Was the government right to put no limit on the amount of Ukrainian refugees in Ireland? Read OP

MagicJohn

Poland says it will ask Ukrainian refugees to pay some housing and food costs next year.

The new measures, which are expected to come into effect on March 1, 2023, will apply to Ukrainian refugees who have stayed in the country for more than four months.

The resolution proposes that Ukrainian citizens staying in “collective accommodation centers,” which are government-funded lodgings, be charged for 50 percent of their housing costs, up to $8.83 each day per person, if they stay in Poland for longer than 120 days.

Refugees who stay over 180 days will be charged for 75 percent of their housing costs, up to $13.25 each day per person.

People who cannot work because of a disability, their age, pregnancy or the need to take care of children will be exempt from making these payments, the prime minister’s office said.

(This article also appeared in the New York Times but it's behind a paywall).

https://bigindynews.com/news/poland-says-it-will-ask-ukrainian-refugees-to-pay-some-housing-and-food-costs-next-year/

They really are some pack of dopes here!

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119948660#Comment_119948660

So the first use-case I mentioned, then. The Hilton Dublin Airport isn't too far away. Nor is the Carlton, and it's closer again to the airport. If you like the area (!), the Clayton is literally a stone's throw away. There are many more hotels in the area. And of course the AirBnBs.

In other words, as someone about to fly out from Dublin Airport, you have literally dozens of options. You'd still be in a clean, bright, modern and comfortable hotel of your choice (even if the decor is a couple of years old, as opposed to a couple of months). That's in contrast to the people with no choice as to where they stay, seeing as they're refugees fleeing a war. Bit of perspective, like.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119948898#Comment_119948898

Because Justice are in charge of the borders, immigration, and residency.

Strumms

A temporary protection directive we were told / sold, has now formally become…..

“Ukrainian refugees should have ‘pathway’ to Irish citizenship”

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/01/16/ukrainian-refugees-should-have-pathway-to-permanency-in-ireland-says-minister/

As on record I predicted numerous times, an amnesty / citizenship would be called for… but in addition not only for those here, now for those yet to arrive..

the fact that ‘our’ minister of state has come out with this…. Totally at odds with the majority of citizens/taxpayers here….

We have been lied to, that is a fact….’temporary’….. no, never was going to be from the outset.

Coolcormack1979

The greens really are a dangerous group/cult.but us fecking idiots who get up and work are to take all this and shut up

Jackiebt

How predicable this was, no cap and a path to citizenship is insanity.

Backstreet Moyes

Another so called far right conspiracy theory becoming reality.

John Doe1

Who in their right mind seeing the extreme housing crisis/homelessness crisis/hospital bed crisis etc. would set incentives for tens of thousands of people to settle here in a short period of time?

Why are we allowing people from Albania and Georgia into our country as refugees?

Why are we letting in thousands of people into our country who lose their passport between getting off the airplane and border control?

Why are there so many single men of fighting age being let in?

Why are there so many people of obviously non-ukrainian background being let in as Ukrainian refugees?

Why are the refugees given such good financial benefits, surely a food and bed is all a refugee needs?

Why should a small country on the edge of Europe with no ability to accommodate have to bear such a disproportionate responsibility to house these people?

We are being led by either idiots or quislings.

Wibbs

The cynic in me might suggest that in the rush to pad out our population for future pensions and keeping the consumer economy going it's felt that giving Ukrainians the faster path to citizenship will go over better and work out easier in the long run because they're European and the more local shade of human so more likely to fit in, thereby avoiding the issues we see elsewhere with those who don't so much. Or to put it another way; imagine this headline, but instead with over 100,000 Syrians or Somali getting automatic citizenship and the reaction that would get. As I say, that's the cynic in me.

Backstreet Moyes

When the war is over and the husbands come over to live with there wife and kids where do we put them.

Are we going to put them in hotel rooms forever because we don't have houses for them.

We don't have enough resources for people with mental health issues in ireland as it is.

How are we going to support anyone with ptsd from the war.

We simply can't support this no matter how much we want to.

Absolute Zero

I'm glad we are taking 70,000 + Doctors / engineers and not 70,000 gopniks, babushkas and welfare spongers. We must give them citizenship asap.

It would be a great asset to have these Doctors and Engineers now working in our crumbling health system and building our society, I mean we could soon replicate Ukraine for it's low corruption scores. It's a multicultural utopia in Ireland we will lead the way where Sweden and London failed.

Run Forest Run

We're far too slow to react as a nation.

