Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119656678#Comment_119656678

I don’t think that you read the whole article. “TAOISEACH MICHEÁL MARTIN has said Ireland would have to assess whether it would be willing to accept Russians who are now fleeing the country. 

German ministers have indicated that people escaping Russia could apply for asylum in Germany after President Vladimir Putin announced what he described as a “partial” conscription across the country earlier this week.”

In my view, if we’re willing to give shelter to Ukrainians fleeing Putin, we could offer asylum to Russians also fleeing Putin. Asylum is different from Temporary Protection. Many countries have given shelter to Irish people down the years.

However, we need overhaul the whole Asylum process, but that discussion is for another thread.

creeper1

No, no absolutely no. What planet are you living on? Seriously. They are bursting at the seams with the Ukrainians and others taking up all the hotels in the country. Some of them in tents and some roughing it on the streets.

It's completely impractical. The answer, this time, must be a firm no.

CeCe12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658634#Comment_119658634

It remains to be seen the stance the Government takes on this. It should be a no but nothing surprises me with them at this stage.

However, neither Micheal or any of his cronies seem to have given any consideration to the resources Ireland currently has available, before announcing "Let's help all the Ukrainians, there can be no limit to numbers".

There on thin ice here. They can't come out and say we have no room for the Russians without admitting we have no room for anybody else. They can't come out and say it would be unfair on the Ukrainians having ignored their own citizens feelings towards the matter.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658634#Comment_119658634

In my view, if we’re willing to give shelter to Ukrainians fleeing Putin, we could offer asylum to Russians also fleeing Putin

We don't really have a choice. If someone makes it here and fits the criteria they allowed apply for asylum.

Whether Russian men dodging the draft would qualify, they technically would.

The question stemmed from the German Justice Minister taking the píss out of Putins "partial mobilisation" tweeting out if you hate Russia you are welcome in Germany. (sic)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658634#Comment_119658634

Mary are you on a different planet really. There is a severe shortage of accommodation, hospital queues getting longer, shortage of bus places. We are struggling to accommodate the Ukrainians here already. Resources are stretched to the absolute limit.

EOQRTL

I'm of the train of thought the government are actually now attempting to destroy the country and you know what we deserve it for just standing by and letting them. They've invited half the planet into our small little island and won't stop until it's completely unrecognisable. What's happening in Sweden and Italy is now badly needed here to put some brakes on this madness before it's too late.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659445#Comment_119659445

They've invited half the planet into our small little island

That's next level hyperbole. 👍️

What's happening in Sweden and Italy is now badly needed here to put some brakes on this madness before it's too late

Sweden if they do manage to form some sort of government will struggle to get anything passed and Italy on average changes government almost every year.

So no we don't need any of that silly fúckery here and anyone calling for it has a pretty remedial view of how important stable governance is.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119658634#Comment_119658634

Ah will you give over with the Irish emigrated , we weren’t given free accommodation and food, medical treatment etc

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659445#Comment_119659445

The great "liberal democracy" that is the EU have essentially said that they'll be coming down hard on Italy if they vote the wrong way too. Much like many terms "democracy" seems to have lost its old meaning, and now seems to mean Neo Liberals getting their own way. Vote the wrong way, and you're an enemy of this supposed democracy and you'll be punished for using your free will to vote how you like.

JP Liz V1

Our government needs to cap a limit on Ukrainians and all other refugees and immigrants, we are a small country and all resources are truly way over their limits, they need to grown a set and start to govern the ROI

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659756#Comment_119659756

Well there's plenty of both kinds actually so your comment is not valid.

CeCe12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659411#Comment_119659411

Latvia have gotten out of it by saying the Russians don't meet their criteria for seeking asylum.

I hope this pushes the Government over the edge and they will finally have to stop taking everyone.

Run Forest Run

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659445#Comment_119659445

We deserve it because we create so many utterly useless leaders. Bad leaders = bad decisions.

After their terrible decisions bankrupted our nation, we should have realised that there is something deeply rotten at the core of our political structures. But instead we just got rid of those particular individuals and moved on.

We never asked big enough questions, so now we are back in another fine mess. And these lemons will keep screwing up over and over again. They will lurch from one crisis to the next, ruining every new generation that comes along.

CeCe12

https://www.thejournal.ie/budget-2023-cost-of-living-energy-price-caps-5875359-Sep2022/

More funding for Ukraine.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659756#Comment_119659756

How is it fascinating that you can't keep up with current affairs? This has been explained several times now, if you don't understand the decision you have only yourself to blame.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659665#Comment_119659665

Ah will you give over with the "we weren't given free accommodation and food, medical treatment, etc." Nor were the people already living in the places we emigrated to.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119634078#Comment_119634078

Seriously?

What qualifications and stats do you have that you confidently make such sweeping statements?

No-one is going to refurbish a derelict house unless it is financially viable. At least some Celtic tiger homes have been exposed to the elements for years - the only feasible remedy for those homes is to demolish and rebuild. That's prohibitively expensive cheap finance notwithstanding..

Why do you assume that none of these homes were built before 1964? Or were you unaware that planning permission only became a requirement then?

