fraction of its size with a fraction of its military looks pretty damn weak to me

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613210#Comment_119613210

You're unsure of the phrase alpha male? Are you sure you're not using a bad english-russian translator?

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616613#Comment_119616613

no.

perhaps you didnt read what I wrote - I said "not sure the meaning as in the different distinctions ...never looked into it."

the "OTHER" distinctions as in the other types of male they claim exist beyond alpha - like sigma or beta.

I've no idea what they mean well I've an idea of beta based on internet insults...but you get the point.

I'd never use alpha without knowing the others - i'd hate to mis-personality type somebody ....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119616613#Comment_119616613

well we'll see.... you could say it's not really ukraines military though.... cos it's not.

Not that I want Russia to win , I'd rather they stopped fighting asap.

a poor choice of measure all the same....much better out there.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588126#Comment_119588126

But how? He failed at the most important responsibility of his job... to improve the quality of life of the Russian people. Since he took over power he made Russia a very poor country. A phenomenal amount of Russians emigrate each year and the country has a forever falling population. He might have a mysterious demeanour, and people mistake that as him being smart. Being being stubborn and having contempt for others does not equate to intelligence. He has failed his country in every way. He was even stupid enough to think propaganda and mind control could work - with the internet - in the 21st century. He thought that his own citizens were so stupid that they would believe that there were nazis in the Ukraine!

I'd have been more inclined to say that, bad and all as your average western politician is, that "you got to admit" that Putin is more detached from reality than they are! That would have given your comment more likes.

Brid Hegarty

@[Deleted User] ...the yanks don't care about Ukrainians,but are happy to tie Russia up in an endless landwar

Well it suits you to think that. But I don't really think the U.S views Russia as a competitor that it wants to one up. Now maybe it's a bonus, but I doubt it's the main reason. Maybe it was a little bit like that back in the 60s with the space race timeline, but for the most part the U.S has got too many other things going for itself now to enjoy making Russia look bad. Why does the U.S helping Ukraine have to be because of some cynical reason? Why can't it just be because they have the human decency to help out a country in need, like they would for us? Or like they did before in WW2.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119617884#Comment_119617884

a poor choice of measure all the same....much better out there.

But you won't tell us what they are. OK.

Subzero3

He's soft. Or maybe he's big hearted. I don't know. Russia needed him at the time during the late 90s. Now they need someone decisive and not afraid to crack a few skulls.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618330#Comment_119618330

What do you mean by he’s soft?

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618352#Comment_119618352

Look at the cluster f in Ukrianie. Its his fault its a mess. Any other World leader going to war with the means at his disposal would have brought Ukrianie to the table. Look at how decisive Bush was in Iraq and Afghanistan. Brought them to the table or disposed the leader's.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618446#Comment_119618446

No.

handlemaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058262460/objective-view-on-vladimir-putin

Syria ?

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618180#Comment_119618180

If they weren't Nazi's,.aka people with swatikas ect, then what were they? Were the Hitler tattoos fake?

bmc58

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119588007#Comment_119588007

A massive robbing son of a b%tch from his own people and country.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618330#Comment_119618330

Are you calling for yet more atrocities against Ukrainian civilians, is that it?

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618494#Comment_119618494

How is cracking skulls a solution to any of Russia's problems? Hasn't there been enough of that?

As regards the nazis; do you believe whatever people there may or may not have been with a few tattoos (whatever it is you've fallen for), were a threat to Russians citizens in Ukraine? And do you believe that was the real reason Putin invaded? If so, do you think it worked?

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618620#Comment_119618620

I don't think Putin cares much for his people. If he did he would not have started a stupid war on a Democratic peaceful country and basically put Russia back 30 years. He has had more than enough time there to make Russia a great country to make it a powerhouse like China and a Superpower like it was but he has done neither. All Putin cares about is his own power and luxury. Also he has taking over all the media in his country to brainwash the majority of his people to believe what he wants and see what he wants them to see.

The only way back for Russia is for Putin and his cronies to go and some others in power are starting to see that now too.

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618574#Comment_119618574

Wasn't the question.

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618525#Comment_119618525

No, my point is when he needed to be decisive he failed. Any other leader with what he had at his disposal would of got a better outcome for Russia. He was to soft.

Gatling

Been the Hitler fanboi talking about his love for animals, famously lost his testicle to a goat while playing you show me yours and I'll show you mine with a billy goat ....

Animal lover indeed

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618180#Comment_119618180

He doesn’t care because he won’t get to see the downfall of his empire. The world looks very different then.

cj maxx

Typical Russian dictator ala Stalin ( I know he wasn’t Russian ) but they do love a hard man in charge. It think he’s a psychopath though. The most dangerous man in the world.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119618490#Comment_119618490

Putin did absolutely nothing in Syria that was not to his benefit, ( and I'd be very surprised if it was any different in any of the Country's he supposedly "helped" ) With isis neither did he do anything until isis jihadis bombed a Russia passenger plane taking off from Sharm-el-Sheik, killing all the Russian passengers on board. They did this because of the Nr of Muslim's Putin was bombing in Syria. For the first ( and last ) time ever he attacked isis by bombing fuel convoys leaving isis controlled oilfields in Syria for Turkey. And that was the sole part he played in removing isis. Most of the credit for that goes to the Kurdish Yazidis and the US . Putin has one priority, and one priority only, and that is himself. No matter what Country he is in or what situation, it will always be the same,,, how can I turn this to my advantage? He is a cold calculating barsteward, and for those on here extolling his virtues early in his career....All of that time, he was calculating and manipulating the situation to get him exactly to where he is today. But what really failed him in his invasion, was corruption, pure and simple. After Georgia, he embarked on a massive modernization of the military, spent million's if not billions on it, and what happened to the supposedly 2nd best military in the world after the US? The money was siphoned away, and the results are what we see today.

TimeToShine

It's not as simple as West Good Russia Bad, everyone has an angle - we in the west are fed what we see, BRICS and the arab world are fed a separate story. The US maneuvered Putin into this and will want to stretch the war out for as long as possible, signing tens of billions worth of (way more expensive) natural gas deals as well as military weaponry as everyone ramps up defense spending to 2% of GDP. China also has a vested interest in European gas prices being higher as they the vast majority of the world's solar panels and turbines, and the ramp up of renewables will increase as gas prices increase - but not before we're forced to sign 20 year agreements with all of the US LNG producers who have us over a barrel (no pun intended).

Zelenskyy literally has a US hand up his ass and will continue to say and do what his masters command, nothing but a propaganda mouthpiece. The US never liked the idea of a European Union as a trade bloc and now here we are, taking the brunt of the damage through sky high energy costs, our currency being decimated, and turned into price takers in every energy market for years to come. This hurts all of us as EU citizens.

Putin has lost the war, but there is still no chance the Ukraine can win so the fighting will go on. I fear Putin may be cornered soon and even the most level-headed person can act rash and it only takes one. With Armenia kicking off the Turkish are about to wake up, China-Taiwan is throwing a spanner in the works for the US who have acted, banning AI chip sales is the starting gun for something worse. Scary times.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119620042#Comment_119620042

It is that simple. He started the war, end of. There's so much that's just wrong in this post.