Unfortunately, there are still too many people asleep in this country. Or easy prey for the people who like to gaslight them, and shame them into accepting this nonsense. We'll be dealing the ramifications of these loony policies for decades, so your children will bare the brunt of it.

And the politicians? Sure they'll just ride off into the sunset when they've served their time in office... no consequences for them.

Beasty

Threads merged and threadbans carry over

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120118742#Comment_120118742

Unfortunately, there are still too many people asleep in this country. Or easy prey for the people who like to gaslight them, and shame them into accepting this nonsense. 

Yup: https://www.independent.ie/news/gardai-probe-overseas-extremist-links-to-far-right-protests-against-asylum-seekers-42291431.html

The playbook is well in effect here, anyway.

daheff

Yes. they are genuine refugees. not economic migrants.

Jackiebt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119102#Comment_120119102

So we are to accept one of the most liberal immigration systems in the EU or we are "Far Right Nutters"?

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120118748#Comment_120118748

Whoever thought this was going to be temporary isn’t living in the real world.

Gives a big middle finger to people who’ve come here legit.

The hoops my missus had to jump through to get residency here was a joke.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119102#Comment_120119102

It's quite damning isn't it?

“They are individuals that coalesce around others with similar outlooks.

“They find each other on social media – they then create a platform with which they communicate with each other.

“We are not unique in facing this problem.

“It is right across Europe and we have learned a lot of lessons from our colleagues across Europe on how to investigate these matters.

“It is our duty to investigate – and it is our duty then to use all means to gather intelligence and information and that is what we are doing.”

Literally every other political group in the world does this, it's basic organisation, yet when some genuinely anti establishment groups do it, it's suddenly sinister and dangerous. All that article does is show us the bias that the political establishment have.

TomTomTim

FFS, further on into the article they literally use the term "sinister"🤣

Commissioner Harris stressed that gardaí were also fully aware of the local background to the protests and “the sinister agenda” involved.

“It is a small, sinister and far-right element – we need to call that out for what it is.”

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119788#Comment_120119788

So you're saying people fleeing Dnipro and Bucha and Kyiv aren't "legit". But your missus is. What was she fleeing?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119833#Comment_120119833

Yes. So his / their position cannot be argued in good faith. Instead accusing people not in agreement / protesting as being ‘far right’. The fûck would he know ? Did he ask them ? Were they carrying banners ? symbols ?

Ohhhh and….. having a ‘sinister agenda..’ haha. People protesting as they get shafted on a scale never before experienced in this state… from and by the state..unreal levels of treason.

that joker Harris should stick to his job, as opposed to making political statements… he’s not paid by the citizens of the state to call out anything, just to do his job, oversee and manage the Gardai…you never heard any of his predecessors in the media making statements like Harris does… fancies himself as a bit of a grandstander, likes being a bit of a ‘personality’, that much is obvious….

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120120682#Comment_120120682

Probably just read the arrest sheet.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/organiser-of-anti-refugee-protests-is-arrested-over-threat-to-burn-down-hotel-42281960.html

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119930#Comment_120119930

That’s not what I said

questioner22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120119833#Comment_120119833

Interesting fact: the old meaning of the word sinister was literally "on the left". https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sinister

I don't subscribe to the left-right thing myself, but since they do, it's extra-silly that they'd use that term.

Geuze

I suggest a generous limit on UKR refugees.

1% of population = 51,000

None to be housed in permanent housing or modular homes until the number of Irish homeless falls to 1,000.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120121184#Comment_120121184

Bollocks, frankly. I've seen legitimate concerns raised by residents in lots of mainstream media, including RTÉ, the Indo, Irish Times and Examiner, with people raising issues around lack of school places, increased waiting times for GP appointments, overcrowding, and so on, including wondering why it seems to be only particular areas that are chosen to host refugees. It's been well reported.

What the far right are doing is holding protests right outside where refugees are staying, accusing them of being rapists, stoking fears by talking about people being "unvetted", falsely claiming they're economic migrants, etc., etc.

Huge difference.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120122563#Comment_120122563

Language evolves.

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120123958#Comment_120123958

Any chance you have a link to the "well-reported" article/s of protesters' concerns in the Irish Times? Thanks

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120124087#Comment_120124087

You know the browser you're using to read this? Open a new tab on it. In the address bar up at the top, type in irishtimes.com and enter your keywords... it's not hard, and in fact it's a useful life skill.

Spanish Eyes

I don't know what you are all worrying about, Sinn Fein will sort all this out when they are in power after the next election.

They have been very vocal about the effect limitless settlement of asylum seekers and Ukraine refugees is having in their "traditional" areas of support. The middle class that SF is courting can take a hike.