Equally, why do you assume that none of them are subject to legal challenges re: access routes or contested inheritances?

I've viewed several...

Finally, what on earth makes you think that private citizens who are paying for their homes (quite side from the fact that they are used as holiday homes by their owners) are under any obligation whatsoever to solve the housing crises? Hint: They're not... The government has an obligation to citizens. Citizens have absolutely no obligation to solve crisis caused by Government mismanagement.

Finally, said "Temporary protection directive" most certainly has an uncappped number of Ukrainian citizens and you have no idea when the war will end, much less how long rebuilding will take, so your " finite end" is A: rather difficult to put a time frame on, and B: Absolutely no consolation whatsoever to those desperately looking for accommodation now!

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659751#Comment_119659751

The great "liberal democracy" that is the EU have essentially said that they'll be coming down hard on Italy if they vote the wrong way too.

Could you provide citation for that?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659809#Comment_119659809

No one is going to force the Baltic states to take in Russians. 😂

Anyway the reality is, Russian paths into the EU are pretty limited.

It will be more a PR exercise to undermine Putin in Moscow than anything else.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660115#Comment_119660115

Seriously? What qualifications and stats do you have for your sweeping statements? Several of us gave you stats. You dismissed them. We told you what you could buy a house for in Donegal. You laughed and said it was impossible. We then pointed you at a list of properties actually sold in Donegal for far cheaper than you'd been claiming. You disappeared.

Refurbishing a derelict house is viable in many cases - sure, case dependent. Local authorities have the ability to do so. Desire to do so... that's more questionable.

Not sure what 1964 has to do with anything.

A house built in the Celtic Tiger era, pre-crash? 2000 to 2007/2008? Not really going to need much refurbishment in a 14 to 22-year-old house, if it was finished.

A house couldn't have been built unless there was access.

Bottom line - derelict houses aside - there were 166,000 vacant houses in the state on the night of the census.

Finally finally, the Temporary Protection Directive is just that - temporary. It has a duration of one year and can be extended for two further periods of six months each.

CeCe12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660139#Comment_119660139

You may find this a laughing matter the absolutely shocking disregard the citizens of our country have faced by our treasonous leaders. Myself and the majority do not agree with your sentiment.

No one can force the baltic states to take in Russians, Guess what no one can force the Republic of Ireland to do so either.

The great people of Ireland took to the streets today and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Your table is ready sir, reservation for one, in denial.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119660427#Comment_119660427

Myself and the majority do not agree with your sentiment.

Oh, you've asked everyone, have you? Or are you going by the most recent poll of everyone in the country - which would be... the 2020 general election? The far-right anti-immigration parties couldn't muster a quota between them in the whole country. You're not a majority. Except in your own head.

The great people of Ireland took to the streets today and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

They took to the streets today to protest the cost of living. Do not for one **** moment try to paint the cost of living protests last week and this as any sort of anti-immigrant protest. It absolutely wasn't.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661219#Comment_119661219

Polls have consistently shown a majority's favour a cap on the number's of Ukrainian people accepted into the country

CeCe12

No Tauren, I have not asked everyone. The sentiment is there and rising.

No, today's protest was cost of living based. The Fuckin Journal tried to slip in "and a home to live in during the war". We where not there to argue anything in "guests" favour. They can go and swing.

Irish citizens (notice I include all citizens regardless of their country of origin) are standing up for each other.

And prey tell Tauren, where would you stand on admitting Russians for asylum in Ireland?

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661255#Comment_119661255

Got a link to any of them? (Caveat - run by reputable polling companies/mainstream media, and not gript, the National Party, Gemma O'Doherty or theliberal.ie)

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661276#Comment_119661276

We where not there to argue anything in "guests" favour. They can go and swing.

They can go and swing? Really? People who've had their home towns and cities shelled by Russia, lost family members to killers and torturers and rapists, and they can "go swing"?

Know this, CeCe12 - you speak for no-one but yourself. Certainly the majority of organisations, bodies and individuals involved in today's protest would find your views reprehensible!

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661287#Comment_119661287

Why are there still Ukrainian refugees coming here when most of Ukraine is untouched and is safe enough for politicians and media to be there?

First, it's a myth that most of Ukraine is untouched. I've a list of attacks on central, southern and western Ukraine I can post (but the "lefty pro-Ukraine mods" don't want me to). Second, you may have missed the news about the mobilisation of another 300,000 Russians - being conscripted to go fight in Ukraine.

CeCe12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661390#Comment_119661390

They can go and swing in regards to the protest today. Every event in Ireland does not have to be in relation to Ukrainians.

The protest today was in relation to the pressure heaped on Every citizen in this country. Every event cannot be hijacked in relation to Ukrainians. They certainly don't know what an energy bill is since landing in Irlanda.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119659411#Comment_119659411

Not for dodging there are Plenty of places have used that Even Ukraine. Are we suggesting taking draft dodger from Ukraine too ?

CeCe12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119661399#Comment_119661399

You have failed to answer my question please?

Where do you stand in relation to admitting Russians fleeing the war?