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solve the housing problem easily...some solutions?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    No one thing will solve it, but building standards are exceptionally high and there probably is a need for a lesser standard for a home designed to last say 30/40 years.

    People also need to be encouraged out of the main cities and almost enticed by a guarantee to stay at the same place in the queue on a housing list in their preferred area for 24 months if they take an option outside main cities (80% of "homeless" are in the main cities). This does not mean they then have to commute for work and these days of remote working could help here

    Supported housing within cities should have a size limit of 3 beds / 100sqm

    People should be permitted to put a self contained garden room onto their property subject to condition including that no other exempted development has taken place and it can only be used by a family member.

    and modular housing - it can be made off site anywhere in the world and installed in days and is ideal for many people with 30 year+ life span of the buildings.


    But above all, there has to be some way of getting people to move outwards and settle outside the cities (and not having to commute to jobs)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Thats if you can get builders to actually build to the standard. Don't forget the various building scandals, even before mica/pyrite, are still with us. We will be paying for them for ever, even before we pay for mica/pyrite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Absolutely, nowadays it’s heresy to think that someone who has a job is entitled to anything more in terms of service or product than someone who is a welfare dependent, if social housing was built to a much more basic spec , the howls of “ apartheid “ would immediately ring out from media and all of the current opposition in the Dail



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    You’re half right, we need a huge drive and change in attitude towards the view that third level attendance is essential, lads need to do the leaving cert however, eighteen is so much older physically and mentally than sixteen



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    With both mica and pyrite I am not sure how the builder was supposed to know? Pyrite was in the concrete supplied to the site and if you put a load of pyrite concrete and non-concrete side by side nobody could tell the difference.

    Mica blocks according to reports are the exact same

    The manufacturing was the issue, not the builder.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    This is true, the extreme left have too much power in Ireland. I've never been on the dole and I'll never be able to afford a basic spec home myself



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    agreed but builders were still churning out **** apartments and housing estates. Builders substituting cheaper materials to save pennies and leaving buildings unable to get a fire cert. Those people in Kildare whose entire terrace burned to the ground because the attic walls were not fireproofed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭dublin49


    give incentives to older couples to trade down to lesser number of bedrooms .freeing up family homes while matching the older generation with more appropriate housing with less maintenance in their advanced years,I am in that cohort btw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭mojesius


    Government builds social and affordable housing schemes and ceases all other involvement in housing market including: allowing councils to buy private housing stock, HAP, shared ownership,HTB etc.

    Derelict sites/buildings in cities are turned into housing and remove the ridiculous building height limit in city centres.

    Block all foreign vulture funds from buying developments en masse, at least for a few years.

    Build family sized apartments in or close to cities.

    Requirement that new office buildings are paired with building of accomodation, not necessarily in same development but a planning application for offices can only be approved with corresponding building of housing stock for workers within commutable distance. These office developments going up all over Dublin are this decade's ghost estates if they keep building at this rate.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Reed Ripe Gynecologist


    don think it would work unless the other residents were older too



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Reed Ripe Gynecologist


    I would say give companies an incentive to move outside Dublin.

    Dublin is full up, simple as.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Ban council houses and saying the building standards are poor are just some of the crazy thinking some have.

    Lot people cannot pay 50 quid a week on rent. (Even for low paid workers or part time). Doubt going get private or landlords to accept that type money per week to let someone stay and not have them chucked out.

    Every new build is decent size and is warm and cosy, for people who can never afford to buy you wont get that in 98% of the world. What do people expect everyone to have swimming pools and twenty room houses?

    People are also wanting more than they can chew.a 5 bedroom when 2-3 will do putting them under pressure before they set foot in house.

    Recession will help but sadly that hinders in another way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭b v


    Q1: Would they be compensated for the difference in value?

    Q2: If they suddenly have a lump sum due to them downsizing and being compensated for such, if they ever need to avail of government assistance they’ll be “means tested” and have all their money removed, leaving them in a smaller house with all their money gone. When they could have stayed in their bigger house and not be means tested. How do solve that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭b v


    HAP, rent allowance, council houses should be STRICTLY for Irish citizens only. Remove foreigners from lists and tell them they’re their own country’s problem will massively help.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Not sure what planet you're living on. I've friends, 4 living in a one bed. Very very few are looking for five bed in Dublin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Only Irish residents can go on council housing list.

    I know one chap here for 14 years, working continuously and struggling now. He's finally going to apply for rent allowance as his situation has worsened considerably. He's nowhere to go 'home' to. Send him back to sleep on the streets in the country he was born in? That's your idea?

    You must be from Donegal.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭dublin49


    I believe future generations will choose to remove equity from their family homes and trade down due to the inadequacy of defined contribution pensions to provide a decent retirement fund .The current older generation are the last generation that will benefit from defined Benefit pensions which provided a decent standard of living after retirement.There may be some issues around means testing but there is a downside to most solutions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭b v


    After 14 years’ residency and work he should be entitled to Irish citizenship. Apply for it, and if necessary, renounce your former citizenship if your country requires it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭b v


    The public sector still have now and always will have a DB pension.

    Try changing that and it’ll make the London riots look like a minor misunderstanding by comparison.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Get the state to build large scale housing projects again like in the past.

    This time to sort out the shortage of labour, anyone who works on state housing site gets paid cash in hand, no questions asked.

    Half the country would be double jobbing, laying blocks on weekends 🤑



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,519 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It is not as attractive now as it was. Most younger PS on average earnings for a pension would be better off on a defined contribution especially if government gave them similar packages to MNC workers.

    The PRD levy is 20% on earning above 28.5k to 60k. That is about 5% of pay. Most MNC give minimum 1.5 times matching funds up to 16%.

    Take away the OAP ( nearly 13k next year) from a PS pension of 25k and you are left with 12k allowing for the gratuity 75k is a pension fund under 400k in value.

    Younger workers were some down the swanny by unions with regard to pension to preserve entitlements of older workers.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,919 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Lots of Irish emigrants will get coming home when other countries apply that rule.

    Also how do you deal with couples where one is a citizen and one isn't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,919 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Not necessarily.

    Getting it requires documentation that not everyone has. And over €1000, which not everyone can afford.



  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭b v


    Obviously the Irish citizen would be applying on behalf of them and having children together would strengthen the case.

    Besides, freedom of movement in the EU is for work / study and retirement (self sustaining) not swanning around for the best benefits. If you can’t support your own foreign spouse it’s time to send them back home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    You would be surprised. Your friends situation is totally different and funnily would be even worse if changes I argued would be made



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Stop all councils and organisations from purchasing residential property.

    Build lots of bedsits with own bathroom and cooking facilities.

    Move single or cohabiting council tenants out of the 3 and 4 bed properties to the bedsits.

    Move families in need to newly vacated 3 and 4 bedroom properties.

    Ban councils and housing organisations from holding residential properties in private housing estates. Force them to sell this stock.

    Phase out HAP payments over the transition period as these tenants are place into suitable accommodation.

    Give priority to tenants with strong ties in the area, such as local work, or kids in school. Having your mammy next door shouldn’t be a consideration.

    Beside the planning application on every site, place beside it a list of politicians names and their party affiliations and their reason for objecting to planning permission.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,319 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...this would definitely work, and in no way would cause serious social and political upheaval, lets do this!



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Ban all councils from having houses and make sure people pay full rent. That will work alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I suppose there are those who still support the technique of having a kid or two, pretending there is no father and putting their name on the list for a free 3 bed forever home. Doesn't help with our housing situation when working couple can't afford to buy, or rent anywhere in the country. It's madness.

    Stay Free



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  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nah. Won't happen. The last big protesting generation is gone.



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